Ulti's showing his ignorance again. The only pre-Draven rally that required a lot of outside support was Starcraft in 2004. Everything else was small potatoes and I don't think there were any results changed due to rallies, aside from the already super close matches like Frog/Chief or Frog/Liquid.
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And yes I said Draven cheated too so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up as a counter-point? Undertale and Draven behaved very similarly.

And you're crazy if you think Melee's rally (vs CT) was at all like Undertale. Like go look at the vote totals from 5m update to 5m update. Melee dropped off fairly quickly. Keep in mind a lot of that match was CT's early vote being godly too-- Melee makes that match quite close with or without a rally.
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xp1337 posted...
man i literally quoted a post of yours saying something to this effect and expressed my disapproval during melee/undertale


He is super selective about this stuff. If one random person complains he does this. He also kind of struggles to understand why a counterrally to fix a result isn't looked down on.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Sorozone posted...
I didn't forget. I said majority. Tumblr would obviously be #2 but I would like to know the distribution. I mean he'll never show them, but whatever.

I just find it hard to believe a subreddit with at most has around 2,000 active redditors, even combined with other elements can somehow muster a stronger rally than a subreddit that has hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people on at all times. Yeah they don't all have to vote, still.


You're also forgetting that noone that plays LoL gives a s*** about generic overpriced hero #837. The percentage of LoL fans that would vote Draven is much lower than the percentage of Undertale fans.

That's why I applaud SB for removing LoL from the contest, since a rally for the game itself would be at least twice as strong as the Draven rally. In so much as a rally can have transitive strength (which it doesn't)


Wasn't Draven considered a middle of the road character that had a mixed following at the time of the contest? They also put Teemo in the contest, but everyone hated that guy.

Imagine if they put a more popular hero in the contest. Yikes.
Draven was done during the LoL tourney, which had over a million people concurrently watching it. Add that to everything else, and I'm surprised Draven didn't end up burying the competition more than he did.
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LOLContests posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
ZFS posted...
It seems like rallying has become this weird metagame for some of you guys. That's cool if you're into that, but you gotta realize a lot of people aren't and don't care to get that invested in their video game winning a match.


It seems like contest strength has become this weird metagame for some of you guys. That's cool if you're into that, but you gotta realize a lot of people aren't and don't care to get that invested in their video game winning a match.


"Become"?


Don't ruin my parody.
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KCGemini posted...
Undertale fans have a stronger unification than most fandoms (despite some of them getting out of line), from what I've noticed. That and it's more or less been one hell of a snowball effect.


True they are drones.

I'd just like to see they data. That's more so my problem. We just have to take his word(which I don't trust after the Draven deal).

In anycase I don't really care about rallies, I'm more upset Resident Evil 4 lost to f***ing SMRPG.

Also been playing any Mario Kart Ta?
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Lopen posted...
And yes I said Draven cheated too so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up as a counter-point? Undertale and Draven behaved very similarly.

And you're crazy if you think Melee's rally (vs CT) was at all like Undertale. Like go look at the vote totals from 5m update to 5m update. Melee dropped off fairly quickly. Keep in mind a lot of that match was CT's early vote being godly too-- Melee makes that match quite close with or without a rally.


Easily explained with the fact that the Melee rally required pulling in people from Twitter, while Undertale had a more slow burn with Tumblr/Reddit. Twitter by its nature requires constant tweets all day to have an effect.

Also, Undertale's horde of portly 14 year olds have been rallying the game since the first round, more people were aware of the contest and didn't require the quick bursts from twitter.
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Oh boy. It's really L-Block 2.0 now with the Kotaku article.

It might be a slaughter now instead of the usual close match Undertale does out of its mercy
Sorozone posted...
Also been playing any Mario Kart Ta?

Not seriously anymore, but I still play it on occassion. That and Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate.
You still in a clan?
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Melee has a base on reddit too? And it has the Smashboard thing

It's not really all that different

(And then Melee behaved just like the Undertale "rally" when it had to go against Undertale itself-- why did this happen if they're so different???)
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armitage999 posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Sorozone posted...
I didn't forget. I said majority. Tumblr would obviously be #2 but I would like to know the distribution. I mean he'll never show them, but whatever.

I just find it hard to believe a subreddit with at most has around 2,000 active redditors, even combined with other elements can somehow muster a stronger rally than a subreddit that has hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people on at all times. Yeah they don't all have to vote, still.


You're also forgetting that noone that plays LoL gives a s*** about generic overpriced hero #837. The percentage of LoL fans that would vote Draven is much lower than the percentage of Undertale fans.

That's why I applaud SB for removing LoL from the contest, since a rally for the game itself would be at least twice as strong as the Draven rally. In so much as a rally can have transitive strength (which it doesn't)


Wasn't Draven considered a middle of the road character that had a mixed following at the time of the contest? They also put Teemo in the contest, but everyone hated that guy.

Imagine if they put a more popular hero in the contest. Yikes.


I think you'd have a hard time finding a hero in a moba that has universal love like that. LoL suffers from a similar problem as FF6, where an ensemble cast means the characters are much weaker than the game proportionally.

