GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1257
"Learn to like rallies because they're here to stay" is weak rationalization. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Ocarina of Time Please stomp those hipster rallies Undertale is s*** --- "This place has a nice view of Hod. And also... I promised someone." - Asch, Tales of the Abyss |
UltimaterializerX posted... It's not a good look when GameFAQs is known around the entire internet for whining too much every time a chosen one loses in a poll. If other sites had the balls to run contests like us, they'd all be known for that, too! GameSpot got known for their contests becoming 4chan-run jokes and they closed up shop! --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Man every time I post a Kotaku link to my friends they ask me why I am still going there It has become harder and harder to explain But after that article about this contest? yeah, I bid you farwell you piece of s*** of a site --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
This
topic is in a nonstop competition to earn my anti-vote tonight I see.
Can we add a write-in option please so I can anti-vote both of these
games? Lopen did some extensive analyses during the Draven run. Personally, I don't think there is that much to show stuffing, but we don't have enough data to dismiss it either. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
Now
that I think about it, that Kotaku article might be a f***ing horrible
thing to happen to Ocarina tomorrow. People are gonna see that, then
come over here and vote Undertale to spite us even more for being
'crybabies'. --- Video game companies don't care about you, so stop kissing their asses |
LeonhartFour posted... "Learn to like rallies because they're here to stay" is weak rationalization. I'm saying the endless whining is just as pointless as my rally efforts apparently are. The whole point of these contests are to drive site traffic so Allen isn't going to ban them. He'd sooner end the contests. So if you want more contests, get used to it. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
LeonhartFour posted... "Learn to like rallies because they're here to stay" is weak rationalization. Rallies have been here since 2002. --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest Congrats to DpOblivion in the guru! |
Reasons to lie about the vote stuffing btw: - Kinda invalidates a lot of the results in the contest and probably opens the contest to some sorta legal action from the people who were screwed over by it - It would be awful publicity for the site, because then you'd have people doing the reverse of what I'm doing right now and saying "no one cheated he just made it up so Undertale couldn't win!" and suddenly GameFAQs looks like the bad guy. - Canning the Undertale rally kills a ton of the traffic for the site, which is the point of these contests to begin with (keep in mind I'm not saying there isn't a rally backing this stuff, just that there is enough shady stuff going on that you can pretty much ignore it) Compared to his motivation to tell the truth - To be... a good person? But sure, just assume that the only time games cheat is for the losing game every time, and that despite League of Legends having a massive playerbase and one of the highest nomination totals from b8 (among games that missed-- most games with similar totals made it) it just missed the bracket, and that randomly Undertale gets huge surges of votes when it's about to be passed up, and that rallies from other things in the contest have you know, made actual spikes with sharp drop offs like how you'd expect a rally to work instead of a sustained vote total increase for hours on end, or that Bacon's "data" about Reddit being the highest vote referral makes no damn sense in the opening rounds when Tumblr was the main rally presence we saw. Just saying a lot of what he feeds us doesn't add up, and there is motivation for him to lie, and he has lied, and been caught in it. So why exactly should we assume he's telling the truth here? --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! (edited 12/14/2015 3:55:30 PM)report |
DaruniaTheGoron posted... The whole point of these contests are to drive site traffic so Allen isn't going to ban them. It's the point for Allen, so throwing this out here is weak justification, too. The site's traffic numbers mean literally nothing to anyone who isn't getting paid by this site. I've never called for Allen to ban rallies either. I am well aware they are within the rules, always have been, and always will be. Doesn't mean I have to like them. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
UltimaterializerX posted... LeonhartFour posted..."Learn to like rallies because they're here to stay" is weak rationalization. Time for a test: did GameFAQs choose Cloud as a champion, or did he need rallies? You only get one shot at this. --- satoru iwata |
Seven. Seven games' souls, and I will become a God. Six. That's how many I have collected thus far. Understand? Through OoT's seventh and final soul, this website will be transformed. --- DETERMINATION |
And
yeah, I don't have understand discouraging people from rallying for OOT
tonight, unless you're saying Undertale is stuffing (and a lot of the
descriptions of UT's rallies by people saying OOT fans shouldn't even
try are indistinguishable from stuffing). If it isnt stuffing, OOT is
up against the most powerful rally we've ever seen, so why shouldn't it
counterrally? --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
UltimaterializerX posted... Rallies have been here since 2002. Again, please stop with this. Don't try to equate what Undertale and Draven did to what happened before the last two contests. If people want to rally back and forth between two things that would have been close anyway, sure, knock yourself out. When rallies turn fodder into champions, that's when rallies become unfun. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
MechanicalWall posted... Now that I think about it, that Kotaku article might be a f***ing horrible thing to happen to Ocarina tomorrow. People are gonna see that, then come over here and vote Undertale to spite us even more for being 'crybabies'. Yeah she wasn't being neutral at all The whole article was pretty much "go vote Undertale and piss GameFAQs off" --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
spoilers: Mario wasn't fodder --- satoru iwata |
I
thought OoT was kind of meh and didnt even finish it. not in the same
league as some of the other heavyweights. also no GTA5? Thats already a
classic. (edited 12/14/2015 4:01:25 PM)report |
http://dreemurr-reborn.tumblr.com/post/135176574521/get-ready-to-vote-folks-tomorrow-is-judgement Looks like they're ready. This'll be interesting. --- I completely apologize for the preceding post. I don't know what I was thinking. |
Nanis23 posted...
