GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1261
I
actually did the raw x-stats last night. But the rallies really messed
it up, it caused things like MGS4 to be the strongest MGS --- Tangy's Quest to beat the Final Fantasies: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XII, XIII |
-LusterSoldier- posted... I would have gone with SMB3 at 48% against RBY instead of 48.5%. The trends for both games would have been similar, although RBY should have the better night vote due to Asia and also due to the NES not being as popular in Europe compared to North America. This means that NES games in general will have a below average night vote. Possibly, yeah, but that's such a minor adjustment I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Black Turtle posted... If you're including 2004 stats in your adjustments, why not use SMB3/CT and SMW/CT from 2004, which puts SMB3 a clear step up from SMW? I don't actually want to use 2004 stats when I can avoid it. Some of those stats have held up shockingly well (for example, the Metroid Prime/Wind Waker match is projected to be exactly the same in 2015 as it was back then), but many have obviously not. Mario World is one of them; it looked much stronger in 2009/2015 than it did back in 2004. There's not really a good comparison to use for projecting how well RBY does there. I did some 2009/2010/2015 comparisons and found that Sonic 2 is projected to get around 32% against LTTP/SMW, which makes RBY look good but RBY's number against Sonic 2, even after adjusting, could still be inflated by a good bit. I'm very suspicious over how badly Uncharted 2 and Portal 2 ended up looking in the stats. So this is really just the best estimate I got...it looks like RBY would win in a close one, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Mario World pulled it out. LinkMarioSamus posted... TBH I have a hard time imagining any Mario game upending LTTP. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3503-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-lttp-ff3-ff7-s-mario-64 Already almost happened! Then again that also means that Super Metroid is close to them in strength (indirectly?). Then again why not? Does Super Metroid 60-40 Prime at this point? I would think Prime at least 55-45's Galaxy. Super Metroid almost beat MM, so yeah intrinsically it gets 44-45% on LTTP/SMW/SMB3/SM64. Super Metroid beats Prime with about 56%. Prime beats Galaxy with about 53.5%. Also what are the adjusted x-stats for RE4's division? I'll do you one better. Adjusted Combined Stats for Divisions 7+8 Super Mario RPG - 50 Resident Evil 4 - 48.47 Metal Gear Solid 3 - 47.48 Metal Gear Solid - 47.470504 Oblivion - 45.57 Shadow of the Colossus - 44.09060412 Metal Gear Solid 2 - 43.971984 Grand Theft Auto V - 42.8 Bioshock - 42.44712 Fallout: New Vegas - 40.608166 The Witcher 3 - 40.26954295 Paper Mario - 40.162242 Chrono Cross - 39.26 Resident Evil - 38.01817737 Earthbound - 37.65360377 Mass Effect 2 - 37.376256 Starcraft - 36.53902787 Read Dead Redemption - 35.9514786 Bioshock Infinite - 35.79203751 GTA: San Andreas - 35.475336 World of Warcraft - 32.931288 Silent Hill 2 - 32.74370837 Shenmue - 32.2284 Borderlands 2 - 31.16212248 Mother 3 - 28.9628 Shovel Knight - 27.4721002 Bayonetta 2 - 25.89225488 Team Fortress 2 - 24.08228797 The Binding of Isaac Rebirth - 20.80324589 Splatoon - 19.875128 Destiny - 18.64221202 Virtue's Last Reward - 15.63822551 Mass Effect 2, why.... --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Anyone have the registered voters stats that SBAllen gave us on-hand? --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Undertale vs. Mass Effect 3: 29.49% / 70.51% Fallout 3 vs. Undertale: 75.67% / 24.33% Undertale vs. Super Mario World: 19.28% / 80.72% Pokemon Red/Blue vs. Undertale: 76.30% / 23.70% Undertale vs. Super Mario 64: 26.21% / 73.79% Smash Bros. Melee vs. Undertale: 69.59% / 30.41% Undertale vs. Zelda: Ocarina of Time: 33.44% / 66.56% Smash Bros. Melee vs. Portal: 70.37% / 29.63% Smash Bros. Melee vs. Pokemon Gold/Silver: 57.72% / 42.28% Smash Bros. Melee vs. Kingdom Hearts II: 59.51% / 40.49% Chrono Trigger vs. Smash Bros. Melee: 63.28% / 36.72% Smash Bros. Melee vs. Final Fantasy VII: 42.92% / 57.08% For the Undertale matches, everything after the Super Mario World match has to be taken with a grain of salt because Undertale's overperformance among registered users comes down to a lot of Tumblr users now having their own accounts and contributing towards Undertale's registered user stats. Besides