GameFAQs Contests

-LusterSoldier- posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Our stuff tends to start off slow before exploding. Rallies are great for vote totals if nothing else.

This was the lowest poll on day 1 last contest: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6052-best-game-ever-day-1-dragon-quest-viii-vs-persona-3

This was the latest "no rallies" match in that same contest: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6176-best-game-ever-day-40-semifinal-zelda-ocarina-of-time-vs

That's an insane difference. People show up eventually.

That "no rally" match you just mentioned actually had a ton of spillover votes from the previous match as well as Undertale fans waiting a day to vote for their game again, so they were definitely swarming GameFAQs that day.

Fine, then use this poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6174-best-game-ever-day-38-quarterfinal-super-mario-rpg-vs-metal

Still a huge difference.

pjbasis posted...

Ugh DQVIII > P3 was the lowkey worst result of the contest.

and now I just saw MGS3 > MGS1

Forgot how many bad results were in that thing. If it wasn't for the Chrono Cross run I would rather forget the whole thing happened.

pjbasis posted...

and now I just saw MGS3 > MGS1

top 5 contest result all time tbqh

someone find Karma Hunter

you would

it's almost certainly one of the best results in the last several years because we've had a lot of bad match results in the last few contests.

If it means MGS2 can beat MGS1, then you'd have an argument.

UltimaterializerX posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Surskit posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Everything after that is loved only by internet memes and the fanbase.

wait, you mean the pokemon fanbase likes pokemon? this is a revelation.

He's talking about the difference between 'hardcore fanbase' and 'general public'. Same way board 8 cares tons about contests, most of the site doesn't. RBY has general appeal, SuMo appeals more to the core.

Call it the mom test. "Your mom" is the ultimate casual.

Does your mom know who Pikachu is? Probably. Does she know who Mimikyu is? I highly doubt it. Same way your mom knows who Indiana Jones is but probably has no idea who Nathan Drake is.

It works for every form of entertainment. You need the casuals to have a boom period. Your mom probably knows who Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold Steve Austin are. I very much doubt she knows Daniel Bryan or Kenny Omega.

Sadly gaming as whole is no longer mainstream or at the very least it has become so diverse that a single game no longer commands that much attention. After Minecraft what current games would the "average mom" know?

And Minecraft is over 5 years old now.

Besides Pokemon Go

pjbasis posted...

If it means MGS2 can beat MGS1, then you'd have an argument.

spoilers

it doesn't

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6160-best-game-ever-day-31-round-3-metal-gear-solid-2-vs-resident

charmander6000 posted...

Sadly gaming as whole is no longer mainstream or at the very least it has become so diverse that a single game no longer commands that much attention.

Definitely the second one.

Also the mom test probably also has to do with the relationship between gaming and children. Old school icons were really popular among kids so parents would know more about them.

Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto absolutely pass the mom test.

And MGS1 is a s*** game. 3 beating it up was a great result!

100% the latter, gaming is not even close to underground anymore. Esports are literally on ESPN now! And yes, the diversification of the market leads to weaker icons. It's why even Shepard was just a midcarder, compared to our old-school Noble Niners.

charmander6000 posted...

We're about 3000 votes ahead of yesterday's poll putting us on pace at around 23-25k.

Today's poll has been consistently outpacing yesterday's poll in vote totals with no single hour in today's poll getting less votes than the same hour from yesterday's poll. We're almost 3900 votes ahead of yesterday's poll now. I do expect today's poll to lose some ground vs. yesterday's poll when we get near the end of this poll. Yesterday's poll has a vote spike in the final 3 hours, plus we'll be getting the Nintendo Switch presentation at 11:00 PM EST tonight.

charmander6000 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Surskit posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Everything after that is loved only by internet memes and the fanbase.

wait, you mean the pokemon fanbase likes pokemon? this is a revelation.

He's talking about the difference between 'hardcore fanbase' and 'general public'. Same way board 8 cares tons about contests, most of the site doesn't. RBY has general appeal, SuMo appeals more to the core.

Call it the mom test. "Your mom" is the ultimate casual.

