Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1260 - The Coronation, Plus Grudge Matches!

My opinion on CT:

It'll maul FFVII and essentially every non-OoT, non-rallied entity from after its era... but I think it would have a difficult time with the other two SNES powerhouses, SMW and LttP. This is doubly true if we ever have a retro games contest where those two games carry the Nintendo's flag. I would almost certainly take LttP to win such a contest.
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very early, but based on this, i don't think ct can do anything to oot

oot doing more on ffvii than 7 on 6. ct similar to 7 on 6.
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Karma Hunter posted...
Ocarina rallied like... a lot. Attempted rallies on r/gaming, r/nintendo, r/zelda. Multiple Facebook pages with hundreds of thousands of likes linking to the poll. And other things I'm forgetting right now.


You have to be over-exaggerating.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Like I said, I think if we take the votals from the last 12 hours of the poll or so we'll be getting a better picture of where these games all stand. FF7 isn't *this* bad....probably.


FFVII will gain a lot overnight, but yeah, the spillover will be the worst to it because it's literally spillover against the game it's currently facing.
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CT really had acquired those FF7 trends somehow.....up 3% from the freeze already.
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Vayu_The_End posted...
You have to be over-exaggerating.


Oh, the pages put up the 'links'. Except the link didn't actually lead to the poll, so nothing happened.

Still, I feel people are failing to notice that we got more than 150k votes yesterday. That's insane.
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Vayu_The_End posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Ocarina rallied like... a lot. Attempted rallies on r/gaming, r/nintendo, r/zelda. Multiple Facebook pages with hundreds of thousands of likes linking to the poll. And other things I'm forgetting right now.


You have to be over-exaggerating.


Firstly, I'd just be exaggerating if that was the case. No over needed.

Secondly...

https://www.facebook.com/zeldauniverse
https://www.facebook.com/ZeldaInformer/
https://www.facebook.com/ZeldaDungeon


I'm really not.
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Yesterday's chart:

Time | Undertale | OOT | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 64.88% | 35.12% | 3431 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 62.57% | 37.43% | 19910 | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 59.82% | 40.18% | 32452 | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 56.60% | 43.40% | 18093 | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 54.47% | 45.53% | 38316 | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 57.47% | 42.53% | 40394 | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 58.44% | 41.56% | 7439 | (22:00-24:00)
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
My opinion on CT:

It'll maul FFVII and essentially every non-OoT, non-rallied entity from after its era... but I think it would have a difficult time with the other two SNES powerhouses, SMW and LttP. This is doubly true if we ever have a retro games contest where those two games carry the Nintendo's flag. I would almost certainly take LttP to win such a contest.


It beat both of those directly in 2004, when it was no match for FF7/OOT at all. SMW got wrecked. I'm more afraid of RBY (and SSBM of course, but I'm taking CT in a rematch as the rally will feel real strange against an opponent they've beaten before).
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MechanicalWall posted...
Vayu_The_End posted...
You have to be over-exaggerating.


Oh, the pages put up the 'links'. Except the link didn't actually lead to the poll, so nothing happened.

Still, I feel people are failing to notice that we got more than 150k votes yesterday. That's insane.


You can make that excuse for Zelda Dungeon sorta, but not Zelda Universe. They linked directly to voting.

And people aren't marveling at the 150,000 votes because Undertale/Melee did better on all fronts just two days before.
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red sox 777 posted...
CaptainOfCrush posted...
My opinion on CT:

It'll maul FFVII and essentially every non-OoT, non-rallied entity from after its era... but I think it would have a difficult time with the other two SNES powerhouses, SMW and LttP. This is doubly true if we ever have a retro games contest where those two games carry the Nintendo's flag. I would almost certainly take LttP to win such a contest.


It beat both of those directly in 2004, when it was no match for FF7/OOT at all. SMW got wrecked. I'm more afraid of RBY (and SSBM of course, but I'm taking CT in a rematch as the rally will feel real strange against an opponent they've beaten before).


How many of these people will really remember that they've beaten CT before? They might remember Undertale, but I don't thinking beating up Chrono again is going to rent much space in their collective minds.
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yeah I think OOT/CT/RBY are on another level from the rest of the entrants right now.
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Karma Hunter posted...
And people aren't marveling at the 150,000 votes because Undertale/Melee did better on all fronts just two days before.


I know that, but we knew both of those games were going in with full-blown rallies. Ocarina looked awful yesterday, but it was probably receiving a s***ton of support as well, which is the only good way to explain that votal.
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Yeah I now regret that we won't get to see CT vs RBY since that's apparently this sites new marquee matchup of titans
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TheCapisBack posted...
Yeah I now regret that we won't get to see CT vs RBY since that's apparently this sites new marquee matchup of titans


It was even a true grudge match! As in, an actual history and grudge between the two games!
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Huh, I had no idea that OoT even tried, let alone seriously.

And THAT begs the question... are we still 100% confident that Ocarina would have floored Melee in the final?
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If you told me 10 years ago OoT was (probably) gonna hold FFVII below 40% the day f***ing Cloud was a playable character in Smash, my head may have exploded.
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Ugh so many people on the board acting like Undertale was an underdog even after that massacre

CaptainOfCrush posted...
Huh, I had no idea that OoT even tried, let alone seriously.

And THAT begs the question... are we still 100% confident that Ocarina would have floored Melee in the final?

I'm definitely not 100% on that.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Huh, I had no idea that OoT even tried, let alone seriously.