that, the stats seem to suggest that Undertale's natural strength started to increase after the SMW match. Also, I'm a bit surprised the registered user stat on the ME3 match is very high for ME3, considering that ME3 only had 62.99% at the freeze in that match. I guess the unregistered users during that match who have nothing to do with the rally were more likely to favor Undertale over ME3. For the Melee matches, it is pretty well known that registered users actually favor Melee by a greater amount than the unregistered users who were not connected to any outside rallying. Melee's strong board vote against Portal and KH2 matches up with the very high registered user numbers for those matches, since the board vote has a higher percentage of registered users voting at the start of the match than any other time period in the match. CT and FFVII would have done better among the unregistered users who weren't part of the outside rallies. So I would probably adjust CT up to 64% on Melee and FFVII up to 58% if I did adjusted x-stats. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! (edited 12/25/2015 11:24:08 AM)report |
Couple things looking at those stats. 1. Fallout 3 vs. Super Mario World based on Undertale's Registered voters actually projects a result within .5% of the adjustments I ended up doing based on other data! That's pretty reassuring to see. 2. I don't know if I'd adjust CT up. I think that's a game that would also do very well among GameFAQs registered voters. FF7, maybe. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
KamikazePotato posted... 2. I don't know if I'd adjust CT up. I think that's a game that would also do very well among GameFAQs registered voters. FF7, maybe. CT lost the board vote to Melee, in that CT gained over 3% after the board vote before the rally kicked in. This suggests Melee does better against CT among registered users than unregistered users (well, not counting the ones that came in from the rally). --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
I
was able to confirm that Allen has inserted more polls into the
database beyond the final "Got Console?" poll on December 31st. Allen
has also inserted the first 7 GotY polls into the database, which will
take us up to January 7th. For reference, this was the GotY schedule
for last year: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll?search=BEST+OF+2014 I can't imagine we'll get polls for the PS3 and Xbox 360, which means that all of the GotY polls that Allen has inputted into the database will take us up to the Mobile GotY poll (most likely scheduled for January 7th) before the overall GotY poll on January 8th. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
I don't actually want to use 2004 stats when I can avoid it. Some of those stats have held up shockingly well (for example, the Metroid Prime/Wind Waker match is projected to be exactly the same in 2015 as it was back then), but many have obviously not. Mario World is one of them; it looked much stronger in 2009/2015 than it did back in 2004. I mean, to each their own, but I will take 3 over World any day of the week. --- DpObliVion, my hat is off to you. Welcome to the Guru Champions Club lol xstats |
I will consider all that when I get back to that part of the bracket...for now, here's the Adjusted Bottom Half: Ocarina of Time - 50 Zelda: LTTP - 44.5 Zelda: Majora's Mask - 40.05 Super Metroid - 39.62547 Super Mario RPG - 35.68 Final Fantasy IX - 34.54 Resident Evil 4 - 34.588192 Metal Gear Solid 3 - 33.881728 Metal Gear Solid - 33.87495165 Kingdom Hearts - 33.787028 Symphony of the Night - 32.82 Oblivion - 32.518752 Super Mario Galaxy - 32.02530485 Shadow of the Colossus - 31.4630551 Metal Gear Solid 2 - 31.37840778 Bioshock - 30.94214928 Final Fantasy IV - 30.7495 Grand Theft Auto V - 30.54208 Okami - 29.11722 Fallout: New Vegas - 28.97798726 The Witcher 3 - 28.73634585 Paper Mario - 28.65977589 Chrono Cross - 28.015936 Resident Evil - 27.12977137 Earthbound - 26.86961165 Mass Effect 2 - 26.67169628 Dark Souls - 26.1838 Starcraft - 26.07425028 Banjo-Kazooie - 25.855596 Read Dead Redemption - 25.65497513 Bioshock Infinite - 25.54119797 GTA: San Andreas - 25.31519977 Final Fantasy XII - 24.93513 Donkey Kong Country 2 - 24.923508 Xenoblade Chronicles - 24.74405874 Fire Emblem: Awakening - 23.87173596 Silent Hill 2 - 23.86877395 World of Warcraft - 23.49976712 Metal Gear Solid V - 23.3559496 Suikoden II - 23.11 Dragon Age: Origins - 23.03259925 Shenmue - 22.99818624 Warcraft III - 22.9501928 Borderlands 2 - 22.2372906 Bloodborne - 22.14738247 Perfect Dark - 21.17450391 Mother 3 - 20.66785408 Monster Hunter 4U - 19.902332 Shovel Knight - 19.6040907 Baldur's Gate 2 - 19.48477715 Valkyria Chronicles - 19.31211 Deus Ex - 18.5911477 Bayonetta 2 - 18.47671309 Civilization V - 17.4384108 Team Fortress 2 - 17.18512069 Super Mario Maker - 17.00145035 Phoenix Wright 3 - 16.416564 Call of Duty 4 - 16.27814308 The Binding of Isaac Rebirth - 14.84519626 Splatoon - 14.18289134 Destiny - 13.3030825 Virtue's Last Reward - 11.15943772 Cave Story - 10.6622 Hearthstone - 8.97 Some minor changes made here and there from previous postings. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. (edited 12/25/2015 6:16:43 PM)report |
RE4 and FFIX are out of order Did you adjust Witcher 3 at all based on its rallying? I have a hard time seeing it beating Paper Mario. --- Ralliers' determination can't even hold a birthday candle to the blazing flame of DpOblivion's winning spirit! |
Didn't touch Witcher 3. Not really sure what I would do to adjust it and it was a small-scale rally anyway. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Luster,
I played around with your idea to adjust the registered voter data
based on Melee possibly doing better with that voting block, but doing
so just ends up making the stats implode. The estimated values for CT
and FF7 actually work best when you just plug them in and don't mess
with them. Adjusted Combined Stats for Divisions 1+2 Chrono Trigger - 50 Final Fantasy VII - 42.78 Final Fantasy VI - 38.9298 Super Smash Bros. Melee - 36.72 Wind Waker - 36.010065 Final Fantasy X - 34.48 Kingdom Hearts II - 32.82768 Pokemon GSC - 32.3136 Mega Man X - 30.700992 Super Smash Bros. For Wii U - 29.697876 Metal Gear Solid 4 - 27.10909814 Mass Effect - 26.79342373 KOTOR - 26.46739778 Super Mario Galaxy 2 - 26.34865289 The Last of Us - 26.24244739 Paper Mario 2 - 25.74038376 Tales of Symphonia - 24.77769341 Half-Life - 24.535968 Xenogears - 24.52998426 Batman: Arkham City - 24.14326011 Portal - 23.713776 Pokemon X/Y - 19.73351562 Halo: Combat Evolved - 18.643524 Dragon Quest VIII - 18.07 Assassin's Creed II - 17.88435012 Halo 3 - 17.0575908 Persona 3 - 16.364192 Minecraft - 16.13783437 The World Ends With You - 15.10337664 Ratchet and Clank: UYA - 14.15 Journey - 13.629708 Planescape: Torment - 12.44341004 --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
KamikazePotato posted... Didn't touch Witcher 3. Not really sure what I would do to adjust it and it was a small-scale rally anyway. The Witcher 3 had a very weak rally that was estimated at about 500-700 extra votes, so I think you could get away with not adjusting the Witcher 3. KamikazePotato posted... Luster, I played around with your idea to adjust the registered voter data based on Melee possibly doing better with that voting block, but doing so just ends up making the stats implode. The estimated values for CT and FF7 actually work best when you just plug them in and don't mess with them. Alright, I guess it couldn't hurt to try fooling around with the numbers to see how they would have turned out. Assuming you tried to use the Grudge Matches to make adjustments, it would be helpful if we knew the registered user stats for all 4 of those matches. Maybe you would be interested in asking Allen for that information. Out of all the Grudge Matches, I think CT/FFVI is the most legitimate looking result from that day while FFVII/OoT was the most heavily affected result from the spillover. CT/FFVI has some use for adjusting stats by making sure the numbers line-up in a way that projects CT to get about 55-56% on FFVII, considering that FFVII got overinflated against FFVI due to rally spillover and probably some SFF. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
I'm
absolutely not using the grudge matches to adjust things. CT/FF6 is
okay as a general guideline sort of thing just because tumblr is equally
distinterested in both of those games, but the other three were pretty
well ruined. I just used the CT/SSBM and FF7/SSBM registered voter numbers to predict that outcome. It's a pretty brutal outcome too. It should not be understated how badly Chrono Trigger was ready to tear this contest apart. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
KamikazePotato posted... I'm absolutely not using the grudge matches to adjust things. Even if you had registered user stats for those matches? --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
That
would be different, but who knows if SBAllen would give them to us!