Does your mom know who Pikachu is? Probably. Does she know who Mimikyu is? I highly doubt it. Same way your mom knows who Indiana Jones is but probably has no idea who Nathan Drake is.

It works for every form of entertainment. You need the casuals to have a boom period. Your mom probably knows who Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold Steve Austin are. I very much doubt she knows Daniel Bryan or Kenny Omega.

Sadly gaming as whole is no longer mainstream or at the very least it has become so diverse that a single game no longer commands that much attention. After Minecraft what current games would the "average mom" know?

And Minecraft is over 5 years old now.

Besides Pokemon Go

Angry Birds but that's also 2009.

It's nowhere near RBY, but Sun and Moon actually has some casual appeal again. Pokemon GO is probably a very big reason of it, but nonetheless it's true. XY took an approach towards gamers outside of the core fanbase and it paid off, though I personally find them to be the weakest link in the series. Continuing down this road as well as having Pokemon GO to make the franchise a thing in the eyes of non gamers again. It has worked out pretty well for them. The sales of Sun and Moon compared to the past few generations of Pokemon prove this. I work in a Toys R Us in weekends, our sales of merchandise in 2016 boosted far above 1000% of 2015, and that's even though the first half of 2016 probably was no different from 2015, as well as how it took a long time for us to actually get enough merchandise for it to stay on the shelves for more than a day. The same goes for the games. Sun and Moon has done wonders for us. Parents have been buying a Pokemon game in what was clearly the first time. The previous four 3DS Pokemon games has sold better than at their point of release too.

Pokemon is not at all just for the core gamers anymore. You can feel this when playing too, they've taken casuals and core fans alike into consideration.

The Pikachu and Mimikyu comparison doesn't really make sense when Pikachu is still the face of the franchise in the games where Mimikyu appears.

I still remember those days when contests would average over 100k votes... what happened to that?

_Dog posted...

I still remember those days when contests would average over 100k votes... what happened to that?

People stopped going to the frontpage and gamefaqs stopped being the only real game in town.

Pokemon is good for 15 million copies a generation. S&M appears they will do better while Pokemon Go remains one of the top downloadable apps.

If the series isn't considered mainstream today then very little would be.

We've already hit 20000 votes on this poll and we've still got about 5 hours left. I still think we could break 23000 votes on this poll, but it would be just barely if we do.

1000 vote lead GET

Pokemon Go was a 3 week fad that no one cares about anymore. Anyone who didn't sell their Nintendo stock when it peaked after that game's release is a poor investor.

Obviously, but you can say the same thing about any franchise release.

FFXV reaches 53% in this poll. I didn't think it had much of a chance of getting to 53% a few hours ago. The upcoming Nintendo Switch presentation in less than 20 minutes should help FFXV increase its percentage even more.

The vote totals of today's Nintendo Switch poll are even higher than the 1v1 match we had yesterday at the 1 hour mark. We've got 2173 votes at the end of the first hour. It's possible today's poll is frontloaded, so I don't see it going above 21000 votes. I think this poll will be on track to finish between 18000 and 21000 votes.

As expected, the Nintendo Switch presentation clearly had an effect on the vote totals of yesterday's poll. The number of incoming votes dropped off during the presentation, but FFXV didn't really take advantage of this to increase its percentage by a lot. Early in the presentation, FFXV's percentage increased slightly, but then there were 2 updates near the end of the presentation where FFXV's percentage dropped off again. Near the end of the poll, FFXV's percentage went back up again.

I'll work on posting trend charts soon.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Pokemon Go was a 3 week fad that no one cares about anymore. Anyone who didn't sell their Nintendo stock when it peaked after that game's release is a poor investor.

Didn't the stock go down hard the Monday after it launched because investors didn't realize the app wasn't actually developed by Nintendo?

Poll updates and trend charts can be found here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lzOabP-E4RE5dKoVbZX56N0LeBEjBIJqbTckiY5uKmE/pub?gid=432797332

I won't be posting the hourly trend chart in this poll, so you'll have to check them out in the spreadsheet. I will however be posting the time period trend charts for both the 3-way and 1v1 GotY polls.

