Is anyone else kinda diggin all those retro pixels on the front page?

The bracket isn't even released and I've already f***ed up because I assumed these were four 1v1 matches. I clicked four different years and didn't realize that only my last selection counted. Oops lol
CaptainOfCrush posted...
anyone else kinda diggin all those retro pixels on the front page?

The bracket isn't even released and I've already f***ed up because I assumed these were four 1v1 matches. I clicked four different years and didn't realize that only my last selection counted. Oops lol


I like em.
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Jakyl25 posted...
Good write-ups charmander

Only criticism is the lack of attention to computer games!

Maze War, dnd, Colossal Cave Adventure, and Zork are some major games from the years you wrote about.


I did read about those games, but I went with the safer path and only mentioned games in GameFAQs' database, there were even a few games where GameFAQs and Wikipedia disagreed on the year of release so I completely ignored them as well.
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Jakyl25 4/12/2017 9:38:48 AM#54
Jesse_Custer posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Maze War, dnd, Colossal Cave Adventure, and Zork are some major games from the years you wrote about.


My research showed the release of Zork I in 1980, and I mentioned it in my write-up for that year.


Yeah, commercial release

I guess that kind of needs a ruling?
HaRRicH 4/12/2017 12:56:37 PM#55
So close to the good stuff...!

Didn't expect 1972 to get eliminated here. Oh well.
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So how are people thinking the five-way 1980 - 1984 poll is going to go?
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1981 will likely win; Donkey Kong, Ms. Pac-Man, Frogger and Galaga are all pretty good. Second place will likely be between 1980 and 1983; both years have a strong game (Pac-Man vs. Mario Bros.), but not much else. 1982 has decent depth (Dig Dug, Donkey Kong Jr., Pole Position, Q*Bert), but no true anchor game. 1984 will likely finish last.
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Match pictures for 1980-1984:

https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1980.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1981.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1982.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1983.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1984.jpg

Nanis23 posted...
Luster what is akamaized.net


gamefaqs.akamaized.net is used for all of the image uploads on this site.
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Ms. Pac-Man is from 1981

https://www.gamefaqs.com/arcade/583976-ms-pac-man/data
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Since this contest has been announced, I've felt that 1995 is the biggest wildcard. Chrono Trigger was such a beast last time around, but its supporting cast for that year is very weak - possibly the weakest supporting cast of that decade apart from 1990.

I'd be more pessimistic about its chances if not for the 1995 US launch of the Playstation, which could really swing things. You'd think that would be a perfect combination (the SNES's most classic RPG paired with the emergence of the console which shifted the industry into Sony's hands), but it feels like the PS1 didn't really get rolling until 96-97, so that might factor into it as well.

Honestly, I can see 1995 landing anywhere between #2 and the tail end of the top ten.
Huh, that looks like Zork for 1981. It's either 1980 for the commercial release or earlier.
Jakyl25 4/12/2017 3:31:02 PM#62
For what it's worth, on current collections, Zork's copyright is for 1981

So I have no idea
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Since this contest has been announced, I've felt that 1995 is the biggest wildcard. Chrono Trigger was such a beast last time around, but its supporting cast for that year is very weak - possibly the weakest supporting cast of that decade apart from 1990.

I'd be more pessimistic about its chances if not for the 1995 US launch of the Playstation, which could really swing things. You'd think that would be a perfect combination (the SNES's most classic RPG paired with the emergence of the console which shifted the industry into Sony's hands), but it feels like the PS1 didn't really get rolling until 96-97, so that might factor into it as well.

Honestly, I can see 1995 landing anywhere between #2 and the tail end of the top ten.

I think this where having console releases being mentioned in the year summaries and match pics could be the biggest wildcard. Because the Playstation could be a major factor, but what game from this year would end up on a match pic? The original Twisted Metal? Rayman?

GameFAQs would of course be far more receptive to games like DKC2, Yoshi's Island, Mega Man 7, and EarthBound sharing space with Chrono Trigger.
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Jakyl25 4/12/2017 7:30:43 PM#64
Just put up a pic of everyone's favorite mascot, Polygon Man
Today's poll is literally going to get less votes than yesterday's poll. The final vote totals of this poll were a bit lower than I was expecting, since I thought the poll got off to a slow start because most of the site was caught off-guard when we got the first Vote-In poll. Most of the site was also unaware of this upcoming contest at this point in time (the bracket entry phase hasn't started yet).

The final vote totals for today's poll will end up being slightly below average compared to our average vote totals right now.
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Even though this Vote-In poll wouldn't have caught most of the site off-guard (unlike the poll from yesterday), the early vote totals are only slightly better than yesterday's poll. At the freeze in yesterday's poll, we had 212 votes while today's poll has 230 votes at the freeze.


I also had the first vote in today's poll:

http://i.imgur.com/RAAhW6D.png
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UltimaterializerX 4/12/2017 10:17:18 PM#67
These vote in polls make it obscenely obvious how big the pictures will matter for this contest. 1981 is winning because Donkey Kong is the only thing people recognize.