Plus I'm kind of...done with all the stats, actually. Just finished 10
seconds ago. I can make changes down the road but yeah, let me sort this
and then get it onto pastebin. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. (edited 12/25/2015 9:02:51 PM)report |
I
am not so sure that I agree with CT beating OoT in this contest. It
has been stated before that SMRPG could very well be a Top 15 to Top 10
game on the site if it had any European presence to take advantage of.
Well, CT's relative weakness in Europe is probably going to be the
reason it doesn't beat OoT in a direct match. I think OoT would win
against CT, but it should only be around a 51% win and 52% at the very
most. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
I will not deny that that is a thing that could happen. But at the very least, it reeeeally isn't what the stats imply! Full Best Game Ever 2015 Adjusted Stats: http://pastebin.com/GLPUVj5x Two things I might change in the future: 1. Adjust Witcher 3 a bit, somehow? 2. Bump up Mass Effect 2 because ouch. Maybe that picture really did kill it. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Looking
at those adjusted stats, the one stick in the mud for me is RE4. I
think it loses to SOTC now, ironically where it should sit completely
unadjusted. --- DpObliVion, my hat is off to you. Welcome to the Guru Champions Club lol xstats |
CT would have to be bandwagoned in order to beat OoT, I think. Without a bandwagon, CT almost likely loses to OoT. Regarding The Witcher 3, it was someone else (not me) who stated the weak overnight rally brought in about 500-700 extra votes. Removing 500 votes from The Witcher 3 lowers its percentage down to only 45.10% (originally 45.79%), which isn't a huge change. Removing 1000 votes lowers The Witcher 3 down to 44.38%, over a full percent more than the final result. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
KamikazePotato posted... Phoenix Wright 3 - 16.416564 Man, I really hope those stats are accurate, because this would've been the greatest contest result of all time. --- Video game companies don't care about you, so stop kissing their asses |
Is the guru site down for anyone else? --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest Congrats to DpOblivion in the guru! |
I
seem to recall the trends changing noticeably with Witcher 3 when its
rally was near the top of the subreddit; I remember being a little
worried it would catch up. Between that and Allen's comments on reddit
bringing in a lot of traffic, I wouldn't be surprised if the rally
actually pulled in a few thousand votes. I agree that it's really hard
to tell without word of god, though. --- Ralliers' determination can't even hold a birthday candle to the blazing flame of DpOblivion's winning spirit! |
Mass Effect - 26.79342373 Mass Effect 3 - 25.51312067 Mass Effect 2 - 24.53796058 I wondered at one point if ME1 >= ME2. I think a lot of ME1-fans felt left behind in its sequels, then when the trilogy botched its ending ME2 suffered more for ME3's problems than ME1. ME1's gameplay was different enough and began its five year-trilogy. ME2 then expanded ME1's fanbase and put all eyes on ME3, which possibly hurt the whole series but hurt ME1 less than ME2.. These stats suggest that could been what happened, but at the the same time I don't trust any ME-ranking where ME3 isn't last place. --- DpObliVion wins the contest and fills you with determination. My bracket had a bad time. |
There's two factors that led into that. 1. Undertale's intrinsic Gamefaqs strength boosted after Round 1. As ME3's stat ranking is inherently tied to Undertale, there's no way to really fix that or tell how much it's overrated by. 2. Mass Effect 2 got the worst picture in the contest in its losing match, while MGS3 got an amazing one. I would be floored if ME3 was actually stronger than ME2. At the same time, it really is looking like ME1 is the strongest in the series. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. (edited 12/26/2015 10:14:49 AM)report |
The site doesn't care about Mass Effect anymore, Shepard to lose a rematch with Aeris. Heck did any ME character look good in 2013? Garrus got close to Sub-Zero, but then The Boss did too and outdid Garrus so oops. Mordin got creamed, Wrex I guess did fine in making Round 2 and even avoiding last place there but lol Wario, IIRC a freaking Pokemon trainer creamed him. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil (edited 12/26/2015 9:59:33 AM)report |
Yeah, Red, who ended up making the semis and getting pretty close to Mega Man there. --- Any sound can shake the air. My voice shakes the heart! -Sho Minamimoto |
