ZFS posted...
Also, I think makes me feel really good about SMW being the strongest Mario.

Today shouldn't mean much in terms of implications. We have more non-regulars than regulars.

I'm not at all convinced RBY is stronger than SMW or SM64, let alone the #3 game.

And if you think RBY has top 3 potential due to rallies - what about Melee? I think in a late round match, Melee has more reliable rally ability than RBY.
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Also Mario RPG is going to win the day vote against Melee.

That's how bad that Euro vote is.
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Has anybody worked out what %age of votes were registered based on Allen's numbers?
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also what the heck OoT is beating FFVII in Europe too?

FFVII what happened to you
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creativename posted...
Has anybody worked out what %age of votes were registered based on Allen's numbers?


Allen said in that topic that approximately 1/3 of votes come from registered users.
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LeonhartFour posted...
Also, FFIX almost certainly overperformed on OoT, but that shouldn't be too surprising. Suikoden II did, too. SOTN might have, too, but it was probably balanced out by the spillover. Whatever anti-voting OoT got is thrown out the window once FFVII enters the picture.


I really don't like the anti-voting excuse we keep throwing around. When you get consistently antivoted, it means you're weaker.
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LeonhartFour posted...
also what the heck OoT is beating FFVII in Europe too?

FFVII what happened to you


Cloud saw Link getting his s*** kicked in by Undertale.
He decided he wanted in.
Little did he know, losing would only modivate him further.
Cloud...
He wasn't ready...
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KamikazePotato posted...
I really don't like the anti-voting excuse we keep throwing around. When you get consistently antivoted, it means you're weaker.


Except when you face the top competition. We saw it with Cloud against Link. By all rights, Link should have smashed Cloud harder than he did in 2010, and...he didn't.
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I wonder if the Remake will be it's own game.

In nominations, the RE remake was the same game right?

With FF7 being episodic, and a totally different combat system it's probably not the same game for nominations. Might be some controversy about this.

Will help Cloud and Seph if it's a separate game, but not do anything for FF7.
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I just think FF7/OOT is unique. nothing on this website resonates like that matchup. I mean, did you see Nomura's Cloud/Link art yesterday? those two are forever linked. we can vote CT and RBY over them, or Undertale, but at the end of the day, FF7 and OOT are our two biggest games. it's been that way for over a decade and will always be that way.
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KamikazePotato posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Also, FFIX almost certainly overperformed on OoT, but that shouldn't be too surprising. Suikoden II did, too. SOTN might have, too, but it was probably balanced out by the spillover. Whatever anti-voting OoT got is thrown out the window once FFVII enters the picture.


I really don't like the anti-voting excuse we keep throwing around. When you get consistently antivoted, it means you're weaker.

Yeah, I agree. It's mostly intrinsic strength if you only do your best vs. FF7 or with SFF.
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creativename posted...
I wonder if the Remake will be it's own game.

In nominations, the RE remake was the same game right?

With FF7 being episodic, and a totally different combat system it's probably not the same game for nominations. Might be some controversy about this.

Will help Cloud and Seph if it's a separate game, but not do anything for FF7.


When it comes out, the remake is definitely going to be considered a different game.
This isn't just a mere enhanced port like OOT 3D was, they're making huge changes to the game.
But until then, FF7 is going to be taking the piss for FF7R's bad press.
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FFVIIR for GOTD 2
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And while FF9 may have overperformed a bit for whatever reason, it's impossible to ignore that CT did better against FFX than OoT did against FF9. OoT has two total good results - Hearthstone, and a heavily skewed bonus poll. Its looked weaker than CT in every single round of the tournament.
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LeonhartFour posted...
FFVIIR for GOTD 2

It will probably be mid card. Most here will probably never get it.

Not so high playrate and it may get anti voted even by FF7 fans!
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LeonhartFour posted...
Yeah, RE4 was my first thought for a base for the bottom quarter of the bracket. It seemed pretty stable from GOTD.

Also, adjusting FFIX/KH1 based on Melee/KH2 hadn't occurred to me before. Nice idea.


Very.

(Can I again express my disbelief that 61% of casuals and 43% of gurus got that match wrong? Because that match really seemed like it should've been obvious.)
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are we calling a 51/49 match obvious

is that what we're doing in here
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creativename posted...
ZFS posted...
Also, I think makes me feel really good about SMW being the strongest Mario.

Today shouldn't mean much in terms of implications. We have more non-regulars than regulars.

I'm not at all convinced RBY is stronger than SMW or SM64, let alone the #3 game.

And if you think RBY has top 3 potential due to rallies - what about Melee? I think in a late round match, Melee has more reliable rally ability than RBY.


Rallies aside, Pokemon is CLEARLY a step above the 3 Mario games. I would also wager that SMB3/World are a step above 64 as well. I still take Pokemon to the semifinals if we limit the contest to registered users.
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What in everyone's opinion was the Board 8 embarassment of the contest? Super Metroid/SMG has my vote, I don't remember the exact number, but I'm pretty sure less than 20% of the Guru had Metroid there.
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That's probably my pick, I was surprised Metroid was such an underdog. SNES vs Wii era Nintendo; that is a 100% win rate for old Ninty. There is not a single Wii game that comes close to its SNES counterpart.
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Eh, I'd go with a quarter of B8 picking Mario Maker to win its fourpack.
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Not quite as bad as you thought but still pretty bad!

