GameFAQs Contests

Red > Vivi > Squall is about as wrong as a result can get.

2013 would have worked out just fine if we had the votals of old. It didn't, so Draven and Pokemon swallowed the contest whole.

I really don't think so. I get why people like stuff like Vivi>Mario, but it took the absolute worst third person in the match, except for like... Samus, that Mario could've asked for to happen. Votals would've helped some times, but it's still a terrible format. Plus, way too often SBAllen decided to just straight up screwing over most characters over by the third entries, except of course for Snake. Samus avoided it mostly, but could've easily suffered as well. I'm sure had another Metroid character had strength, SBAllen would've put said character right there in Samus' division.

And Pokemon almost had the bracket completely designed for them. Mewtwo didn't at first, but then people decided he was a good counter-Draven rally. Pikachu>Sora>Blue was an exception to this, but it's not like Sora is that strong anymore. I always looked at that match as a backup match to make sure Crono gets screwed by Pokemon. Mario had the bracket designed completely against him, having to face major SFF every single round to the finals. And of course a Vivi rally gives Pokemon another major LFF advantage by allowing Red to escape a division with Mario, Ganondorf, Squall and Vivi in it, because of course Vivi prevails when Missingno doesn't. In the end, Pokemon wins by luck, it was ridiculous.
As someone who loves Mega Man though, it was nice that Jigglypuff and Magikarp was fed to X and Mega Man and then see Mega Man against all odds prevail against the ridiculous LFF situations against a Pokemon even.

Or maybe this site just really likes Pokemon as evidenced by the tons of other polls we've seen in the past ten years.

e: You guys really need to learn to let this s*** go. Sure, I was disappointed as everyone else that CT lost in a contest it could've pulled an upset in, but I moved on and embraced the Undertale/Melee match and the rest of the contest. I have characters and games I like that underwhelm, but that's part of the game. It's just getting f***ing boring watching this thread be the same whiny b****fest over and f***ing over with the occasional half-assed Ulti troll. Like, it's at the point where the most interesting discussion that happens here is Luster analyzing yet another random poll that only he has any interest in.

You f***ers are sucking the fun out of discussing online video game popularity polls.

The worst part about Vivi > Mario is that it robbed us of Squall > Mario one round later.

LeonhartFone posted...

The worst part about Vivi > Mario is that it robbed us of Squall > Mario one round later.

Even when Square won in 2013, it lost.

Undertale ruined the 2015 contest. It's a terrible game with an obsessive fanbase.

LeonhartFone posted...

The worst part about Vivi > Mario is that it robbed us of Squall > Mario one round later.

It's pretty much the pattern of all the upsets in the contest. There was always a cooler one coming later.

Like the Snake > Link final

Not_Wylvane posted...

Or maybe this site just really likes Pokemon as evidenced by the tons of other polls we've seen in the past ten years.

e: You guys really need to learn to let this s*** go. Sure, I was disappointed as everyone else that CT lost in a contest it could've pulled an upset in, but I moved on and embraced the Undertale/Melee match and the rest of the contest. I have characters and games I like that underwhelm, but that's part of the game. It's just getting f***ing boring watching this thread be the same whiny b****fest over and f***ing over with the occasional half-assed Ulti troll. Like, it's at the point where the most interesting discussion that happens here is Luster analyzing yet another random poll that only he has any interest in.

You f***ers are sucking the fun out of discussing online video game popularity polls.

Way to miss my point entirely. I love Pokemon. I just explained my issues with the 3-way format.

Bump.

Am I allowed to b**** about Melee/Undertale because it potentially cost me the win?

Without rallying, Chrono Trigger runs over SSBM. With rallying, Undertale destroyed everyone. Expecting only enough rallying so the rallied entries you support win is asking for a bit much.

Big Bob posted...

Am I allowed to b**** about Melee/Undertale because it potentially cost me the win?

Depends if you act like a sore loser. I personally thought it was awesome but everyone knew that already.

I wanted Chrono Trigger to wipe the floor with our elite games, but Melee/Undertale in itself was a fantastic match, although I wish it had been less one-sided. I fully understand being annoyed about the outcome if it cost you the contest.

You are only allowed to feel what Ulti felt about the contest. Otherwise you hate fun or you're a sore loser.

It's just weird that if Mass Effect 3 had just been a tiny bit stronger, the entire contest would have gone differently.

Of course, if the Witcher 3 devs had been paying attention, the bottom half of the bracket could have turned out differently too.