I'd still have loved to see Dota2/LoL in a match, as bad as that would ruin the rest of the contest.
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KCGemini posted...
Sorozone posted...
Also been playing any Mario Kart Ta?

Not seriously anymore, but I still play it on occassion. That and Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate.
You still in a clan?


Nah. I mostly just time trial. I can't really get into 8 though. So I just play every few weeks for a few hours on a random Saturday or something.
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This might be the best pic Ocarina of Time has ever gotten.

http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/bge20/r7/65-4.jpg

The other three don't do much for me.
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Yeah, I think that's my favorite OoT pic.
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wrt the Kotaku article, nothing of quality has EVER come out of Kotaku. The people working for that site are a bunch of moronic millenials that likely wear fedoras and wolf/moon sweaters when they go to their anime meetups.
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Yeah, I'm not even a big OoT fan and I think that's an excellent pic.
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That's actually a really good OoT pic
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xp1337 posted...
Yeah, I think that's my favorite OoT pic.


Sums up the 2/3 of the game! So good. Just need to run that one all day.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Sorozone posted...
I didn't forget. I said majority. Tumblr would obviously be #2 but I would like to know the distribution. I mean he'll never show them, but whatever.

I just find it hard to believe a subreddit with at most has around 2,000 active redditors, even combined with other elements can somehow muster a stronger rally than a subreddit that has hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people on at all times. Yeah they don't all have to vote, still.


You're also forgetting that noone that plays LoL gives a s*** about generic overpriced hero #837. The percentage of LoL fans that would vote Draven is much lower than the percentage of Undertale fans.

That's why I applaud SB for removing LoL from the contest, since a rally for the game itself would be at least twice as strong as the Draven rally. In so much as a rally can have transitive strength (which it doesn't)


It's not only this, I strongly believe that League of Legends would have powerful Natural strength as well. Minimum top 10. No one actually cares about the LoL characters themselves but the game itself has a huge impact. Nothing would come even close to it's power if people rallied for it as hard as Undertale.
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
armitage999 posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Sorozone posted...
I didn't forget. I said majority. Tumblr would obviously be #2 but I would like to know the distribution. I mean he'll never show them, but whatever.

I just find it hard to believe a subreddit with at most has around 2,000 active redditors, even combined with other elements can somehow muster a stronger rally than a subreddit that has hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people on at all times. Yeah they don't all have to vote, still.


You're also forgetting that noone that plays LoL gives a s*** about generic overpriced hero #837. The percentage of LoL fans that would vote Draven is much lower than the percentage of Undertale fans.

That's why I applaud SB for removing LoL from the contest, since a rally for the game itself would be at least twice as strong as the Draven rally. In so much as a rally can have transitive strength (which it doesn't)


Wasn't Draven considered a middle of the road character that had a mixed following at the time of the contest? They also put Teemo in the contest, but everyone hated that guy.

Imagine if they put a more popular hero in the contest. Yikes.


I think you'd have a hard time finding a hero in a moba that has universal love like that. LoL suffers from a similar problem as FF6, where an ensemble cast means the characters are much weaker than the game proportionally.

I'd still have loved to see Dota2/LoL in a match, as bad as that would ruin the rest of the contest.


True, there's well over 120 heroes in that game. Right now, I dunno how gameguyz.com's rankings reflect the playerbase as a whole, I'm honestly unfamiliar with the game, but Vayne is the most played hero right now. Is she considered popular or is there another reason why she gets a lot of play.

Lee Sin and Yasuo also seem to get a lot of play.
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Sorozone posted...
Nah. I mostly just time trial. I can't really get into 8 though.

I didn't fully get into it, either. It was good, but they made it way too casual. Here's hoping that Nintendo's new system gets it right. I kind of doubt it, though.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Ulti's showing his ignorance again. The only pre-Draven rally that required a lot of outside support was Starcraft in 2004. Everything else was small potatoes and I don't think there were any results changed due to rallies, aside from the already super close matches like Frog/Chief or Frog/Liquid.


Planet Gamecube had to rally for Mario in 2002, and on top of that the match with Cloud happened on the day Sunshine came out. Both sides rallied like mad.

They have always been there in high-profile matches, or close matches. You know how something comes back, then there's usually a stall right when the tie happens? That's a rally, albeit on a smaller scale.

Leon my point is you can't just say something is fodder based on pre-rally numbers. Rallies are a part of something's strength. yoblazer banged this point home and it's worth repeating: contests are not won by math, and now more than ever before, every match is its own match. The first 17 hours of the Mass Effect 3 match isn't different from the last 7. I can see you hating them if your side barely wins though, I get it. Squall probably rallied to beat Luigi though, so hey!

This isn't about embracing something new. It's always been there. Social media has just made it go to a whole new level.
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ZFS posted...
This might be the best pic Ocarina of Time has ever gotten.

http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/bge20/r7/65-4.jpg

The other three don't do much for me.