Chrono Trigger/FFX also deserves special note for being the worst loss a guru favorite has ever suffered. And it wasn't even a toss-up in the guru but a 59-40 split in FFX's favor, AND it's not a match that the casuals particularly struggled with - sitewide, Chrono Trigger had a 57.09% prediction percentage.
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Actually, yeah, FFX/CT is probably it.
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I'd vote for CT vs FFX, it was actually shocking to see B8 siding with FFX. I picked CT to win and never looked back, didn't even doubt my pick once even though the majority of the board was going with FFX.

edit- didn't see AxemRedRanger's post, but yeah, what he said basically.
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So have we arrived at a consensus list of adjustments for rallying and spillover?

SMW=SM64=SMB3 at um, 47.50% on RBY? I'd say SMW>=SM64>SMB3 but being conservative in adjusting.

Melee at 35-37% on CT
Melee at 43% on FF7

CT=50ish% on OoT?

And for SFF

FF6 a couple points higher on FF7

SMRPG higher on OoT
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
That's probably my pick, I was surprised Metroid was such an underdog. SNES vs Wii era Nintendo; that is a 100% win rate for old Ninty. There is not a single Wii game that comes close to its SNES counterpart.


It was because of how badly Samus and her games have typically done when facing Mario/Link and their games. Plus us assuming Galaxy got a lot more respect than it actually does.
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Mario hasn't looked that good in a while!
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Mario got screwed this contest. The big three mario games were all rally-killed. I very much doubt pokemon would have run through all three.
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This is why everyone is gonna be shocked when Mario World has a chance to not get caught in between rally central! People setting it as equal to Mario 3 are in for a surprise!
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LeonhartFour posted...
Mario hasn't looked that good in a while!


He hasn't looked good, period
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I'm all for Mario World being the strongest.

Final Fantasy VIII redeemed
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Huh, Yesmar closed that account?

Weird.
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During a time when GTA5 holds strong, FF9 looks good, every other 90s RPG product impresses, why not FF8!

besides this anti-Mario campaign makes no sense Mario RPG was in the semifinal come on now
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every result has validated FFVIII's and FFX's strengths

get out FFIX
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Mario World got the highest percentage against Undertale among registered users of any game. I could believe it's the strongest Mario game. But this result is reoccurring should the match happen again:

Division 16 Semifinals: Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario World
Chrono Trigger 59.01% 45047
Super Mario World 40.99% 31294
TOTAL VOTES 76341

Get dunked on.
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Mario World tops CT 50.05 to 49.95
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ZFS posted...
Living in a dream red sox

Mario World tops CT 50.05 to 49.95


if you said this 6 weeks ago it would have been a reasonable prediction

now it's a bunch of lol
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SMG > SM was probably the worst guru choice considering only 22% had Super Metroid. At least Chrono Trigger had 39%.

A shout out goes to Persona 3 > Dragon Quest VIII. 17% for the x-stat favourite?
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It's gone all the way down to 4.25 from 4.58 before the Super Mario World match.
10.9% (127/1165) of its current raters have given it the lowest possible score of 0.5.

We're rapidly approaching Shadow Dragon territory here!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/943695-fire-emblem-shadow-dragon/stats
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Oh, if SMW and CT meet during a future contest, I'm probably pulling the Nintendo trigger. Ninty gives Square no quarter.

I find it illogical to presume that CT would have boosted more than other beloved SNES games. They all boosted and looked like monsters. If CT ever runs into LttP or World, that will become apparent imo.
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charmander6000 posted...
A shout out goes to Persona 3 > Dragon Quest VIII. 17% for the x-stat favourite?


I picked DQVIII to win that match, but it wasn't unreasonable to expect that Persona has gone way up since 2010. I don't know if the stats back this up, but it certainly feels like Persona 4 has at least trended way up.
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LeonhartFour posted...
I'm all for Mario World being the strongest.

Final Fantasy VIII redeemed


Then GameFAQs is making the right choice in picking which Mario game is the strongest.
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Old Mario games aren't easy to rally, and they'd need it to avoid getting blasted by CT this year.

In the future though? CT may mean revert back to it's old strength. It's boost had no real source, an equally inexplicable decline is possible. I mean, that's possible for any game, but especially one who had it's strongest year ever.
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Mario and his older games are probably really only so popular because of their legacy.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Oh, if SMW and CT meet during a future contest, I'm probably pulling the Nintendo trigger. Ninty gives Square no quarter.

I find it illogical to presume that CT would have boosted more than other beloved SNES games. They all boosted and looked like monsters. If CT ever runs into LttP or World, that will become apparent imo.


Ah, but, CT was the strongest of the SNES games to start with! In 2004, anyway. SNES power is even higher than 2004 now, so that seems more relevant than 2009. And CT/SMW was an open question in 2009, while it wasn't close in 2004.

And there is a reason for CT to rise/fall the most with the fortunes of the SNES. It is the only strong SNES game without strong sequels in later generations. SMW gets part of its strength from being a Mario game. LTTP gets some strength from being a Zelda game. Even FFVI probably gets something from being a Final Fantasy game, though in the famously divided FF fanbase it doesn't mean as much.

If you restrict the poll to the actual "SNES fanbase" CT wins against all the other SNES games, in every year since we started these things, I'm pretty sure. That is an SFF-like relationship won't ever change.
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