I think I'd vote 2007 to the finals on Orange Box alone, lol.

Two games on my Top 10 of all time.
Yeah, I'd be curious to wonder what Allen's rationale for 2006 was. I wouldn't put anything with a mainline Zelda release into a wild card match. I get 2005 being there (although I still picked it to beat 2015 afterward).
ZeldaTPLink posted...
I think I'd vote 2007 to the finals on Orange Box alone, lol.

Two games on my Top 10 of all time.


Actually never mind, it loses to Paper Mario.
transience posted...
I don't think those wildcards are ranked or anything.


I'm assuming the bracket wasn't randomized here and Allen had some sort of tiering system in mind when making it.
Ok so how strong is Super Mario Bros 3 in this site again?
Just like many older Contests, R1 is mostly gonna be kinda boring but likely a way to see how users actually vote (taking depth vs just whatever the main 2-3 highlight games are)

Out of all the matches there's probably only like 5-7 at most I really had to take a bit to think about.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Ok so how strong is Super Mario Bros 3 in this site again?


Not as strong as Mario 64.

Pick 1996.
LeonhartFour posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Ok so how strong is Super Mario Bros 3 in this site again?


Not as strong as Mario 64.

Pick 1996.


Actually I'm wondering if it beats MM.
1994 is tricky too.

I recall MGS3 being a beast but 1994 seems more consistent overall.
ZeldaTPLink posted...
1994 is tricky too.

I recall MGS3 being a beast but 1994 seems more consistent overall.


2004 has no shot.

Which makes me sad because of my love for the aforementioned MGS3.
2004 was amazing at the time but hasn't aged very well. Halo 2, Metroid Prime 2, and even San Andreas/WoW aren't nearly as big these days. Only Snake Eater has really stood the test of time.
TTYD and Tales of Symphonia might be the second and third strongest 2004 games now.

also friendly reminder that MGS3 lost to Super Mario RPG

2004 has no chance against a year with FFVI and Super Metroid in it
I'm betting on depth being a thing. That's how I'd vote most of the time. But I'm not sure how those people would think.
Oh I forgot VI = III
HaRRicH 4/14/2017 3:09:12 PM#166
I would laugh so hard if 1979 somehow upset 2009...not betting on it though, no way.

I'm counting on 1985 > 1987 for the same reason I bet on SMB > LoZ in the referenced game contest-polls: the NES was the Mario-system compared to most other Nintendo consoles being more of a Zelda-system. That and historical context has my edge there. Then again though, we might end up with thia weird sentence: "Breath of the Wild is what helped 1987 beat 1985."
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VeryInsane 4/14/2017 3:11:42 PM#168
Just on a brief skim I only picked 2 years that were in the 21st century in the Quarterfinals, with neither winning their match to go onto the Semis

Have 98 > 95 but mainly uncertain on 95 vs. 2001 and the whole third quadrant (Have 91 winning)

Posted this on sticky topic whoops
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Does RE4 beat Wind Waker?
That said, 2005 seems to be way more interesting overall.
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Does RE4 beat Wind Waker?


Yeah, 2003 vs. 2005 is one of the toughest picks for me.

Wind Waker got 46% on FFVI. RE4 lost to SMRPG.

I think 2005 is a more diverse year with SotC, GoW, and Ace Attorney in it.
1995 vs 2001 is pretty though too. Basically it's whether CT can carry a year against a s***ton of popular stuff.
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1995 vs. 2001 is the ultimate test of "will this site vote the '90s over literally anything else" and/or "how much can one game carry an entire year"

I am still not sure
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actually the more I think about it, it feels more like repeating my mistake of picking FFX > CT in the last Games Contest to pick 2001 to win

fitting since it's essentially the same match

I guess the question is if Melee fans will be obsessed over 2001 or not
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HaRRicH 4/14/2017 3:19:15 PM#176
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Hey 1999, you are strong, but you can't compete with the year that gave us game.com


Yeah, that stuck out like a sore thumb -- never heard of it before. I looked it up and it's like if the Game Gear decided it was gonna ditch color.
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1991 vs 1994 is the ultinate test of "do consoles launch matter?"
VeryInsane 4/14/2017 3:21:00 PM#178
LeonhartFour posted...
actually the more I think about it, it feels more like repeating my mistake of picking FFX > CT in the last Games Contest to pick 2001 to win

fitting since it's essentially the same match

I guess the question is if Melee fans will be obsessed over 2001 or not


Yeah this is what made me pick 95

91 vs. 94 is so tough though
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
1991 vs 1994 is the ultinate test of "do consoles launch matter?"