Time | FFXV | Sun/Moon | UC4 | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 28.80% | 48.40% | 22.80% | 250 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 36.06% | 41.78% | 22.16% | 1697 | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 40.03% | 37.99% | 21.98% | 3812 | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 39.03% | 35.85% | 25.11% | 2393 | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 37.05% | 40.53% | 22.42% | 4999 | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 40.33% | 38.40% | 21.27% | 5271 | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 42.68% | 43.58% | 13.74% | 1565 | (22:00-24:00)

Time | FFXV | Sun/Moon | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 43.51% | 56.49% | 393 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 47.82% | 52.18% | 1993 | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 50.23% | 49.77% | 4332 | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 53.64% | 46.36% | 3106 | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 54.65% | 45.35% | 6714 | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 54.31% | 45.69% | 6229 | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 55.73% | 44.27% | 1116 | (22:00-24:00)

The 3-way poll had much different trends than the 1v1 poll. Other than the board vote, Power Hour, night vote, and SNV, none of the other time periods are consistent between both polls. The biggest difference the 2 polls is FFXV having a fairly weak morning and day vote in the 3-way poll than the 1v1 poll.

FFXV's best time period was the SNV in both polls, but for completely different reasons. In the 3-way poll, the strong SNV for FFXV was driven by a rally push near the end of the poll as it was very close between FFXV and Pokemon, but the strong SNV in the 1v1 poll was the result of natural trends. The Nintendo Switch presentation wasn't even relevant towards FFXV's trends during the SNV in the 1v1 poll.

In the 1v1 poll, the trends after the night vote played out much differently than what happened in the 3-way poll. FFXV went berserk during the morning vote and continued this trend for the rest of the poll. Here were the US percentages at 6:00 AM, 9:00 AM, and 12:00 PM EST:

6:00 AM - FFXV - 48.39%, Pokemon - 51.61%
9:00 AM - FFXV - 50.72%, Pokemon - 49.28%
12:00 PM - FFXV - 52.70%, Pokemon - 47.30%

FFXV gained slightly over 2% just between 6:00 AM and 9:00 AM alone and another 2% from 9:00 AM to 12:00 PM. After 12:00 PM, FFXV gained just slightly more percentage in the US to finish with a final percentage of 52.94%. This change from the US voting base fueled the strong morning and day vote for FFXV, even when Asia's influence over the poll was fading away during the morning and day vote. The US voting base after the start of the morning vote was far different than the voting base during the first few hours of the poll. This same thing also happened in Canada and Mexico too. We've seen this trend before with FFVII, another game that has been known to gain several percentage points in the US during the morning and day vote.

The most surprising thing is the fact this trend change didn't appear in the 3-way GotY poll. I suspect this could have either been from the presence of UC4 affecting FFXV's trends, or Pokemon rallying harder during the 3-way poll compared to the 1v1 poll. If Pokemon rallied harder in the 3-way poll, that could have allowed it to defy the trends in the 3-way poll.

If there's anything that doomed Pokemon Sun/Moon in the 1v1 poll, it was the fact that Pokemon fans would have to rally for 2 straight days just to win the second poll. Pokemon fans were probably too tired to rally for a second straight day after winning the first poll. That's a huge burden to put on a game that was naturally slightly weaker than FFXV.

Higher vote totals and Uncharted 4's votes get redistributed also increased the difficulty of rallying.

Allen really needs to learn to better word his damn polls. Nothing about "I'll wait next year/after a price drop/after more games are out" to fill the gap between "when Mario comes out" and "never".

Normally I wouldn't complain but he does this all the time.

Not_Wylvane posted...

Allen really needs to learn to better word his damn polls. Nothing about "I'll wait next year/after a price drop/after more games are out" to fill the gap between "when Mario comes out" and "never".

Normally I wouldn't complain but he does this all the time.

Should have just added the word "currently" and be done with it

Zelda is almost tripling Super Mario Odyssey in today's poll. Although Zelda could be getting helped out by the fact we've seen a lot more gameplay of that game compared to Super Mario Odyssey.