Meaning 1998 is going to win this contest in laughable fashion unless systems are stronger than characters. If voters have more attachment to a system than a character, I think 1991 can win on the back of the SNES.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
unless systems are stronger than characters.


They aren't.
UltimaterializerX 4/12/2017 10:20:18 PM#69
Do we have any proof of that? I know I love the system I'm playing far more than any character I see.
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the games make the system more than the system makes the games

I don't really care about the year a console launched because it's never the system's best year
Team Rocket Elite 4/12/2017 10:30:46 PM#71
UltimaterializerX posted...
These vote in polls make it obscenely obvious how big the pictures will matter for this contest. 1981 is winning because Donkey Kong is the only thing people recognize.

Meaning 1998 is going to win this contest in laughable fashion unless systems are stronger than characters. If voters have more attachment to a system than a character, I think 1991 can win on the back of the SNES.


Pictures mattering so much is actually a bad thing for 1998. 1998 stomps any other year if the voters actually know which games came out in 1998. But you can interfere with that by sabotaging the match picture. Sabotaging the picture to exclude Ocarina of Time would likely significantly damage its strength. It's one of the ways that 1998 might lose without an outside rally.
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Today's poll might actually end up with lower vote totals than yesterday's poll despite a stronger group of years. Yesterday's poll had 1620 votes at the end of the first hour, while today's poll only has 1414 votes at the end of the first hour.


Poll updates and trend charts from yesterday's Vote-In poll:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mBVsSGeej8UMKcamiuPg8KgSWSDzwcuTaxg2tPXyPnY/pub?gid=1226846922

The trends appear to be very uninteresting. In the actual contest, we'll probably see some matches with actual trends (especially in a hypothetical 1985 vs. 2009 match). The matches with the largest trend differences will be the ones with a 20+ year difference between the 2 entrants in the match.
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UltimaterializerX 4/12/2017 10:54:57 PM#73
Team Rocket Elite posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
These vote in polls make it obscenely obvious how big the pictures will matter for this contest. 1981 is winning because Donkey Kong is the only thing people recognize.

Meaning 1998 is going to win this contest in laughable fashion unless systems are stronger than characters. If voters have more attachment to a system than a character, I think 1991 can win on the back of the SNES.


Pictures mattering so much is actually a bad thing for 1998. 1998 stomps any other year if the voters actually know which games came out in 1998. But you can interfere with that by sabotaging the match picture. Sabotaging the picture to exclude Ocarina of Time would likely significantly damage its strength. It's one of the ways that 1998 might lose without an outside rally.

I'm not going to sabotage, unless "sabotage" means putting a system picture in for relevant years.
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Jakyl25 4/12/2017 10:58:24 PM#74
LeonhartFour posted...
the games make the system more than the system makes the games

I don't really care about the year a console launched because it's never the system's best year


Counterargument: Virtual Boy
Team Rocket Elite 4/12/2017 10:58:26 PM#75
Oh, I meant a general "you", not "you" specifically. Like other people might submit a match picture without OoT. I'm in the group that thinks console releases will help so that's definitely not sabotage to me.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
These vote in polls make it obscenely obvious how big the pictures will matter for this contest. 1981 is winning because Donkey Kong is the only thing people recognize.

Meaning 1998 is going to win this contest in laughable fashion unless systems are stronger than characters. If voters have more attachment to a system than a character, I think 1991 can win on the back of the SNES.



think youre underestimating how well-known and loved the original Donkey Kong is
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LusterSoldier posted...
@creativename

Here are the match pictures from today's Vote-In poll:

https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1973.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1974.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1975.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1976.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1977.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1978.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1979.jpg

You might be interested in adding those to your match picture site. The match pictures for 1980-1984 (tomorrow's poll) have not been uploaded yet.

Oh thanks. I'm actually not home until after this weekend, so I'll add the pics when I get home.
Just so you don't forget, here are the other pictures:

https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1972.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1980.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1981.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1982.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1983.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/1984.jpg

I forgot to post the link to the 1972 match picture in the message you quoted earlier.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
These vote in polls make it obscenely obvious how big the pictures will matter for this contest. 1981 is winning because Donkey Kong is the only thing people recognize.

Meaning 1998 is going to win this contest in laughable fashion unless systems are stronger than characters. If voters have more attachment to a system than a character, I think 1991 can win on the back of the SNES.


Pictures mattering so much is actually a bad thing for 1998. 1998 stomps any other year if the voters actually know which games came out in 1998. But you can interfere with that by sabotaging the match picture. Sabotaging the picture to exclude Ocarina of Time would likely significantly damage its strength. It's one of the ways that 1998 might lose without an outside rally.

I don't think Allen would accept a 1998 pic without OoT, but you're right that pic importance makes the contest much more unpredictable.