True, I was just staring in disbelief because I like to hate on Pokemon for some reason. This is one of those dumb situations where you have very little experience with the thing in question and simply don't like seeing it murder all your favorite stuff. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
Resident Evil - 24.95938966 Resident Evil 2 - 22.95773888 Given that RE1 also represents REmake I approve of this but I certainly don't believe it would actually happen. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO DpObliVion NO PEACE] |
AxemRedRanger posted... Resident Evil - 24.95938966 Actually, that's about accurate. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3460-division-4-round-1-csotn-kirbyss-re-s-mario-64 Resident Evil 1 vs. SM64: 31.19% http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6080-best-game-ever-day-8-final-fantasy-tactics-vs-resident-evil http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6129-best-game-ever-day-20-round-2-super-mario-64-vs-final Resident Evil 2 vs. SM64: 28.65% RE2 might win a 1 v 1 fanbase battle poll, but intrinsically, RE1 is stronger. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
KamikazePotato posted... Full Best Game Ever 2015 Adjusted Stats: What kind of adjustments did you make for Super Mario RPG? It's generally assumed that it got bandwagoned against OoT, leading to an overperformance. And although the Melee/SMRPG match isn't very reliable because of spillover, that bonus match seems to support the theory that SMRPG was in fact bandwagoned against OoT. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
SMRPG
had a minor bandwagon effect going on against OoT that immediately got
crushed by tumblr spillover and SFF. I adjusted SMRPG based on every
other match it had up until that point, which has it doing about 1%
better than FF9 did on OoT, indirectly. The grudge match poll are worthless. They're indicative of very little. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. (edited 12/26/2015 5:34:34 PM)report |
Yeah I don't trust the bonus polls at all. CT/FFVI is the only one I'm confident is even within 5% of the correct result. --- Ralliers' determination can't even hold a birthday candle to the blazing flame of DpOblivion's winning spirit! (edited 12/26/2015 5:36:33 PM)report |
CT/FFVI
is probably within 2% of the correct result. It appears to be the
least affected result out of the bonus matches. When I did my
predictions for the bonus matches, 3 of the matches turned out to be
about 3-4% higher than my predictions. I was only off by less than 1%
on CT/FFVI. A mini Oracle Challenge contest was set up for the bonus matches here: http://www.oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k15Grudge --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
Our vote totals only fell by 2000 this year. Not bad. --- Congratulations to DpObliVion, the 2k15 BGE Guru champ! |
Closer
to 3000, actually. At the start of this year, we were around 23000
votes on average and this has dropped down to about 20000 votes. I
assume at some point, vote totals are going to stabilize and not drop
any farther. Until we see fairly consistent monthly vote totals for a
period of at least 48 months (2 years), I will avoid making any
statements about whether or not our vote totals have finally hit rock
bottom and are unable to go any lower. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
Yeah
we're definitely closing in on hitting the rock bottom vote totals, 48
months sound about right where we'll probably end up with 14000 - 17,000
stabilized vote totals. --- Congratulations to DpObliVion, the 2k15 BGE Guru champ! |
-LusterSoldier- posted... I am not so sure that I agree with CT beating OoT in this contest. It has been stated before that SMRPG could very well be a Top 15 to Top 10 game on the site if it had any European presence to take advantage of. Well, CT's relative weakness in Europe is probably going to be the reason it doesn't beat OoT in a direct match. I think OoT would win against CT, but it should only be around a 51% win and 52% at the very most. I think OoT is directly stronger than CT, but CT would've had enough momentum and hype and OoT enough anti-votes and Zelda fatigue for CT to beat OoT in a final match that's close but not in question. Look at how well Undertale did against OoT among registered users. Hold the match now, and I think OoT would win. --- Got wrecked in the Guru by the dastardly DpObliVion! |
