Look at that difference

it just goes to show how people just vote for nintendo, regardless of the quality of the game

Once again; you deserve undertale
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

I think you are the one who didn't pay attention
Backfire doesn't exist for Undertale ot it's minimal at beat
It doesn't matter if it's Mario, Pokemon or f*** the entire Nintendi cast
Why would OOT be different?
We are dealing with the most dronish community in the history of the Internet


...Because it's f***ing OoT. That is literally all that needs be said on this subject. Are you seriously trying to argue this with me? We went from Ultimate Draven doubling Ryu and X combined and having a backfire rate of something like 5% or so to having a neck and neck match with Link in the immediately following round. Zelda doesn't care about how brokenly powerful you are, it's a series that is too goddamn heavily respected to not cause any rallies against it to massively backfire. We went through this song and dance of 'a match against Zelda is gonna be close!' once already in 2013 Nanis. Let's not argue this over and over again, shall we?


Oot has lost a step and undertale has been bandwagoned on GameFAQs. Yes round 1 it would have been 75-25 but at this point it'll probably be more like 60-40
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...

I think you are the one who didn't pay attention
Backfire doesn't exist for Undertale ot it's minimal at beat
It doesn't matter if it's Mario, Pokemon or f*** the entire Nintendi cast
Why would OOT be different?
We are dealing with the most dronish community in the history of the Internet


...Because it's f***ing OoT. That is literally all that needs be said on this subject. Are you seriously trying to argue this with me? We went from Ultimate Draven doubling Ryu and X combined and having a backfire rate of something like 5% or so to having a neck and neck match with Link in the immediately following round. Zelda doesn't care about how brokenly powerful you are, it's a series that is too goddamn heavily respected to not cause any rallies against it to massively backfire. We went through this song and dance of 'a match against Zelda is gonna be close!' once already in 2013 Nanis. Let's not argue this over and over again, shall we?


Oot has lost a step and undertale has been bandwagoned on GameFAQs. Yes round 1 it would have been 75-25 but at this point it'll probably be more like 60-40


60-40 for Undertale sounds likely.
LeonhartFour posted...
Oblivion didn't finish that far behind RE4 and MGS3 in 2009 and it got almost 44% on Wind Waker.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3500-division-7-final-mgs3-oblivion-zelda-tp-re4

At the very least, I have a hard time thinking it's not stronger than MGS2, unless we think Skyrim made the game fade away.


That is exactly what I think at least among casual fans of the series, and hardcore fans always preferred morrowind. This is mostly anecdotal though.
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I don't think Zelda has a nonzero chance mostly because of what link did with Draven. But undertale is setting records. And undertale voters clearly liked Pokemon and smash Bros (spillover in previous rounds) and it still rolled over them.
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
I don't think Zelda has a nonzero chance mostly because of what link did with Draven.


I'm really not getting the feeling that people here are ready to mobilize for Ocarina of Time the same way they were for Link, though. It's seriously starting to feel that even a lot of board regulars are fine with Undertale rolling over Zelda at this point.
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If Undertale wins it will be in its usual range, meaning around 52%.
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Yeah, there's no sense of collective effort here to support Link like against Draven. It's not going to be as easy to rally Zelda on the fly like it was Melee.
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You guys were right about Undertale. The nature of its rally led me to believe it'd meet stiff resistance from RBY and if it makes that far, get curb stomped by oot. But Undertale's rally power has proven to be highly elastic to say the least. Its 2-5% margin of victory is no coincidence. I'm not totally counting out oot, but I doubt it can get rallied like Link.
The morale factor is real. Draven and Undertale broke gamefaqs' spirit. Also helps that Undertale is basically uncounterable since it has developed an immediate comeback quirk. Too stronk.
Link will come to town and the people are waiting for him with torches and pitchforks. All hail Undetale, the new king.

Also if one of the blogs i messaged actually posts a rally I'm taking credit for that :P
On unrelated note
When is OOT going to stop rising what the f***
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Lynx_7 posted...
The morale factor is real. Draven and Undertale broke gamefaqs' spirit. Also helps that Undertale is basically uncounterable since it has developed an immediate comeback quirk. Too stronk.
Link will come to town and the people are waiting for him with torches and pitchforks. All hail Undetale, the new king.

Also if one of the blogs i messaged actually posts a rally I'm taking credit for that :P


Undertale is much worse than Draven
At least we had hopes against Draven, but whenever we had any chance of beating Undertale...it acted like the wounded animal it is and made a comeback
It f***ing came back from 7500 votes againt Pokemon for f*** sake
It's match had the highest amount of votes in 1vs1 format and won it

Not sure how but this is stronger than Draven
A indie game released 2 months ago stronger than a character from the most popular video game in the world which has 20k people online at any given time at the subreddit
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I don't think Undertale will blow OoT out simply because it always seems to have just enough votes to win. Like it'll hover around 51-52% despite the fact that the Melee match should have it winning huge.

