GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1262
AxemRedRanger posted... These results look...familiar. Hm, that confirms part of my suspicion. Looks like Gens 3-6 are leeching each other due to modern fans being divided on which of Emerald/Platinum/HGSS/B2W2/etc. is best, while Gens 1 and 2 are more separate. Still kind of scary that Gen 1 actually gained a little percentage despite a new gen in the mix. --- 'I can imagine it's hard for a referee to ref a Miami Heat game. It's hard for me to take that sometimes. I feel like things are kind of swayed.' -Larry Sanders |
Looks
like the Super Bowl Factor is hurting Gen 1 in this poll and helping
out Gen 2 and Gen 3. At 5:35 PM, Gen 1 reached a maximum percentage of
36.98%. Since then, Gen 1 has lost a total of 0.21% so far. If this
trend continues throughout the Super Bowl, Gen 1's final percentage in
this poll should be less than what it had in that 2013 poll. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
And
right when the Super Bowl ended, Gen 1 started going berserk again.
Gen 1 had its best hour of the poll during the same hour the Super Bowl
ended. Anyways, only a few minutes left until the Smash Bros. poll begins. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
SSB4 with the early lead. --- My bracket got smashed by DpObliVion. Congrats to DpObliVion for winning the BGE15 Guru Contest! |
Smash
4 with a really strong early vote so far and threatening Melee for 1st
place here. Brawl is getting wrecked and losing to the original SSB. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
f*** YOU BRAWL <3 --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest Congrats to DpOblivion in the guru! |
SSB and Brawl are nearly tied right now, while a similar battle is taking place between Melee and Smash 4. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
Wonder if Smash 4 would actually beat Melee in 1 v 1 contest match even though Melee is a lot stronger. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Wow Brawl is sucking even worse than I would have guessed --- Ralliers' determination can't even hold a birthday candle to the blazing flame of DpOblivion's winning spirit! |
Melee
really started pulling away in the final minute of the board vote, so I
would expect a large drop off for Smash 4 next update. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
How
does a SSBB vs SSB4 contest match go? SSBB would have had to have
crashed pretty badly to go below SSB4 in the X-Stats. That's pretty
unlikely considering how well GotD stats held up. However, with a poll
result like this, it's hard to believe SSBB would win a direct matchup. --- My bracket got smashed by DpObliVion. Congrats to DpObliVion for winning the BGE15 Guru Contest! |
Hmm,
no large drop off for Smash 4 like I might have expected based on the
final minute of the board vote. Melee dropped in percentage slightly
there while the original SSB rose a bit. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
It was about time, Gamefaqs. 8 years later, you got it right! --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! |
Smash
4 got 34.71% on FFVII in a direct match. Melee is expected to get
about 43% on FFVII after the Undertale/Melee rally spillover is removed.
Based on that, Smash 4 should be expected to get 40.36% on Melee.
Instead, we have Smash 4 currently getting 45.90% on Melee as of the
12:35 AM update. One thing that might be affecting Smash 4's performance here is having the 3DS and Wii U versions combined into one option, allowing it to perform better than expected. It could be possible that Smash 4 performs better in a contest setting if only Allen combined the 3DS and Wii U versions into one option, but only the Wii U version was represented in the contest. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
LordoftheMorons posted... Wow Brawl is sucking even worse than I would have guessed I mean, Brawl is 100% irrelevant with the release of Smash 4 unless you enjoy platforming with floaty physics (and if you do, why?!). Brawl has no redeeming features since Smash 4 fixed all the garbage about the game. --- You felt your sins weighing down on your neck. |
I rooted for Brawl in GotD but now I enjoy seeing it get crushed here. I can go back and play 64 and Melee but I can't see myself playing Brawl when 4 exists. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png My bracket got DP'd |
pjbasis posted... I rooted for Brawl in GotD but now I enjoy seeing it get crushed here. Pretty much this. Boss battle mode was cool, though not that important. I enjoyed the cutscenes of SSE too. Oh, and Ice Climbers I guess. Aside from that, 4 does everything better. --- No matter your determination, you will never be good enough to be both the Last Man Standing and the top Guru in 2015 like DpOblivion! |
Remove
tripping, and SSBB would hold up considerably better today. Add Snake
to SSB4, and SSBB would do much worse today. Add Ice Climbers and Wolf
to SSB4, and SSBB loses maybe three votes..... My guess is SSBB would lose to the original SSB and lose hard against SSBM or SSB4 today. It'll also take a hit in neutral matches, but I don't think it'll show nearly as much as it looks here -- SSBB could still possibly reach the finals if you reran the GotD-contest today. --- DpObliVion wins the contest and fills you with determination. My bracket had a bad time. |