That's true for a lot of matches, though. If the LoL subreddit didn't allow rallies, or if its users ignored the first Draven rally, or if Cloud/Mario 2002 happened one day earlier, or if people didn't find the idea of a Tetris block winning a character popularity contest amusing, or if Monkey Island was a massive success and Guybrush Threepwood became the face of video games today, or...

I sort of wonder how strong people think Undertale was during each round. Which games do people think could have won if they faced Undertale during round 1, 2 or 3? No one is crazy enough to pick against Round 4 and onward Undertale, right?

I think RBY would've won in the previous three rounds., same with Melee. Hell, Melee could've probably won that round 4 match.

Most games in the bracket would have beaten Undertale R1. Part of the reason the rally was even successful was because Mass Effect 3 was a great target to champion an underdog against. Even just Mass Effect 1/2 would've taken care of business there.

Afterwards...if Undertale had faced Super Mario World or something similar in R2, it could've been stopped there. While not as good a target as Mass Effect 3, GameFAQs still didn't really care much about a WRPG like Fallout 3 getting upset. It allowed the momentum to grow larger. If Undertale had faced RBY in R2 I think it gets cleanly beat. After Round 2 though, I think the only thing that would've had a good chance at stopping Undertale in Round 3 is Ocarina of Time itself.

By Round 4, the only real remaining threats were Rallied RBY and Rallied Melee. I think that Round 4 RBY (vs. Undertale) was already stronger than OoT. RBY got almost as many votes in its match as OoT did in the finals, and the finals got 40k more total votes.

Contest was over as soon as ME3 lost.

Yeah, I agree with Leon. Undertale's power was always pretty elastic; if the opponent was stronger, its rally would have gotten stronger as well (since it's both easier and more appealing to rally while you're losing). The strength of the competition would have had to have taken a huge step up to have flipped any result.

Pretty much, look at what happened with Super Mario 64, while Undertale did enough to win it didn't look impressive while doing it.

I think Undertale needed time to take off. It's not like it was pulling Draven-level numbers in Round 2. It was definitely more of a traditional word-of-mouth rally spreading around like L-Block.

Also thinking about it, I'll be bold and predict the strongest new character will be from a game that hasn't even been created yet, and that character will end up winning the entire contest.

Yeah, but Undertale got the perfect first two opponents, which is why it was over after it beat ME3. It only needed two rounds to catch fire, and it got the right two opponents to warm up on.

ME3 was leading by 9k and Undertale still won by a few thousand votes, that's actually more impressive than Link's comeback attempt against Draven, I really, really doubt Oot/RBY/FF7/LttP (Top 4 games on GameFAQs) would have stopped Undertale in the first round.

But ME3 was like THE PERFECT TARGET, as there's a really high hate rate for that game.

Nah, a really, really strong game would have stopped Undertale in round 1 simply because the rally started so late.

Undertale would have been down by a lot more than 9k in Round 1 against something worth more than ME3. Remember that it was already naturally getting 33% against ME3.

First of all, no way Chrono Trigger doesn't at least rank in the top 4 games on gamefaqs. And secondly, yes, they would've easily stopped Undertale in the first round. The comeback was impressive, I'm not arguing against that, but it wouldn't take a much stronger game and thus not a much bigger lead to stop Undertale in round 1.

Actually yeah, CT > LttP, SMW/3, maybe FF7 too. Totally forgot about CT >_>

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spooky96 posted...

Actually yeah, CT > LttP, SMW/3, maybe FF7 too. Totally forgot about CT >_>

And stronger than OoT as well! <_<

I'd pick CT as #4. Don't see it beating OoT, Melee, or RBY (or whatever flavor of the month is being rallied of course) but I think it can beat the likes of FF7 or any of the Mario games now.

So... any idea on what/when the next context might be?

Assuming we ever get another one?

1 on 1, 4 matches a day character contest in 2017? Sure, let's go with that.

Not enough characters. Five-ways, five matches every five hours.

I'm still hoping we get either Game of the 90s or Games 1985-1999.

Now that Ocarina and FF7 aren't the untouchable beasts they used to be, I think it could be as thrilling as Game of the Decade was.

Not_Wylvane posted...

I'd pick CT as #4. Don't see it beating OoT, Melee, or RBY (or whatever flavor of the month is being rallied of course) but I think it can beat the likes of FF7 or any of the Mario games now.

Oh yeah, definitely, I thought he meant GameFAQs strength alone, which would at least make it beat Melee and probably the other two as well.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

I'm still hoping we get either Game of the 90s or Games 1985-1999.