Has Allen said yet whether consoles will be included in pics? Given the vote-ins, I'm assuming no?
UltimaterializerX 4/13/2017 1:05:53 AM#80
No reason not to include systems in pictures, given he's mentioned systems every time he's talked about this contest.
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Systems were mentioned in the description that appears when hovering over the match picture. You can see for yourself on this archived page:

http://web.archive.org/web/20170412103001/https://www.gamefaqs.com/

Hovering over the 1972 match picture reveals text that says "Notable 1972 Releases: Pong, Magnavox Odyssey".

Based on this alone, I see no reason why systems wouldn't be allowed in match pictures.
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HaRRicH 4/13/2017 6:31:00 AM#82
LeonhartFour posted...
I don't really care about the year a console launched because it's never the system's best year


2001 has one or maybe two systems that say otherwise.
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Looking at the results for the first time it isn't surprising that 1981 easily won the match. Donkey Kong likely beats everything except Mario Bros. and maybe Pac-Man and it has great depth relatively speaking.

I'm disappointed with 1980's performance, I thought it would keep close with 1983, but Pac-Man is known to get SFF by anything old-school related and that year doesn't have much else. 1984's performance is impressive. I guess Punch-Out!! is recognizable enough and its depth isn't too bad, if you were around back then.
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Rasputin77 4/13/2017 9:33:13 AM#84
I'll bet at least half the people are just looking for their favorite game, and "DERP!"-hitting the button for that year, not taking the entire year into account. But they're humans, so I don't expect much more. ^___^
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pjbasis 4/13/2017 9:38:59 AM#85
HaRRicH posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
I don't really care about the year a console launched because it's never the system's best year


2001 has one or maybe two systems that say otherwise.


Kingdom Hearts didn't come out till 2002
He's talking about the Gamecube (Melee) and Xbox (Halo)
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Between Melee, Pikmin, and Rogue Leader, 2001 may have actually been the GameCube's best year.

It's probably either that or 2002 (Metroid Prime, REMake, Mario Sunshine).
pjbasis 4/13/2017 9:57:53 AM#88
Eternal Darkness was also 2002 so clearly that's the best GCN year.
HaRRicH 4/13/2017 10:24:37 AM#89
2001 also had Luigi's Mansion, but 2002 also had Animal Crossing. SSBM kept the Gamecube relevant through its entire lifespan and is its biggest game here, so I give 2001 the edge...but 2002 could argue it was the Gamecube's biggest year too.

Similar argument for the original Xbox and Halo, except weaker competition against 2001.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Between Melee, Pikmin, and Rogue Leader, 2001 may have actually been the GameCube's best year.

It's probably either that or 2002 (Metroid Prime, REMake, Mario Sunshine).


2002 kills 2001 for GC
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Rasputin77 posted...
I'll bet at least half the people are just looking for their favorite game, and "DERP!"-hitting the button for that year, not taking the entire year into account. But they're humans, so I don't expect much more. ^___^


Probably so.

Plus, people associate systems with eras, not a single year. I associate the SNES with the early to mid '90s, not any particular year.
LeonhartFour posted...
Plus, people associate systems with eras, not a single year. I associate the SNES with the early to mid '90s, not any particular year.

I generally agree, but I think people can be persuaded with a prominent picture or blurb about a system.

"Man, the SNES launched in 91? Start of an era..."

I can easily see a voter thinking that. The weak part of that theory, though, is that it will help years that are already really strong (91, 96, 01). The only years that might be bumped up a tier because of system releases are 95 and 06 imo.
I associate '91 more with Mario World or '96 with Mario 64, which are practically synonymous with those systems anyway, especially Mario 64.
pjbasis 4/13/2017 2:29:21 PM#94
Yeah launch titles are what I think of as markings of era changes, even before the console itself.
Nintendo was pretty good at launching their systems with a strong game, with the exception of the Wii U so any console boost may be hidden from the games released. For example, it's hard to see a large number of people who are SNES fans and don't like Super Mario World.

Sony on the other hand has been terrible for launching their system
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swirIdude 4/13/2017 3:09:25 PM#96
charmander6000 posted...
Nintendo was pretty good at launching their systems with a strong game, with the exception of the Wii U


The 3DS launch was really bad too.
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True, but it did still get Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 before the end of the year (Ocarina of Time 3D too, but that won't be mentioned in this contest).
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ZeldaTPLink 4/13/2017 4:44:20 PM#98
Only on gameFAQs people analyse the early 2000 years by how good the Gamecube games in them were.
UltimaterializerX 4/13/2017 7:26:12 PM#99
SBAllen posted...
Decided not to use the write-ups for the vote-ins, made it look way too busy. Once the matchups are smaller, we'll be sure to include them. Sorry!

I actually enjoyed my 1983/1984 stuff, but this makes sense.

@SBAllen, can you give us picture specs so the guys can get to work?
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UltimaterializerX 4/13/2017 7:26:45 PM#100
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Only on gameFAQs people analyse the early 2000 years by how good the Gamecube games in them were.

This is a site defending the NES Classic.
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