KamikazePotato posted... Wonder if Smash 4 would actually beat Melee in 1 v 1 contest match even though Melee is a lot stronger. I was wondering that too. SSB4 benefits from the Smash-base that moves on like Brawl-voters did in the GotD-contest, plus it fixes Brawl's biggest problems...but Melee's fanbase got to remain dedicated to it an extra generation in protest to Brawl and now they get big stream-numbers too. I'd probably call the GameCube a bigger deal to GameFAQs than the Wii U and 3DS. Melee probably take it since Nintendo today just isn't as big as it was in 2008 or 2001. There would be a lot less protest if Melee lost to SSB4 today though than when it lost to Brawl in 2010. --- DpObliVion wins the contest and fills you with determination. My bracket had a bad time. |
SSB
is outclassed by all of its sequels in quality, but it's not looked
down upon like Brawl's become either. It'd be an interesting match. --- DpObliVion wins the contest and fills you with determination. My bracket had a bad time. |
Brawl
would do fine against the original. The fans of the other two would
support it just fine when they're not there to leech off of it. if SSB
can't beat Brawl in this poll when it's almost certainly the most independent of the four, it's not winning 1-on-1. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Too
bad Brawl wasn't in the contest. Would anyone expect Brawl to be as
strong as it was in 2010? If so this could be our first example of rSFF. It probably isn't. --- Congrats to DpObliVion for winning the guru. |
Brawl is a contender for biggest snub of the contest, would be really interesting to see where it is now. --- No matter your determination, you will never be good enough to be both the Last Man Standing and the top Guru in 2015 like DpOblivion! |
Brawl would easily beat Smash 64 1-on-1. Sure, a lot of the shine's come off Brawl since Smash 4's release, but Smash 64 never had said shine to begin with. Smash wasn't a critical darling or super-popular or outrageously hyped from the beginning; it was Melee that made it so. People don't hate on Smash 64 in intra-series arguments because it's been 100% irrelevant to bring up since it's been considered obsolete pretty much from Melee's release. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO DpObliVion NO PEACE] |
Yeah Smash 64 is way more obsolete than Brawl. Board the platforms is the only thing it has. --- No matter your determination, you will never be good enough to be both the Last Man Standing and the top Guru in 2015 like DpOblivion! |
Does anyone have the adjusted stats? What was Melee suppose to get on Smash 4? --- Congrats to DpObliVion for winning the guru. |
Based on Melee/FFVII registered user stats and Smash 4/FFVII, Melee would get 59.56% on Smash 4. It's a bit above 55% on Smash 5 in the current poll. If you assume LFF is hurting Melee, this result isn't strange at all. Smash 64 fans favoring Melee seems obvious. I assume most of the Brawl voters either haven't played Smash 4 or are going by which game was the most fun for them back when they were really into playing it rather than which is most fun today and since most people who liked Brawl also liked and would have some nostalgia for Melee, I figure Melee would be the second-choice for most Brawl voters. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO DpObliVion NO PEACE] (edited 2/8/2016 1:38:19 PM)report |
Team Rocket Elite posted... How does a SSBB vs SSB4 contest match go? SSBB would have had to have crashed pretty badly to go below SSB4 in the X-Stats. That's pretty unlikely considering how well GotD stats held up. However, with a poll result like this, it's hard to believe SSBB would win a direct matchup. It wouldn't be weird if Brawl really was weaker than it was during GotD. Several games from GotD showed that they have gotten much weaker based on their performances in the last BGE contest, such as Call of Duty 4 and Assassin's Creed II. I think Brawl does perform better against Smash 4 in a direct match-up, but not significantly better to go out and win the match-up. This poll is really brutal towards Brawl, as it is getting leeched on one side by Melee and on the other side by Smash 4. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
Spreadsheets for yesterday's poll: Poll updates - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MIrTFuLZPW2VsC5R0ziE4eZi9XEVusgjlxHlDH0DcZE/pub Trend charts - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MIrTFuLZPW2VsC5R0ziE4eZi9XEVusgjlxHlDH0DcZE/pub?gid=1813006094 The original SSB looked to be the most stable game in terms of trends. Melee's worst time period was the Power Hour and performed best during the ASV and SNV. Brawl sucked during the Power Hour and night vote, but did best during the morning vote. Smash 4 was all Power Hour and night vote and did poorly for the rest of the poll after the morning vote started. X-Stats for yesterday's poll vs. Melee: Super Smash Bros. Melee - 50.00% Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U - 43.92% Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 22.64% Super Smash Bros. - 20.43% As for projections based on contest matches, based on FFVII/Smash 4 and FFVII being worth 57% on Melee, then Melee gets 59.64% on Smash 4. That's close to 4% higher than what Melee got on Smash 4 in yesterday's poll. That difference of nearly 4% could very well be completely blamed on the effects of SFF/LFF that were likely present in yesterday's poll. It does not seem like combining the 3DS and Wii U versions made Smash 4 perform any better compared to having only the Wii U version represented as seen during the last contest. If by some chance Smash 4's performance on Melee in yesterday's poll is an accurate measure of how a 1v1 contest match would look like, this would put Smash 4's strength just slightly below that of Pokemon GSC. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
Now these polls beg the question: Why do newer Nintendo games do so bad?