It'll be the most deceptive "close" match in that we'll all know that if OoT showed any signs of life Undertale would just pull away again like nothing happened.

which will of course lead to "if oot just tried a little harder!"

which will be... great, just great.
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BTW, I'm really starting to think we should have had something really strong in the bottom quarter of the bracket. We really shouldn't be seeing a doubling in the semifinals.

To be fair SMRPG would probably be doing a bit better than FFIX if there was no SFF.

The way the bracket was made was for the number two game outside of Zelda to be decided on the top half. Unsurprisingly that caused a strength drain in the rest of the bracket. It was still a greatly constructed bracket though I wouldn't have a problem if we added more 15-30 strength games in the bottom quarter. Imagine switching KH2/MGS4 with FO:NV/BioShock Infinite or switching FFIX/KH with RDR/Bayonetta, we could have made even more crazier matches. Of course hindsight is 20/20.
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I think Metal Gear was supposed to fill the role of "something really strong in the bottom quarter" after Snake's run in 2013 tbh

Allen didn't get it right, but I can see the logic
Remember how we used to attribute Samus's popularity to Smash Bros. and character design? Those things are probably a big part of Snake's popularity too, plus maybe him being an iconic/easily recognizable/"important" character.

That being said, I find it kinda funny that Zelda fans are accused of being drones considering it's more likely that Metal Gear Solid 1/2/3(/4?) all seem to be not far from each other strength-wise, and same for Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, and Bloodborne.

But yeah, as for that, the bottom quarter of the bracket literally had games like Metal Gear Solid 1-3, Resident Evil 4, Shadow of the Colossus, and Mass Effect 2, and heck if you want to extend it to things that have been proven not to be this site's cup of tea then you can bring in stuff like BioShock, GTA: San Andreas, Red Dead Redemption, World of Warcraft, and StarCraft. Hardly the bracketmaker's fault that this site is so in love with RPGs, old games, and Nintendo/Square that freaking Super Mario RPG beat them all.

It's pretty hilarious to think Mario RPG lost to GOLDENEYE last time we saw it after seeing their respective performances this contest. Mario might break 60% on Bond now!

RE4 is probably a bit weaker, which could explain Leon doing worse against a Gordon Freeman who hasn't had a new game in ages than he did against a Gordon fresh off of Half-Life 2 (especially considering how that game didn't exactly look great this contest) and then rolling over and dying against Cloud and Squirtle. Just to ask, did RE4 outperform x-stat expectations against Paper Mario?

Also, just for the heck of it, does Wind Waker or Metroid Prime win the entire bottom quarter of the bracket if they're there?

And what happens to Snake and Mega Man in the next contest, now that MGSV/SSB4 hype has worn off?

Regardless of all the nonsense that has happened towards the end, I'm still very glad we held this contest and really enjoyed it while it lasted, at least for the most part. I hope Undertale hasn't completely spoiled it for most of us.
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Maybe oot will have a chance if we all agree to hold our votes till the end? It needs a massive sneak attack to win.

I'm also in some huge Zelda fangroups so I'm going to message the admins to sticky. I'm also going to tap the smashbros groups I posted in for revenge on Undertale.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
Just for the heck of it, does Wind Waker or Metroid Prime win the entire bottom quarter of the bracket if they're there?


Any moderately strong Nintendo game does.
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
Maybe oot will have a chance if we all agree to hold our votes till the end? It needs a massive sneak attack to win.


This is literally the only way Ocarina is winning.
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Vayu_The_End posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Just for the heck of it, does Wind Waker or Metroid Prime win the entire bottom quarter of the bracket if they're there?


Any moderately strong Nintendo game does.


Picking a game that once upon a time lost to Vice City over Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil 4, oh my.

I guess that means Skyrim wins it? Heck, does Kingdom Hearts II do it?
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
Maybe oot will have a chance if we all agree to hold our votes till the end? It needs a massive sneak attack to win.

I'm also in some huge Zelda fangroups so I'm going to message the admins to sticky. I'm also going to tap the smashbros groups I posted in for revenge on Undertale.


Lol, this would be a hilarious sight. If you could manage to rally 5000 people to wait until the last 5 minutes of the poll, it would be the greatest moment on Gamefaqs of ALL TIME. ALL TIME!

Someone start working on this!!
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
Undertale fans will just do the same thing if they see us planning it


Depending on the organization and with high enough votals, there's nothing they could do. If you save it for the last 15min anyway. The danger is that if you hold back votes then UT will be far enough ahead that it won't matter.
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For a semifinal match this is boring. That is what happens when one game is so strong.
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Safer_777 posted...
For a semifinal match this is boring. That is what happens when one game is so strong.