Well, Mario World is the strongest game from either year. Dunno how much that matters.
So Link vs Cloud in the finals?
ZeldaTPLink posted...
So Link vs Cloud in the finals?


Link/OoT vs. Cloud/FFVII is what I have, yeah.
VeryInsane 4/14/2017 3:23:31 PM#182
ZeldaTPLink posted...
So Link vs Cloud in the finals?


CT > FF7 IMO

Although I guess it could stumble if there is REMAKE NEWS

(There won't be)
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VeryInsane posted...
Although I guess it could stumble if there is REMAKE NEWS

(There won't be)


Well, this is FFVII's 20th anniversary, so I imagine we'll get something about Remake at some point this year. Who knows when though.
You know this contest isn't that bad, There are a some hard matches.

Of course Round 1 sucks but when doesn't it.
VeryInsane 4/14/2017 3:25:38 PM#185
Yeah I figured but if it's going to be short it's going to be before E3 which is when I would expect news about it.
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I feel like round 1 will probably be the most interesting because we really have no feel for this contest. I think we'll figure out pretty quickly who the powerhouses are, and it'll get more predictable as we go on.
Also, I'm getting a Rivalry Rumble feel from this and getting the sense that there will be virtually no close matches.
Nanis23 4/14/2017 3:29:42 PM#188
BTW 2, we decided not to use the writeups


Ouch
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Actually I'm okay with this contest as long as we get something big in 2018.

Just don't make me wait two years again plz.
transience 4/14/2017 3:42:23 PM#190
I think there are hard matches, but no way to really reason your way through them. the picture and description, or whatever comes along with this, is going to really determine everything.

like

FFX/Melee/MGS2 - probably top 3 or 4 in the contest
FFX/Halo/GTA3 - probably not

or

Metal Gear Solid 3/Half-Life 2/Metroid Prime - pretty good
Halo 2/World of Warcraft/GTA San Andreas - ???
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transience posted...
I just filled out a bracket

it felt weird


I see this is your first post in the contest stats topic since the end of our previous contest. You should really consider posting in the contest stats topics during the offseason.
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WhiteLens 4/14/2017 3:50:05 PM#192
I am HEAVILY banking on the combination of FFX + SSBM to pull 2001 all the way to the finals.

Yes, even against 1997 with FFVII and this being the 20th anniversary of that game.

Still have '98 winning the whole thing, because I have a really hard time seeing that losing outside of a rally.
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transience 4/14/2017 3:52:07 PM#193
actually, I think a reasonable best/worst case scenario might be worthwhile to figure out

1987 best: Zelda/Mega Man/Metroid
1987 worst: Zelda/Punch-Out/Double Dragon

1988 best: Mario 2/Zelda 2/Contra
1988 worst: Mario 2/Simon's Quest/Metal Gear

1989 best: Tetris/Mega Man 2/Super Mario Land
1989 worst: Tetris/TMNT/Altered Beast
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pjbasis 4/14/2017 4:01:04 PM#194
Even in this contest FFVIII is fed to FFVII
pjbasis 4/14/2017 4:13:33 PM#195
ZeldaTPLink posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Ok so how strong is Super Mario Bros 3 in this site again?


Not as strong as Mario 64.

Pick 1996.


Actually I'm wondering if it beats MM.


Yeah I think it's a decent upset pick. MM + FFIX hits very wide, more than SMB3 alone.
Remember MM once beat the entire 21th century combined.
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Actually I'm okay with this contest as long as we get something big in 2018.


I'm okay with this contest as long as it's not the only contest in 2017.
pjbasis posted...
Yeah I think it's a decent upset pick. MM + FFIX hits very wide, more than SMB3 alone.


Well, the "variety" argument was what people used to pick FF over Zelda in the Series Contest...!
Currently filling out my bracket.

It's a shame 1981 was fed to 2006, it could have won against something like 2009/2012.

I'm currently debating whether a strong anchor or a diverse group will be more important...
Congrats to DpObliVion for winning the guru.
transience posted...
yeah 85 vs 87 felt like a rehash

and it's funny because 1987 is very clearly objectively a mile better than 1985 - but Mario 1


1985 vs. 1987 is basically Mario 1 and the iconic nature of the NES vs. 1987 having better depth than 1985

This will be the first match where we'll find out how much depth actually matters, since Mario 1 is stronger than Zelda 1.


charmander6000 posted...
It's a shame 1981 was fed to 2006, it could have won against something like 2009/2012.


1983 has the best chance of making it through the wildcard round, since it faces off against 1989 (one of the weakest NES years).
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