Averia posted...
ZFS posted...
But really, the fact that Ocarina has no one (comparatively) in its corner is the biggest issue going into this. That's the real difference between this and Draven. GameFAQs was a united front on that match, but I feel like Undertale's sales have boosted with each contest win as more people play it and hear about it and then wanna vote for it. That and Melee burned people out on caring to rally. The lead up to this got ruined because Melee is terrible


That Melee rallying was so pointless. Prevented us from seeing FFVII vs CT, buried FFVII higher than UT would have (if you care about stats) , and in the end, it killed CT and FFVII and brought nothing to the table. Sure it had some huge spikes/votals, but Undertale was never in danger.


Well it was in danger for like 10 minutes until it noped the f*** out of it.

But still those were some glorious 10 minutes.
Well I got one facebook page to say they will make a post about it when the match starts and then a second one tomorrow as well. It's only a 19k liked page so probably won't do that much but this is how Zelda having any sort of chance starts.
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red sox 777 posted...
Also, I'd like to point out that for all this talk of rallies on demand, we've never actually seen a rally produce more than 2 big waves in a 24-hour period- one at night when the poll opens, another in the day.


Big waves that sustain for hours and hours

And a third wave has never been needed

If it's needed, it will come
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JJH777 posted...
Well I got one facebook page to say they will make a post about it when the match starts and then a second one tomorrow as well. It's only a 19k liked page so probably won't do that much but this is how Zelda having any sort of chance starts.


This

This is your proof that people have learned nothing
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Karma Hunter posted...
JJH777 posted...
Well I got one facebook page to say they will make a post about it when the match starts and then a second one tomorrow as well. It's only a 19k liked page so probably won't do that much but this is how Zelda having any sort of chance starts.


This

This is your proof that people have learned nothing


Well, I mean, at least they're trying.
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Karma Hunter posted...
JJH777 posted...
Well I got one facebook page to say they will make a post about it when the match starts and then a second one tomorrow as well. It's only a 19k liked page so probably won't do that much but this is how Zelda having any sort of chance starts.


This

This is your proof that people have learned nothing


It's not about winning.
12/14/2015 2:34:34 PM#107
It was not in any real danger, as it took all that rallying just to catch up to even. It was in greater danger against Pokemon. Pokemon tanked the first wave without losing a single hour, and was up 7000+ as the ASV began and Undertale could barely cut 200 an hour.

I mean, people were calling the match for Pokemon for a couple hours. I think most everyone here yesterday knew Undertale was almost certainly going to win, even during the height of Melee's morning rush.
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Karma Hunter posted...
It's people catching onto the contest and spreading it everywhere. Tumblr, reddit, random gaming message boards, irc chats, I've seen it all.


Dammit
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Probably old as dirt by now, but as expected SBAllen dropped the equivalent of "Melee was stuffing at a 2:1 ratio"

Bacon posted...

Undertale isn't vote stuffing. The biggest attempted vote stuff yesterday was a guy who used a bot to create 643 accounts and vote... for SSBM. He, like all other cheaters, were easily caught and their votes ignored.

If we restricted voting just to Comcast users in the US (the most popular ISP, with around 15% of the total vote), UT wins 51.13% to 48.87%, which is extremely close to the actual result.

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Karma Hunter posted...
JJH777 posted...
Well I got one facebook page to say they will make a post about it when the match starts and then a second one tomorrow as well. It's only a 19k liked page so probably won't do that much but this is how Zelda having any sort of chance starts.


This

This is your proof that people have learned nothing


I never bought into the Pokemon and Smash hype so there was nothing for me to learn. After SMW lost Zelda was always the only potential answer. Link was the only one who truly stood up to Draven rallies not Mewtwo or Snake. If one of the facebook pages with over 400k likes rallies for Zelda the match is over and there are a decent amount of them. I just wish I could stay at home and message different ones all day.
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I think you guys have deflated the last bit of HOPE here

Between all this and the new OOT anti-votes at the start of the match yuck
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JJH777 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
JJH777 posted...
Well I got one facebook page to say they will make a post about it when the match starts and then a second one tomorrow as well. It's only a 19k liked page so probably won't do that much but this is how Zelda having any sort of chance starts.


This

This is your proof that people have learned nothing


I never bought into the Pokemon and Smash hype so there was nothing for me to learn. After SMW lost Zelda was always the only potential answer. Link was the only one who truly stood up to Draven rallies not Mewtwo or Snake. If one of the facebook pages with over 400k likes rallies for Zelda the match is over and there are a decent amount of them. I just wish I could stay at home and message different ones all day.