To be fair, Melee Undertale might have been a lot closer, but after Melee made it's huge push and failed, it was pretty much just as over, even if there was only 1% difference.
Has Allen still not signed on yet? Still nothing at least affirming that yesterday was legit?
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Nanis23 posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2453-tournament-semifinal-the-legend-of-zelda-vs-metal-gear


To be fair, literally everything but Mario got blown the f*** away by Zelda and Final Fantasy in that contest. I wouldn't be surprised if the Series contest was the true genesis for the 'Zelda and Final Fantasy always win' sentiment on this site, moreso than even Link and Cloud's performances in Character Battles.

Seriously, Mega Man got 25% on Final Fantasy.

Metroid got 15% on Zelda. SFF or not, that's insanity.
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Maybe we shoukd have a ballot to decide the bracket next time. SBAllen could do it live over Twitch.
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It really doesn't matter what you do. There won't be enough backfire in the Undertale rally to matter. Those people are the biggest drones to ever visit this website, by far. Much more than even the Zelda fans.
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Nanis23 posted...
Safer_777 posted...
For a semifinal match this is boring. That is what happens when one game is so strong.


We had worse
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3507-contest-semifinal-zelda-oot-ffx-mgs4-ssbb
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3506-contest-semifinal-smw-smb-3-ff7-zelda-lttp
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2453-tournament-semifinal-the-legend-of-zelda-vs-metal-gear
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1778-tournament-semifinal-link-vs-mega-man


Well actually looking at it now again, those 4-ways are 65% for the winner against second place, so they are not worse
But this makes this match the third highest semifinals beatdown we ever had, and if OOT will keep increasing it might even be higher than Link-Mega Man (67.61-32.39)
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ExThaNemesis posted...
It really doesn't matter what you do. There won't be enough backfire in the Undertale rally to matter. Those people are the biggest drones to ever visit this website, by far. Much more than even the Zelda fans.


http://nintendoeverything.com/tumblrs-most-reblogged-games-of-2015/
And yet is still lost to Undertale
Drone theory is true
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It'd be cool if he released a beta bracket and let us make suggestions to improve it.

The bracket was well made though, assuming seeding can't be changed I would have likely only made a few changes pre-contest.
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I think putting Mario Kart 8 against Mario 64 was evil
Should have given that game a chance
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I agree MK8 and Tetris should have been given better places, outside of unwinnable first round matches the only "wasted" game was Pokemon GSC.
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charmander6000 posted...
I agree MK8 and Tetris should have been given better places, outside of unwinnable first round matches the only "wasted" game was Pokemon GSC.


And Mass Effect 3 .
Litteraly the strongest vs the second strongest in round 1.
Allen why ?
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Oh Allen XD

SBAllen posted...
Undertale isn't vote stuffing. The biggest attempted vote stuff yesterday was a guy who used a bot to create 643 accounts and vote... for SSBM. He, like all other cheaters, were easily caught and their votes ignored.

If we restricted voting just to Comcast users in the US (the most popular ISP, with around 15% of the total vote), UT wins 51.13% to 48.87%, which is extremely close to the actual result.



I believe people called it. Well, not a 2:1 ratio but yeah
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BK_Sheikah00 posted...
Oh Allen XD

SBAllen posted...
Undertale isn't vote stuffing. The biggest attempted vote stuff yesterday was a guy who used a bot to create 643 accounts and vote... for SSBM. He, like all other cheaters, were easily caught and their votes ignored.

If we restricted voting just to Comcast users in the US (the most popular ISP, with around 15% of the total vote), UT wins 51.13% to 48.87%, which is extremely close to the actual result.



I believe people called it. Well, not a 2:1 ratio but yeah


I thought that the whole "Allen will say he found a vote stuffing...for <insert loser here> was a joke that stopped being funny years ago
And yet..
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Well that explains the ridiculous number of newly created accounts that day Luster mentioned!
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And why does creating accounts matter?
You can vote without an account, you just need a different IP address
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Nanis23 posted...
And why does creating accounts matter?
You can vote without an account, you just need a different IP address


Because most obvious proxies are blocked and switching ip isn't always possible ( or is pretty slow).
So I guess they want for the very easy way of making 600 accounts for the same ip.
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Averia posted...
Nanis23 posted...
And why does creating accounts matter?
You can vote without an account, you just need a different IP address


Because most obvious proxies are blocked and switching ip isn't always possible ( or is pretty slow).
So I guess they want for the very easy way of making 600 accounts for the same ip.


But this is so easy to catch...
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Nanis23 posted...
Averia posted...
Nanis23 posted...
And why does creating accounts matter?
You can vote without an account, you just need a different IP address


Because most obvious proxies are blocked and switching ip isn't always possible ( or is pretty slow).
So I guess they want for the very easy way of making 600 accounts for the same ip.


But this is so easy to catch...


I'm assuming it was some desperation bot written in 30 minutes after seeing they were being out rallied by Undertale (of all things).

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