Why are they unpopular in GameFAQs compared to the older games in the
same series? Try not to let your personal thoughts on the games cloud
your judgement. Take a look at how unpopular Pokemon X/Y is compared to R/B/Y and G/S/C in these polls. Look how poorly Mario Galaxy 2 has done compared to other Mario games. Look at Mario Maker's disaster against FE: Awakening, which itself along with Xenoblade Chronicles lost to DKC2, an old game. Look how well in contrast games like Goldeneye, Melee, and Mario RPG have done in the last contest. Splatoon on the other hand was slammed in its poll. I think the divide between strong Nintendo games and the weak ones would either be Twilight Princess or Mario Galaxy 1. Pokémon Platinum is another possible line between GameFAQs' "old Nintendo" and "new Nintendo". Many Nintendo games released before these games typically do well, while those released after them do not. It's probably safe to put Brawl in the latter group. Games like Skyward Sword, Other M, NSMB, SM3DL/W, and the Wii series would also belong in this later group. I don't think this site is exactly NintendoFAQs anymore. Instead it's NostalgiaFAQs. New Nintendo is destined to tank here thanks to the lack of the nostalgia vote. Oh, and I know there are many Melee fanboys in this board, but you guys underestimate the people who genuinely liked having Snake, Wolf, Ice Climbers, and SSE in Smash. That said I do think the vast majority of Brawl's votes would go to SSB4. --- Give me kuribo's shoe or give me death! - transcience Mario 3 > Pokemon R/B/Y/G - Vote quality over nostalgia! (edited 2/10/2016 1:42:33 PM)report |
LeonhartFour posted... I blame the GameCube. Care to expand, Leon? --- Give me kuribo's shoe or give me death! - transcience Mario 3 > Pokemon R/B/Y/G - Vote quality over nostalgia! |
Galaxy 2 didn't do too bad. --- No matter your determination, you will never be good enough to be both the Last Man Standing and the top Guru in 2015 like DpOblivion! |
Because Nintendo games aren't that good anymore except to the hardcore fans. Also playrate --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png My bracket got DP'd |
Real talk: 1. Nintendo games get less fun and memorable the older/more mature you get and the more games you've played, they're not exactly the most complicated things and they share a lot of similar elements to them. A Nintendo game is just not going to be as intrinsically appealing to the average 20-something year old as say, Fallout. 2. There's also the fact that early big Nintendo games like LTTP and SM64 have set the standard that a lot of games since then have copied and iterated on, there's a lot more competition these days. 3. All this creates ridiculous nostalgia for those early Nintendo games and no matter how good a new game in the same series is, it's not going to match nostalgia. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. (edited 2/10/2016 2:14:13 PM)report |
ctesjbuvf posted... Galaxy 2 didn't do too bad. It lost its poll to Mass Effect despite the trends against Western games and placed below Sunshine in the 3D Mario poll. I don't think that constitutes as not doing too bad. pjbasis posted... Because Nintendo games aren't that good anymore except to the hardcore fans. So it is nostalgia then? I think these people are missing out. I've been having a blast with games like SSB4 and Mario Maker. Maybe playrate is a valid reason though. What do you think caused that? --- Give me kuribo's shoe or give me death! - transcience Mario 3 > Pokemon R/B/Y/G - Vote quality over nostalgia! |
KamikazePotato posted... Real talk: Oh nostalgia, how you can be both a blessing and a curse at the same time. --- Give me kuribo's shoe or give me death! - transcience Mario 3 > Pokemon R/B/Y/G - Vote quality over nostalgia! |
It's
mainly the consoles the games are on. The Wii has a pretty negative
reputation, plus the games in general are less well-received than
previous games in their series with the exception of Galaxy 1 and 2. The
Wii U's games are well-received, but nobody owns a Wii U so it's kinda
moot. And handheld games rarely do well to begin with, with only RBY,
GSC, and Link's Awakening (and Tetris kinda-sorta) making any splashes
in contests. It's part nostalgia and part reputation for the Wii / poor sales for the Wii U. --- Got wrecked in the Guru by the dastardly DpObliVion! |
_Dog posted...