Actually those rallies for Link against Draven. It gave Link it's greatest cut of the match.
Still wasn't enough though, so even if they rally, the match will still be far from over.
ZFS posted...
I think you guys have deflated the last bit of HOPE here

Between all this and the new OOT anti-votes at the start of the match yuck

i'll be pretending i have hope. if i can.

but really it's all been gone since the moment NOTED ELITE GAMEFAQS TITAN Mass Effect 3 lost
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TheCodeisBosco posted...
ZFS posted...
But really, the fact that Ocarina has no one (comparatively) in its corner is the biggest issue going into this. That's the real difference between this and Draven. GameFAQs was a united front on that match, but I feel like Undertale's sales have boosted with each contest win as more people play it and hear about it and then wanna vote for it. That and Melee burned people out on caring to rally. The lead up to this got ruined because Melee is terrible


It was pretty awe-inspiring how universally opposed to Draven this site was.

Undertale has nothing on him. People -hated- Draven. Mainly because of how awful the LoL kiddies were during the contest, I'd wager. I know that's the main reason I hated that result - the Draven character himself had nothing to do with it.


To be honest here, I don't see much of a difference between the LoL fans and guys like Ulti have been this contest.
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Averia posted...
JJH777 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
JJH777 posted...
Well I got one facebook page to say they will make a post about it when the match starts and then a second one tomorrow as well. It's only a 19k liked page so probably won't do that much but this is how Zelda having any sort of chance starts.


This

This is your proof that people have learned nothing


I never bought into the Pokemon and Smash hype so there was nothing for me to learn. After SMW lost Zelda was always the only potential answer. Link was the only one who truly stood up to Draven rallies not Mewtwo or Snake. If one of the facebook pages with over 400k likes rallies for Zelda the match is over and there are a decent amount of them. I just wish I could stay at home and message different ones all day.


Actually those rallies for Link against Draven. It gave Link it's greatest cut of the match.
Still wasn't enough though, so even if they rally, the match will still be far from over.


The only big facebook page that rallied for Link during the Draven match was the Skyward Sword page I thought? That page has no where near 400k likes. I'm talking about the Zeldainformer, Zeldadungeon, and Zeldauniverse pages.
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TheCodeisBosco posted...
WhiteLens posted...
TheCodeisBosco posted...
WhiteLens posted...
Still doesn't top Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/943695-fire-emblem-shadow-dragon/stats

'lol'


What's the story behind this? I'm not too familiar with the Fire Emblem franchise.

People just consider it a lazy remake with poor design and hate everything about it.

Still don't think it warrants the mass 0.5 ratings but that's the fanbase for ya.


Ah, so they "FireRed/LeafGreen'd" it. I see.

If I were to start playing Fire Emblem, where would be the best starting point? Probably the first GBA one we received in the states, yeah?

Probably, yeah. They force an overly-lengthy tutorial on you the first time through the game which is basically fine for when the series is new to you but might be very annoying otherwise - so not playing it first may make it an issue if you leave it for later. And it's a very good game outside of that and, before Awakening came out, it was the entry point for most western fans of the series.
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JJH777 posted...
Averia posted...
JJH777 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
JJH777 posted...
Well I got one facebook page to say they will make a post about it when the match starts and then a second one tomorrow as well. It's only a 19k liked page so probably won't do that much but this is how Zelda having any sort of chance starts.


This

This is your proof that people have learned nothing


I never bought into the Pokemon and Smash hype so there was nothing for me to learn. After SMW lost Zelda was always the only potential answer. Link was the only one who truly stood up to Draven rallies not Mewtwo or Snake. If one of the facebook pages with over 400k likes rallies for Zelda the match is over and there are a decent amount of them. I just wish I could stay at home and message different ones all day.


Actually those rallies for Link against Draven. It gave Link it's greatest cut of the match.
Still wasn't enough though, so even if they rally, the match will still be far from over.


The only big facebook page that rallied for Link during the Draven match was the Skyward Sword page I thought? That page has no where near 400k likes. I'm talking about the Zeldainformer, Zeldadungeon, and Zeldauniverse pages.


I think it was a thing with more than 200k back then. Don't ask me which one it was, I don't use facebook.
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JJH777 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
JJH777 posted...
Well I got one facebook page to say they will make a post about it when the match starts and then a second one tomorrow as well. It's only a 19k liked page so probably won't do that much but this is how Zelda having any sort of chance starts.


This

This is your proof that people have learned nothing


I never bought into the Pokemon and Smash hype so there was nothing for me to learn. After SMW lost Zelda was always the only potential answer. Link was the only one who truly stood up to Draven rallies not Mewtwo or Snake. If one of the facebook pages with over 400k likes rallies for Zelda the match is over and there are a decent amount of them. I just wish I could stay at home and message different ones all day.