Now that Ocarina and FF7 aren't the untouchable beasts they used to be, I think it could be as thrilling as Game of the Decade was.

The only thing that could really have a shot at knocking off OoT would be CT, and that's if it can retain that level of strength across another contest, which is not a given.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Not_Wylvane posted...

I'd pick CT as #4. Don't see it beating OoT, Melee, or RBY (or whatever flavor of the month is being rallied of course) but I think it can beat the likes of FF7 or any of the Mario games now.

Oh yeah, definitely, I thought he meant GameFAQs strength alone, which would at least make it beat Melee and probably the other two as well.

Problem is I don't see Melee being without its rally strength anymore. That's going to be part of its strength going forward unless it finally loses its fanbase (and considering how long that fanbase has stuck around the game, it's not likely going anytime soon). Similar thing with RBY and its crazy-lasting nostalgia factor.

As for OoT, I still think that CT would've beat OoT in the final of the last contest just from former winner backlash and CT's crazy momentum, but otherwise OoT's going to need a good drop or CT a even bigger boost for it to happen in a future games contest. Still, I do think CT > OoT is more likely than CT beating Melee or RBY in the next games contest, unless reddit finally collapses or something.

I would have bet on CT>OoT....this last contest. No guarantee it stays that strong.

KamikazePotato posted...

I would have bet on CT>OoT....this last contest. No guarantee it stays that strong.

I think it will stay true so long as people continue to consider Zelda winning the contest as the same old, and the site's front page traffic either stagnates or continues to drop. Both of those factors are why I think OoT looked so off for most of the contest.

Meanwhile, Chrono Trigger is so beloved by this site's core audience without the stigma of winning every contest. If votals were to continue to stay at the levels of this year's contest, I have no doubt it could beat Zelda. Now, the interesting factor will be things like the NX or the next mainline Zelda coming, which could make the difference by the time we actually get to another contest, much less anything to do with games.

I almost despair of Link/OOT winning another contest anytime soon. The voters have finally caught on to the fact that Zelda always wins (even though it hasn't won anything in 5 years- see the pattern here FFVII fans?). The bandwagoning, rallying, momentum, whatever it is, all the intangible factors will be set against Zelda until the voters stop treating it as the champion that wins all the time and needs to be dethroned.

I am kind of hopeful with CT because it should be a hard game to rallying/bandwagon against- no one hates CT, and it's never won any contests. I actually would have been interesting in seeing a CT/Undertale semifinal to see what would have happened. I mean, UT couldn't lose that match since CT wouldn't have been able to rally much at all, but my guess is the UT rally would have been a lot smaller than the UT/Melee rally war, with a pretty significant backfire rate due to UT being inspired by CT and SNES RPGs.

Also, I seriously doubt Link or OOT will get another rally like Link got against Draven unless he is set in a similar situation- it's not going to happen against someone well liked and respected. Outside the League of Legends community, Link crushes Draven everywhere, it looked incongruous to external observers that he was losing, like it was because the contest was being invaded. Which, of course, it more or less was.

If Link isn't the hero who will save us from darkness, he's the tyrant who wins every single year. He can only be one or the other. So if we don't need to be saved from his opponent, the rally isn't going to happen.

I think it's also a lot easier to rally for the character Link than the game Ocarina of Time. For long series you always have people within the fanbase that think that particular game is overrated or whatever and don't want to vote for it, whereas people will be relatively united in supporting the series' character.

That will also be a problem for RBY rallies as well. Perhaps they are just vocal instead of large but there does seem to be a section of Pokemon fanbase that takes offense to RBY being the most popular generation.

red sox 777 posted...

. The voters have finally caught on to the fact that Zelda always wins (even though it hasn't won anything in 5 years- see the pattern here FFVII fans?)

The key difference is that Zelda hasn't won in 5 years because we don't have annual contests anymore!

Also CT seemed pretty easy to rally against with Melee.

Zelda lost the last two contests but won the previous five. Really, the only times Zelda in general lost has been to massive rallies, contests specifically designed to keep Link out, and the 2003-04 era where both SE stuff was on steroids and Nintendo characters in general were underperforming.

Of course, Link would've still lost the last character contest due to the format but I doubt anyone would've cared about Snake grabbing a victory after all his post-05 performances.

Its quite simple really, there are 3 possibilities - 1) Link/OoT wins, 2) You design the bracket+format to screw up OoT/Link and 3) Random stuff butchers all entry, including Link.

bump.