Did you miss the part where I said new Nintendo games are also on average not that good? The NSMB series is s***, new Zelda is mostly s***. Pokemon refuses to change meaningfully except for the hardcore, SSB4 is a masterpiece, etc. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png My bracket got DP'd |
GameFAQs just doesn't play newer games. Besides Skyrim not many games released after GotD did well --- Congrats to DpObliVion for winning the guru. |
_Dog posted... It lost its poll to Mass Effect despite the trends against Western games and placed below Sunshine in the 3D Mario poll. I don't think that constitutes as not doing too bad. Mass Effect is actually pretty legit on this site though, goes for the character contests too. Check the x-stats, Galaxy 2 is actually pretty high there. As for the Mario poll, obviously the Galaxy games leech each other. --- No matter your determination, you will never be good enough to be both the Last Man Standing and the top Guru in 2015 like DpOblivion! |
I
think the problem isn't exclusive to Nintendo by any means. All last
contest we were joking about 90sFAQs and the flowchart, and honestly
they're right. This site loves the 90s, especially 1995-1998. Most if not all of the top games come from this era. 2000-2006 has several near-elites. Melee, Final Fantasy X, and Majora's Mask are among the strongest of this era, but even they have poor chances against the top 90s games. Also notice that those games are all from 2000-2001. 7th and 8th gens are in the same boat, but even weaker. Even games that were strong at one point seem to lose their strength quickly over time; see Metal Gear Solid 4 for the most blatant example of this. There's definitely a hierarchy there where you can't mess with the 90s no matter how hard you try. Just look at A Link Between Worlds, which many people agreed was flat out better than A Link to the Past. But then ALBW just faded into obscurity and didn't even make the last contest, while ALttP was still a beast. --- 'I can imagine it's hard for a referee to ref a Miami Heat game. It's hard for me to take that sometimes. I feel like things are kind of swayed.' -Larry Sanders |
Looking
at the adjusted x-stats, it seems to agree that GameFAQs just doesn't
care about newer games. Relative to other games released since GotD
Nintendo has done okay. Most of the lower ranked games had SFF. The big
exception was Splatoon. --- Congrats to DpObliVion for winning the guru. |
Not_Wylvane posted... It's mainly the consoles the games are on. The Wii has a pretty negative reputation, plus the games in general are less well-received than previous games in their series with the exception of Galaxy 1 and 2. This is total revisionsm. The Wii is the best-selling console of all time and major Nintendo games on the Wii back in the day were some of the most ungodly hyped things and were insanely well-received upon release, and TP back in 2008 still wasn't anywhere close to sniffing OoT's butt crack. It's really just nostalgia. People never get over the games that grab them during their formative years, and most of the formative games for this site were Nintendo games. If you look at the strength of newer games, it's a much more even split between Nintendo and Non-Nintendo. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
All
old games that haven't faded into obscurity do really well, all new
games (except the one that looks like an RPG circa 1990) don't. The
voters are sending a message. They like nostalgia. They. Like. It.
There's no tricks here, no blinders, no hierarchies, no super pacs, etc.
It's just what the voters like. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! |
KamikazePotato posted... The Wii is the best-selling console of all time PS2, DS, Gameboy, and PS1 all sold more --- You felt your sins weighing down on your neck. |