No, the only game in UT's path that had a chance after SMW lost was Pokemon. The only hope Pokemon had was that these pasty overweight 15 year old girls would let their Pokemon yaoi fanfiction love override their love of a mediocre JRPG that 'speaks to them'
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This is why Undertale's going to come with everything it's got to harvest this gold mine of saltiness

At least this OoT talk isn't as silly as the people who thought Melee could win the contest
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OrangeCrush980 posted...
Probably old as dirt by now, but as expected SBAllen dropped the equivalent of "Melee was stuffing at a 2:1 ratio"

Bacon posted...

Undertale isn't vote stuffing. The biggest attempted vote stuff yesterday was a guy who used a bot to create 643 accounts and vote... for SSBM. He, like all other cheaters, were easily caught and their votes ignored.

If we restricted voting just to Comcast users in the US (the most popular ISP, with around 15% of the total vote), UT wins 51.13% to 48.87%, which is extremely close to the actual result.


Just for the record this literally means nothing

Like even if vote stuffing was at some point caught he kinda can't admit it since cash prizes are on the line. I'm pretty sure there would actually be legal issues at this point since the methods caught were no doubt used in previous rounds and skewed results.

That of course assumes that anything was able to be caught by the antiquated methods of this site to begin with, which I doubt, but yeah, just saying putting your fingers in your ears and lalalaing is really the only option here.
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Lopen posted...
OrangeCrush980 posted...
Probably old as dirt by now, but as expected SBAllen dropped the equivalent of "Melee was stuffing at a 2:1 ratio"

Bacon posted...

Undertale isn't vote stuffing. The biggest attempted vote stuff yesterday was a guy who used a bot to create 643 accounts and vote... for SSBM. He, like all other cheaters, were easily caught and their votes ignored.

If we restricted voting just to Comcast users in the US (the most popular ISP, with around 15% of the total vote), UT wins 51.13% to 48.87%, which is extremely close to the actual result.


Just for the record this literally means nothing

Like even if vote stuffing was at some point caught he kinda can't admit it since cash prizes are on the line. I'm pretty sure there would actually be legal issues at this point since the methods caught were no doubt used in previous rounds and skewed results.

That of course assumes that anything was able to be caught by the antiquated methods of this site to begin with, which I doubt, but yeah, just saying putting your fingers in your ears and lalalaing is really the only option here.


Hey he caught those 600 accounts bots. That's shows that the methods aren't inexistent.
(yes I know this means nothing)
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truly these are dark times

in fact i think it will be the plot of zelda wii u

this is the crisis link will save us from
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Targets!

1 AM: -1000
2 AM: 0
6 AM: 2000
3 PM: 12000
11 PM: 1000
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xp1337 posted...
truly these are dark times

in fact i think it will be the plot of zelda wii u

this is the crisis link will save us from


You just can't help yourself from slipping into kayfabe even in the midst of no hope can you
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xp1337 posted...
truly these are dark times

in fact i think it will be the plot of zelda wii u

this is the crisis link will save us from


If OoT wins do we go back to the pre-rally timeline
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Averia posted...

Hey he caught those 600 accounts bots.


I know you were being facetious here but I would put money on him having just made that up entirely.
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Janus5k posted...
xp1337 posted...
truly these are dark times

in fact i think it will be the plot of zelda wii u

this is the crisis link will save us from


If OoT wins do we go back to the pre-rally timeline


No, this was the plan. To draw out the rally and gather it all in one place. Then destroy it!

Or be destroyed.
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Karma Hunter posted...

You just can't help yourself from slipping into kayfabe even in the midst of no hope can you

i really can't

it's all that's keeping me going here
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TheCodeisBosco posted...
Ah, so they "FireRed/LeafGreen'd" it. I see.

If I were to start playing Fire Emblem, where would be the best starting point? Probably the first GBA one we received in the states, yeah?

Well, unlike Shadow Dragon, FR/LG is well praised as a remake.

The one on GBA that's just called Fire Emblem is good entry point. I think it was designed with the idea that it would get localized because of all the tutorials that were put in the game.

Oddly enough, Shadow Dragon would be a good entry point too because it is a remake of the very first game.
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Lopen posted...
Averia posted...

Hey he caught those 600 accounts bots.


I know you were being facetious here but I would put money on him having just made that up entirely.