Not_Wylvane posted... I think OoT is directly stronger than CT, but CT would've had enough momentum and hype and OoT enough anti-votes and Zelda fatigue for CT to beat OoT in a final match that's close but not in question. Look at how well Undertale did against OoT among registered users. I don't know about that. IIRC, didn't Undertale only pull ~20% with registered GameFAQ users against Super Mario World? Despite anti-votes, OoT would need more fatigue than that; considering its strength in general. CT vs OoT would have been a pretty impressive bonus match, though. --- What's wrong with the world these days is people don't have any common sense. http://i.imgur.com/4p4wGOs.png |
KCGemini posted... Not_Wylvane posted...I think OoT is directly stronger than CT, but CT would've had enough momentum and hype and OoT enough anti-votes and Zelda fatigue for CT to beat OoT in a final match that's close but not in question. Look at how well Undertale did against OoT among registered users. Undertale pulled 33%+ with registered voters against Ocarina. CT beating OoT's face in among registered voters is almost a given at this point given its preposterous RV advantage against SSBM. --- Welcome to the League of Antivotes. |
Karma Hunter posted... Undertale pulled 33%+ with registered voters against Ocarina. CT beating OoT's face in among registered voters is almost a given at this point given its preposterous RV advantage against SSBM. I know what's bolded, but I'm more interested in its strength if say...Undertale faltered against SMW. CT was very strong this contest, but OoT is still a juggernaut. --- What's wrong with the world these days is people don't have any common sense. http://i.imgur.com/4p4wGOs.png |
CT is the stronger game Doesn't mean it wins the match, though --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
KCGemini posted... Karma Hunter posted...Undertale pulled 33%+ with registered voters against Ocarina. CT beating OoT's face in among registered voters is almost a given at this point given its preposterous RV advantage against SSBM. Compared to what CT did this contest, it really isn't. OoT spent exactly zero matches looking like a champion this contest, and Undertale turning it into a One Vote Wonder at the end is the final culmination of a contest that GameFAQs was dead-set against it winning. It rolled over and died despite a ton of desperate rally attempts in the finals, all while it scored less percentage and less votes than SSBM in a match with less total votes overall - which means by virtually every single metric, OoT was well, well below Rallied Melee this year. You know what Rallied Melee had to fight tooth and nail all day to beat? Yeah, that's right. --- Welcome to the League of Antivotes. |
Ocarina of Time looked like a champion against Hearthstone! Like Snake did against Tanner..... I'm not convinced CT would have won the championship, but it absolutely earned its right to say it could have. We tried to ignore Chrono Trigger being #1 on THE LIST and being the most nominated game, and I didn't care about its blow-outs in the first two rounds...but we can't ignore CT beating FFX worse than LoZ:OoT beat FF9 when we saw this in GotD: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4185-south-division-final-final-fantasy-x-vs-final-fantasy-ix CT wouldn't have gotten a push like Undertale did against LoZ:OoT...but a fraction of that underdog-push could have also sealed the deal. --- DpObliVion wins the contest and fills you with determination. My bracket had a bad time. |
Bump --- My bracket got smashed by DpObliVion. Congrats to DpObliVion for winning the BGE15 Guru Contest! |
Chrono Trigger: Uncrowned King of GameFAQS --- Give me kuribo's shoe or give me death! - transcience Mario 3 > Pokemon R/B/Y/G - Vote quality over nostalgia! |
I
think the people that think CT would have beat FF7 or OoT in a fair
match are kidding themselves. CT looked great this contest, but it
looked great exclusively against games that have reason to drop with the
aging site and decreased votals. --- DpObliVion, my hat is off to you. Welcome to the Guru Champions Club lol xstats |
Didn't
CT do maybe 8% better against SSBM than FF7 when you look at their
registered voters? You could also try to compare FFX to FF3/6, or SSBM
to SSB4. I think those comparisons make it look closer, but FF7 would
have likely lost to CT from those scenarios. --- DpObliVion wins the contest and fills you with determination. My bracket had a bad time. |
BetrayedTangy posted... I actually did the raw x-stats last night. But the rallies really messed it up, it caused things like MGS4 to be the strongest MGS JUSTICE --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest Congrats to DpOblivion in the guru! |