It's not often people put my stuff over as the best, but thanks!
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Squall had rallies to win over Luigi. You heard it here first.

Holy crap.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Leon my point is you can't just say something is fodder based on pre-rally numbers.


Sure I can. If that rally never materializes, that game gets crushed. I doubt Undertale ever gets rallied like this if we ever have another Games Contest, and it'll go back to being a middle of the road game, strength-wise.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Squall probably rallied to beat Luigi though, so hey!


no need to bring baseless assumptions in here to try to justify rallying

or act like everything can turn 50/50 into 60/40

Squall certainly could not do that
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'It's freakin' Mario'? Nah, bro, it's freakin' rallies.
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ZFS posted...
Squall had rallies to win over Luigi. You heard it here first.

Holy crap.

wow ffviii's redemption DESTROYED
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someone tell me where these people rallied and I'll rally them next time myself

it's not like Squall proved he was stronger than Luigi in every contest after that or anything
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You know I feel strangely sane when Ulti is one of the guys waving a flag against me and loudly proclaiming I'm crazy

You guys sure you're on the right side here?
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2003 was no Square boost. It was a big Square rally.
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ZFS posted...
Squall had rallies to win over Luigi. You heard it here first.

Holy crap.


He was losing at the freeze bruh

First time we had ever seen the freeze loser win!
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Lopen posted...
You know I feel strangely sane when Ulti is one of the guys waving a flag against me and loudly proclaiming I'm crazy

You guys sure you're on the right side here?


Show me the proof Undertale cheated.
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the first time and the last time ever in contest history

that's why Squall is the best
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armitage999 posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
armitage999 posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Sorozone posted...
I didn't forget. I said majority. Tumblr would obviously be #2 but I would like to know the distribution. I mean he'll never show them, but whatever.

I just find it hard to believe a subreddit with at most has around 2,000 active redditors, even combined with other elements can somehow muster a stronger rally than a subreddit that has hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people on at all times. Yeah they don't all have to vote, still.


You're also forgetting that noone that plays LoL gives a s*** about generic overpriced hero #837. The percentage of LoL fans that would vote Draven is much lower than the percentage of Undertale fans.

That's why I applaud SB for removing LoL from the contest, since a rally for the game itself would be at least twice as strong as the Draven rally. In so much as a rally can have transitive strength (which it doesn't)


Wasn't Draven considered a middle of the road character that had a mixed following at the time of the contest? They also put Teemo in the contest, but everyone hated that guy.

Imagine if they put a more popular hero in the contest. Yikes.


I think you'd have a hard time finding a hero in a moba that has universal love like that. LoL suffers from a similar problem as FF6, where an ensemble cast means the characters are much weaker than the game proportionally.

I'd still have loved to see Dota2/LoL in a match, as bad as that would ruin the rest of the contest.


True, there's well over 120 heroes in that game. Right now, I dunno how gameguyz.com's rankings reflect the playerbase as a whole, I'm honestly unfamiliar with the game, but Vayne is the most played hero right now. Is she considered popular or is there another reason why she gets a lot of play.

Lee Sin and Yasuo also seem to get a lot of play.


The thing is that the most played champions are also some of the ones that people hates the most. Lee Sin could maybe be the exception, but characters like Yasuo or Riven (She's my favourite character) are hated a lot, it would happen the same thing as with pokemon RBY where people would not vote it because they hate they certain character/game.
ZFS posted...
2003 was no Square boost. It was a big Square rally.

Spring 2004 was the spillover

it all makes sense now
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UltimaterializerX posted...
He was losing at the freeze bruh

First time we had ever seen the freeze loser win!


Dude

Dude

Do you know where we are at
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It really makes you wonder how this contest will be run within the next 10 years after whatever new social media sensation comes out.
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Show me proof CATS wasn't rallied against vs Cloud in 2003

CATS was ahead after 1 minute after all.
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Like please run a Luigi vs Squall poll on the board

And then take those results and amplify them times a million and throw in a few emos

Because 2003 board 8 was not gentle to FF8
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So you have no proof.

Glad that's settled!
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I already said I have no proof

I have stronger evidence than "Bacon said there wasn't" though
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Remember that Squall/Luigi was the match that led CJayC to put the Level 15 user minimum requirement to post on Board 8 because there was so much whining and so many suicides.
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Undertale forgot that this contest is a game of golf. Whoops.
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Now where's your proof CATS wasn't the recipient of a brutal rally by Cloud in 2003
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Everyone rallies, man.

Cloud was the hot thing in 2003. You could just walk down the street and get people to vote for Cloud.
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Ahri and Gangplank and Donger would be pretty strong LoL characters.

Riven might be good too.
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Why are people so angrily passionate about video game popularity contests?

Gain some perspective and be civil in your arguments, please. You guys don't want to be on the next wave of GameFAQs mockery.
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xp1337 posted...

Spring 2004 was the spillover

it all makes sense now


The Nintendo Shift in 2005 was just a big ol' counterrally
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My favorite rally was 2003 when I talked people into rallying KKK boards to help Wario against Shadow!
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