Well at this point you're gonna need to swear off half the Internet --- satoru iwata |
LeonhartFour posted... DaruniaTheGoron posted...The whole point of these contests are to drive site traffic so Allen isn't going to ban them. I'm not trying to justify it through that way dude. I'm only saying it is pointless to whine about over and over because it has always been this way and always will be. It just drags the place down. Thought you didn't want to get involved in this discussion anymore anyway? --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... This conspiracy theory bulls*** is getting ridiculous. Hey a******s, here's a reality check for you: Undertale makes less sense than Draven --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
LeonhartFour posted... UltimaterializerX posted...Rallies have been here since 2002. KH is saying counterrallies from STRONG games are terrible. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
Yeah
Undertale doesn't make any sense. Especially if its true that the
majority are coming from Reddit. It's a super, super, super small
subreddit compared to the likes of LoL, yet it somehow manages to beat
Draven rallies? OK. --- http://i.imgur.com/dpIEizf.gif |
DaruniaTheGoron posted... Thought you didn't want to get involved in this discussion anymore anyway? I don't, but people won't stop talking about it and there's nothing else to talk about today. People expressing negative opinions doesn't "drag the place down." This is a forum for expressing your opinion, whatever it may be. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
JDTAY posted... http://dreemurr-reborn.tumblr.com/post/135176574521/get-ready-to-vote-folks-tomorrow-is-judgement No it won't. That's been the whole problem with this rally, we lost a bunch of epic matchups in the later rounds to a game that any sane person has long since realized is going to easily win the contest. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy -trancer1 lol xstats |
DaruniaTheGoron posted... KH is saying counterrallies from STRONG games are terrible. Rallies suck in general. What Melee did sucked because it wasn't in CT's league without it and we've gotten fewer interesting matches this contest because of all this mass rallying, not more. If Ocarina can at least prove me wrong and make it look like it can actually compete with Undertale's rallying, more power to you, and it'll be the most interesting Undertale match since the first one. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
It
seems like rallying has become this weird metagame for some of you
guys. That's cool if you're into that, but you gotta realize a lot of
people aren't and don't care to get that invested in their video game
winning a match. --- satoru iwata |
Sorozone posted... Yeah Undertale doesn't make any sense. Especially if its true that the majority are coming from Reddit. It's a super, super, super small subreddit compared to the likes of LoL, yet it somehow manages to beat Draven rallies? You forgot Tumblr, and Steam, and Youtubers. --- What's wrong with the world these days is people don't have any common sense. http://i.imgur.com/rSLadBM.png |
Sorozone posted... Yeah Undertale doesn't make any sense. Especially if its true that the majority are coming from Reddit. It's a super, super, super small subreddit compared to the likes of LoL, yet it somehow manages to beat Draven rallies? I don't think you realize just how low the votals are, and how few people it takes to push a game nowadays. It was never about 'beating' the Draven rallies. Rallies by their very nature don't have transitive strength, since a rally heavily relies upon coming from behind in order to succeed. That's why OoT has no chance tomorrow, and why Melee/SMW/Pokemon all failed to beat it. The pasty pre-pubescent whales on tublr all come home from drama club at 5pm and see their beloved game losing to something 'mainstream'. As much as I hate the term, 'plucky underdog' is why the rallies succeed. Hell, it's the reason why L-Block beat Link, and that didn't even require outside help. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy -trancer1 lol xstats |
I
didn't forget. I said majority. Tumblr would obviously be #2 but I
would like to know the distribution. I mean he'll never show them, but
whatever. I just find it hard to believe a subreddit with at most has around 2,000 active redditors, even combined with other elements can somehow muster a stronger rally than a subreddit that has hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people on at all times. Yeah they don't all have to vote, still. --- http://i.imgur.com/dpIEizf.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... UltimaterializerX posted...Rallies have been here since 2002. If something is truly fodder, would it really get rallied? It's not like we're about to crown Mario Party 10 or The Immortal or Madden as our contest champion. These winning rallies are not as random as people think they are. --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest Congrats to DpOblivion in the guru! |