I'm sure he saw Luster's statistic about 2200 accounts being created yesterday and ran with it.
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transcience posted...
I mean, Allen confirmed earlier today that it was just rallying, and I'll take that over unsubstantiated claims. I don't want to go down that road but its pretty clear that the Internet is out to push Undertale. good luck rallying Zelda. I'd love to see someone try though.


This is the difference between Undertale and Draven. Draven was responsive, sure, but it was nothing like what happened to Melee when it started to catch up, and it was a single community with a very large pool. Undertale kinda started that way but has turned into a different kind of rally, one that can respond instantly to a narrowing of the vote.

I'm not ruling anything out because a yellow site banner definitely changes the equation. But it's revisionist history to claim that Undertale showed anything in the first few rounds comparable to what it showed against Melee. That instant response to a very large rally was completely different from previous trends by both Undertale and Draven. Up until that point it was still feasible (based on the numbers we had) that OoT could use a yellow site banner to stay within striking distance and possibly try for a late push. After the Melee match, it doesn't look like the Undertale rallyers will allow it to stay any closer than 3k-4k votes.

Or maybe that was a fluke match since it happened on Sunday and we'll see more ASV trends, with OoT actually holding the lead through lunch. Then the deluge comes and the match is over barring some crazy rally from Smash Direct and/or other nintendo boards.

Here's also something to remember: as much as we talk and plan on these boards, it was clear that when Link fought Draven there was a LOT of rallying for him that didn't get announced here until it already happened. If those rallyers are still around for this year's contest, there may be some low-level support that isn't accounted for.

Last and not least...we were doing a LOT of planning for LSD as well but there was very little hope of actually beating Draven before the match started. Not quite as apathetic as we are about tomorrow's match, but we were really desperate because Draven was beyond anything we'd rallied before. The reason that match will always be the greatest contest match is that Link made two comebacks despite every pre-match indication that such a thing wouldn't happen if Draven got a big lead.

tl;dr--as bleak as tomorrow looks, we can't forget that Link facing Draven looked pretty damn bleak too. And it turned out pretty awesome. Slim hope is still hope :)
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LeonhartFour posted...
Undertale is more like L-Block than Draven. Every corner of the internet is getting in on it, and large portions of Board 8 are on board with it, too. Draven was truly a heel in every sense of the word. Undertale is just the plucky underdog.


Yeah, this. I would vote for Undertale in a heartbeat over anything related to Draven or LoL. Just not over OoT :P
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I can say with 100% certainty that the Starchild is the reason Undertale got out of the first round at all tbqh


all it needed was 500 ME3 anti-voters
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Undertale is just the plucky underdog


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Julian_Caesar posted...
Up until that point it was still feasible (based on the numbers we had) that OoT could use a yellow site banner to stay within striking distance and possibly try for a late push.

Ehhh... I disagree. I'm not going to go back and try to chronicle my exact positions on this by checking old stats topics, but I think it was...

After ME3: Undertale probably has this. RBY and OoT might have a shot but I REALLY wouldn't count on it.
After Fallout 3: Undertale has this. RBY and OoT literally need massive outside help now.
After SMW: Undertale has this unless there's a Nintendo Direct that tells everyone to vote against it.

It didn't take Melee, or even RBY, for the hope to die. At least not for me.
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I'm not saying I believe that! I'm just saying that's the public perception of it.
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xp1337 posted...
Julian_Caesar posted...
Up until that point it was still feasible (based on the numbers we had) that OoT could use a yellow site banner to stay within striking distance and possibly try for a late push.

Ehhh... I disagree. I'm not going to go back and try to chronicle my exact positions on this by checking old stats topics, but I think it was...

After ME3: Undertale probably has this. RBY and OoT might have a shot but I REALLY wouldn't count on it.
After Fallout 3: Undertale has this. RBY and OoT literally need massive outside help now.
After SMW: Undertale has this unless there's a Nintendo Direct that tells everyone to vote against it.

It didn't take Melee, or even RBY, for the hope to die. At least not for me.


Fallout/SMW matches showed a nearly identical number of rallied votes for Undertale, and identical ASV trends. RBY showed similar trends with a higher number of rallied votes (40-45k for Fallout/SMW, ~55k for RBY). It was assumed that those would continue to increase as the contest went on. However considering that GameFAQs votals do the same thing and a conservative guess on yellow site banner was that votes could be boosted from 55k to 80-85k, that put OoT on roughly equal footing with a finals-boosted Undertale rally (i.e. 75k or so). However the Melee match showed that Undertale had a much larger possible boost if needed, to the point that it rallied more votes than GameFAQs would likely draw even with a banner.

So from my perspective, it wasn't actually that bleak until Melee got smacked down.
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