"Snipperclips - Cut it out, together!" doesn't even have a single vote at the freeze yet.

Gave my vote to Super Mario Odyssey
Still skeptical about Zelda, bigger doesn't always mean better and I learned it from a lot of video games, Twilight Princess included
I don't care how big the overworld is, this is impressive for a few minutes and then it get boring and lead to pointless grinding
As long as the overworld doesn't hurt the dungeons, I am all for it - but it's very unlikely considering how 99% of the footage was about the overworld

Twilight Princess had an overworld with as much content as Ocarina's Hyrule Field, but like five times the size.

I agree this open world craze is getting old, and I'm cautiously skeptical that Nintendo can pull it off with Zelda, but I think it'll at least be entertaining to pointlessly grind.

Zelda almost trippling Mario isn't much different from a contest setting.

The_Ctes posted...

Zelda almost trippling Mario isn't much different from a contest setting.

It depends on what kind of match-up you're dealing with. Link/Mario is just slightly less than a doubling (Link getting roughly 63-65%).

Other Zelda/Mario match-ups could push towards a tripling depending on the games/characters involved.

In terms of hype, Zelda will always crush Mario. Part of it's deliberate, because Nintendo doesn't push Mario games the way they do Zelda games in terms of promotion.

I was talking about games.

The push of promotion with Zelda games is a good argument.

Bump

^ Can't wait for pages more of those.

Bump Stats & Discussion

I loved the "Strongest character that..." because it killed moments like that.

I predict emojis and characters other than ASCII being allowed on this site soon.

n_n

Contest teaser earlier

Anyone you guys want in that hasn't made a contest yet?

Kinda want to see Geralt even though I don't think he'll do that well

Doom Marine.

Obviously Overwatch and Undertale characters, as much as people would hate that (though Undertale characters likely wouldn't be that strong).

Jay Solano deserves a real chance since beating Link isn't so impressive anymore.

e: Oh yeah, let's add more Pokemon too.

I wanna know who the strongest character after Link
Mario or Cloud?
Pokemon?

If it's something to "prevent brigades", I imagine it will be some weird gimmick contest like "worst character ever".

Obviously we need Linkle and Dark Link.

But yeah outside of characters from new games I think we've exhausted our list of viable new characters.

I do want to see a Gen 1 gym leader (Brock or Misty) in action.

I think Snake might be second at this point, although the Konami/Kojima breakup means he likely won't hold it for much longer.

Not_Wylvane posted...

Doom Marine.

Obviously Overwatch and Undertale characters, as much as people would hate that (though Undertale characters likely wouldn't be that strong).

Jay Solano deserves a real chance since beating Link isn't so impressive anymore.

e: Oh yeah, let's add more Pokemon too.

What about more League champions? Garen deserves a chance to run people over

Or Gangplank

Snake is becoming more irrelevant, while Cloud is actually increasing his relevancy.

If it's anywhere near FFVIIR release, my money is on Cloud as the strongest non-Nintendo character.

Yeah I would take Cloud over Snake in a head to head match this time

Mario vs Cloud could be interesting

Snake looked to be 2nd in 2013 but it's probably possible for Mario or Samus to beat him. The MGS series didn't look good in 2015 and you might argue his match against Link wasn't under normal circumstances. MGS becoming less relevant in general is true but there are probably limits to how much that matters at this point on gamefaqs of all places.

I wouldn't even consider Cloud for 2nd strongest conventional character. Him being in Smash 4 may help a bit but his 2013 performance was so bad it made it look like he would cleanly lose to Mega Man 1-on-1. Now, I'd say between Smash 4, the contest not taking place during the Mighty No. 9 kickstarter, and hype/release for the FFVII remake in the future, there are plenty of reasons to think Cloud may not lose to Mega Man. But asking much more than that strikes me as a pretty tall order. I'm not trusting FFVII to pull a major upset until we see evidence it's turned things around - not when trusting it to GET majorly upset has been the correct choice for several years now.