Your entire post is predicated on the pre-assumption that there's cheating. Lopen posted... - Kinda invalidates a lot of the results in the contest and probably opens the contest to some sorta legal action from the people who were screwed over by it Rules prevent this. We've already had results changed by a removal of votes in the past. - It would be awful publicity for the site, because then you'd have people doing the reverse of what I'm doing right now and saying "no one cheated he just made it up so Undertale couldn't win!" and suddenly If you believe that removing stuffed votes would provide a lot of publicity for the contest regardless, then wouldn't this not be an issue either way? GameSpot removed plenty of votes from their contests. People were fine with it (except the cheaters). But sure, just assume that the only time games cheat is for the losing game every time, Losing games have more reason to cheat. and that despite League of Legends having a massive playerbase and one of the highest nomination totals from b8 (among games that missed-- most games with similar totals made it) it just missed the bracket, LoL had a fairly average B8 nomination total. And while it's playerbase is massive, that means jack of they don't show up and don't care. That's why we don't have 6 Call of Duty games in the bracket. I didn't see the LoL board care about the nomination period and all, and they're the only place that would've supported LoL. NOWHERE else on GameFAQs gives much of a s*** about it. and that randomly Undertale gets huge surges of votes when it's about to be passed up People push back when they're threatened. Entirely normal. Also happened with Draven and Melee. and that rallies from other things in the contest have you know, made actual spikes with sharp drop offs like how you'd expect a rally to work instead of a sustained vote total increase for hours on end Melee did that against Chrono Trigger. Draven did that every time. or that Bacon's "data" about Reddit being the highest vote referral makes no damn sense in the opening rounds when Tumblr was the main rally presence we saw. And why would he have any reason to lie about this? If there was a grand conspiracy he could easily have just said it was tumblr. He frequents the board and knows what we look at. You're basically tin foil hatting to a ridiculous degree. And honestly if this is the direction the stats topic is going in I think I'm out for a few days. Whining is one thing, whining and conspiracy theories is a bit much. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
ZFS posted... It seems like rallying has become this weird metagame for some of you guys. That's cool if you're into that, but you gotta realize a lot of people aren't and don't care to get that invested in their video game winning a match. It seems like contest strength has become this weird metagame for some of you guys. That's cool if you're into that, but you gotta realize a lot of people aren't and don't care to get that invested in their video game winning a match. --- While some people cry, others win the Guru Contest. Congratulations to DPOblivion! |
Also
that Kotaku article murdered any shot Ocarina had at winning. People
have been reveling in taking out the chosen ones on this site since
2007. --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest Congrats to DpOblivion in the guru! |
UltimaterializerX posted... If something is truly fodder, would it really get rallied? Madden is a ridiculously popular franchise, so that doesn't really help your case. It's very popular. Just not here. Like League of Legends. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Lopen you're nuts if you think Undertale cheated. --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest Congrats to DpOblivion in the guru! |
Fine, remove Madden from my example. Point still stands. And rallies have been here since 2002. You guys just don't like who they support now. I didn't see anyone complaining about Melee yesterday, EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE WHINED WHEN IT RALLIED TO BEAT CHRONO TRIGGER. LeonhartFour posted... If people want to rally back and forth between two things that would have been close anyway, sure, knock yourself out. PEOPLE WHINED WHEN MELEE RALLIED TO BEAT CHRONO TRIGGER Melee, an all-time game, got rallied and people HATED it until it went up against "oh man rallies are bad unless I agree with them". Melee, by itself, proved how dumb the double standard is. It's like dumping a girl because her boobs are fake. Motherf***er you have a naked girl in front of you, who cares if she had a boob job? --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest Congrats to DpOblivion in the guru! |