And THAT begs the question... are we still 100% confident that Ocarina would have floored Melee in the final?


Depends.
If the current OOT vs FF7 results are a result of rally spillover, then yes. Melee has shown it's limits in terms of rallying power.

If not... it probably would've been a good match.
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ViviffTheMobile posted...
If you told me 10 years ago OoT was (probably) gonna hold FFVII below 40% the day f***ing Cloud was a playable character in Smash, my head may have exploded.


Link SFFs Cloud now

duh
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Whiskey_Nick posted...
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Quiet Mountain incoming.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Huh, I had no idea that OoT even tried, let alone seriously.

And THAT begs the question... are we still 100% confident that Ocarina would have floored Melee in the final?


No. The Melee that was in the Undertale match was by far the strongest opponent it faced all contest.
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KamikazePotato posted...
By the way, if we do a new Games Contest, I would 100% prefer a 'Best 80s to 90s' contest over a Best Game Ever. It wouldn't even have like, ANY of my favorites games, but it somehow would be much more unpredictable.


I remember suggesting Game of the 90s as a joke during contest season (because it would keep all the top-tier games around, unlike GotD), but now I actually really want to see it now that both FFVII and Ocarina have spent the whole contest looking vulnerable.
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Damn, Part 1260.

I'm a bit surprised at the spread CT has over FF6, but I was never really good at predicting these things.
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KamikazePotato posted...
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Huh, I had no idea that OoT even tried, let alone seriously.

And THAT begs the question... are we still 100% confident that Ocarina would have floored Melee in the final?


No. The Melee that was in the Undertale match was by far the strongest opponent it faced all contest.


CaptainOfCrush posted...
Huh, I had no idea that OoT even tried, let alone seriously.

And THAT begs the question... are we still 100% confident that Ocarina would have floored Melee in the final?


I'm not that confident in it. Look at how well LTTP held up. That is super bandwagoned Melee's floor on Gamefaqs, I think, before rallies. And according to Bacon, Melee did better among registered users against UT than Ocarina did. It could have been as strong as OOT through bandwagoning alone, before rallying. Then you set rallies against SFF, but the thing is, everyone knows that Zelda always wins. That's the killer
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red sox 777 posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Huh, I had no idea that OoT even tried, let alone seriously.

And THAT begs the question... are we still 100% confident that Ocarina would have floored Melee in the final?


No. The Melee that was in the Undertale match was by far the strongest opponent it faced all contest.


CaptainOfCrush posted...
Huh, I had no idea that OoT even tried, let alone seriously.

And THAT begs the question... are we still 100% confident that Ocarina would have floored Melee in the final?


I'm not that confident in it. Look at how well LTTP held up. That is super bandwagoned Melee's floor on Gamefaqs, I think, before rallies. And according to Bacon, Melee did better among registered users against UT than Ocarina did. It could have been as strong as OOT through bandwagoning alone, before rallying. Then you set rallies against SFF, but the thing is, everyone knows that Zelda always wins. That's the killer


That could've just been backlash due to all the s*** OOT had to deal with in regards to Kotaku and Toph, as well as people slowly warming up to Undertale and giving it a shot. In addition to that, people just voting for the supposed underdog.
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This beatdown of Mario 64 is impressive. RBY staking its top 3 claim here.
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I think I'm coming away most impressed with Mario 3 here.
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RBY is probably benefiting more from Undertale spillover than any other game. I need to wait for registered user numbers (or the second half of the match at least) to even semi-confidently call an actual RBY/SM64 match.
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RBY is probably beating down on Mario 64 because there might some Tumblr rally spillover. We'll see what happens to RBY later today when most of the spillover has died down.

Judging from the results in this contest, I would have been surprised if Mario 64 was the strongest Mario with all of the SNES domination this year. I think the 3 Marios rank in strength as Mario World > Mario 3 > Mario 64.
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I don't give any of these results much thought. Undertale changed everything. All of these matches could have been quite different two months ago, and they will be quite different again when we have our next game contest and all of this is forgotten.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
I don't give any of these results much thought. Undertale changed everything. All of these matches could have been quite different two months ago, and they will be quite different again when we have our next game contest and all of this is forgotten.


The Undertale rally was hyper focused on Undertale polls.
If there is spillover, I don't think it's a whole lot.
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61%! Upwards we go!
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Vayu_The_End posted...
The Undertale rally was hyper focused on Undertale polls.
If there is spillover, I don't think it's a whole lot.

Were you watching Majora's Mask/Super Metroid? >_>
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Like RBY still probably wins, but it would definitely not be nearly THIS lopsided.
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You can't say there's no spillover when we'd take like 8 hours to hit this vote total normally. You simply cannot.
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No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
Even without spillover, regular voters are influenced by all the craziness they've just seen. It affects things.
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So using OOT-FFVII and FFVI-FFVII and CT-FFVI
How does OOT-CT turns out?
I guess OOT 60-40 it or something because of FFVII SFFd FFVI and..OOT overperform on FFVII right now
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Nanis23 posted...
So using OOT-FFVII and FFVI-FFVII and CT-FFVI
How does OOT-CT turns out?
I guess OOT 60-40 it or something because of FFVII SFFd FFVI and..OOT overperform on FFVII right now


Gotta wait for FFVII and CT to finish rising.
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It might also help to get registered user breakdowns for all of these matches, since it would allow us to filter out the spillover votes and then we can slightly adjust the registered user numbers based on what the unregistered GameFAQs voters would have favored here.
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