Sorozone posted... I didn't forget. I said majority. Tumblr would obviously be #2 but I would like to know the distribution. I mean he'll never show them, but whatever. Undertale fans have a stronger unification than most fandoms (despite some of them getting out of line), from what I've noticed. That and it's more or less been one hell of a snowball effect. --- What's wrong with the world these days is people don't have any common sense. http://i.imgur.com/rSLadBM.png |
UltimaterializerX posted... LeonhartFour posted...UltimaterializerX posted...Rallies have been here since 2002. Undertale was literally fodder when this contest started what --- satoru iwata |
ZeldaTPLink posted... ZFS posted...It seems like rallying has become this weird metagame for some of you guys. That's cool if you're into that, but you gotta realize a lot of people aren't and don't care to get that invested in their video game winning a match. "Become"? --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. Congrats to CBIX Guru Winner *Raytan*! |
UltimaterializerX posted... And rallies have been here since 2002. You guys just don't like who they support now. Rallies have almost literally never worked in the favor of something I liked. In fact, I can't even think of one offhand where it did. UltimaterializerX posted... PEOPLE WHINED WHEN MELEE RALLIED TO BEAT CHRONO TRIGGER That match would not have been close without the rally. It was 60/40 at best and that's being generous to Melee. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
UltimaterializerX posted... I didn't see anyone complaining about Melee yesterday, EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE WHINED WHEN IT RALLIED TO BEAT CHRONO TRIGGER. man i literally quoted a post of yours saying something to this effect and expressed my disapproval during melee/undertale what more can i do does everyone really want to hear how much i hate rallies in wall of text form? because i don't really want to --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? |
Basically yeah I don't have absolute evidence that there's cheating afoot. Because I can't with the data I have. I do however take offense to being called a crackpot just because Bacon says different, particularly when I've looked at the data we do have more extensively than pretty much all of you. Hell I'd even venture I've probably done more meaningful analysis on the data as a whole than Bacon, despite having access to less, simply because I think Bacon frankly doesn't actually give a crap about any of it, and given what he's provided us as evidence I think is just doing cursory glances at the votes to throw out factoids about the data to appease people (or doesn't know how to meaningfully analyze the extra data he does have) than actually trying to investigate anything. You'll note I never accused L-Block of cheating, despite hating that thing to death at the time (I've over time grown more fond of it and miss those days). Hell I didn't even accuse Melee of cheating vs CT, and then turned around and said "yeah it's cheating too" in the next round. It's not a matter of me just being some paranoid raver-- there are actual patterns in the voting that I'm using to distinguish rallying from outright cheating. Now it may be somewhat colored analysis cause you know, I'm human, but I can admit I'm wrong too. Honestly at this point I'm more irritated by having my intelligence insulted (Bacon's word being accepted blindly is just lol) than by the cheating itself. I mean hell pure preference I'd rather Undertale win than Ocarina at this point cause I hate Ocarina and Undertale is okay, and a rally/cheat entry winning again isn't really much worse than the status quo winning here. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Sorozone posted... I didn't forget. I said majority. Tumblr would obviously be #2 but I would like to know the distribution. I mean he'll never show them, but whatever. You're also forgetting that noone that plays LoL gives a s*** about generic overpriced hero #837. The percentage of LoL fans that would vote Draven is much lower than the percentage of Undertale fans. That's why I applaud SB for removing LoL from the contest, since a rally for the game itself would be at least twice as strong as the Draven rally. In so much as a rally can have transitive strength (which it doesn't) --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy -trancer1 lol xstats |
ZeldaTPLink posted... It seems like contest strength has become this weird metagame for some of you guys. That's cool if you're into that, but you gotta realize a lot of people aren't and don't care to get that invested in their video game winning a match. Now wait a minute how are you not invested in your game winning a match if you're rallying for it! --- satoru iwata |
Well, it's just that most don't like (when) rallies flip a 40% loss or worse into a victory. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." (edited 12/14/2015 4:20:11 PM)report |
