I doubt there's significant cheating here. Sure, I bet some people used multiple IPs they have, but I bet that happens frequently. This match was hyped as hell, and so many Undertale fans online were aware of it. You don't produce 70k+ votes from bots.

I don't think it's a big mystery that, when Melee rises, Undertale strikes back. I imagine there are ralliers that watch the poll and only ask for votes when they see they need it. Some people on Steam said this, that they don't tweet out the poll unless they need to. And, as mentioned, because this is a weekend, Undertale can surge at any time.

Now hopefully things calm down here the rest of the way.
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Sigh. I was so close. I figured Undertale would win, and I didn't want to get my hopes up, but I couldn't help it. I had to get excited. Bleh.
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DpObliVion posted...
Sigh. I was so close. I figured Undertale would win, and I didn't want to get my hopes up, but I couldn't help it. I had to get excited. Bleh.


Yeah, I don't blame you. Even a longshot is still a shot.
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This would have broken the back of my bracket if METAL GEAR SOLID 3 HADN'T ALREADY DONE THAT
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This would have broken the back of my bracket if METAL GEAR SOLID 3 HADN'T ALREADY DONE THAT


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Where is Hylian88 and the 'big strings' he promised to pull?
Let's say the site does a Best 90s Game contest. Isn't Chrono Trigger the heavy favorite?
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Let's say the site does a Best 90s Game contest. Isn't Chrono Trigger the heavy favorite?


Heavy? No. Plenty of people will still pick OoT on principle. Link was still the slight favorite in 2004 despite Cloud winning the year before.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Let's say the site does a Best 90s Game contest. Isn't Chrono Trigger the heavy favorite?

Under normal conditions, sure.

RBY with rallies though...

oh god i'm an idiot. OoT. Yeah, no way CT is a heavy favorite while OoT draws breath and has yet to be defeated in a non-rallied match since 2004
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He promised to try.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Let's say the site does a Best 90s Game contest. Isn't Chrono Trigger the heavy favorite?


only if it's a Best 90s Console Game Contest

(even then, Ocarina will rally and beat CT in the end)
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Well Europe going to sleep, going to wake up to see Undertale with about 5k lead..like always
But then I am going to get ready for SMRPG>OOT so it's going to be interesting at least!
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LeonhartFour posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Let's say the site does a Best 90s Game contest. Isn't Chrono Trigger the heavy favorite?


Heavy? No. Plenty of people will still pick OoT on principle. Link was still the slight favorite in 2004 despite Cloud winning the year before.


Cloud was the guru favorite.

Also I checked tumblr, almost every post about this match has hundreds of notes.
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DpObliVion posted...
Sigh. I was so close. I figured Undertale would win, and I didn't want to get my hopes up, but I couldn't help it. I had to get excited. Bleh.


For what it's worth, SSBM would have almost certainly beaten OoT if it advanced. Even if it won't be first place, Undertale winning here likely gives you a higher chance of winning a prize.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Let's say the site does a Best 90s Game contest. Isn't Chrono Trigger the heavy favorite?


Heavy? No. Plenty of people will still pick OoT on principle. Link was still the slight favorite in 2004 despite Cloud winning the year before.


Cloud was the guru favorite.

Also I checked tumblr, almost every post about this match has hundreds of notes.


Hundreds of notes does not equal 50K votes. It took tens of thousands of notes for that in previous matches.
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TheOneAboveAll posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Let's say the site does a Best 90s Game contest. Isn't Chrono Trigger the heavy favorite?


Heavy? No. Plenty of people will still pick OoT on principle. Link was still the slight favorite in 2004 despite Cloud winning the year before.


Cloud was the guru favorite.

Also I checked tumblr, almost every post about this match has hundreds of notes.


Hundreds of notes does not equal 50K votes. It took tens of thousands of notes for that in previous matches.

Add hundreds more of tumblrs, youtubers, Steam, reddit, etc. combined, and this is the result.
There could be some voting shenanigans, but the judge is still on break for that one.
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Funny how people keep complaining about Undertale being fishy, when all its gains right now are basically due to SSBM falling off a cliff.

Can't even "rally" enough to get your chip damage in, huh, Smashers.
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so going along our melee = space jam narrative

i feel like this movie got a lot darker

especially when it reaches OoT
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Karma Hunter posted...
Funny how people keep complaining about Undertale being fishy, when all its gains right now are basically due to SSBM falling off a cliff.

Can't even "rally" enough to get your chip damage in, huh, Smashers.


I think it's fishy because it's, you know, fishy. Undertale has not been so fishy for the last hour+. But until 3 oclock it didn't make any sense.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Cloud was the guru favorite.


Link was the BOP favorite.

He was almost certainly the site favorite, too, considering he had somewhere in the neighborhood of 35-40% of brackets picking him to win.
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7 vote cut!

Melee only needs to cut 48 per update to win!
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UltimaterializerX posted...
7 vote cut!

Melee only needs to cut 48 per update to win!

melee cuts when i put space jam back on?

the narrative is real
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UltimaterializerX posted...
7 vote cut!

Melee only needs to cut 48 per update to win!


It was actually a 6 gain, there was a fake update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNMX988Xqi8
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I love Undertale and have no problem with it taking the crown, but this match - more than any other - really makes me wonder about the legitimacy of its vote intake.

It's bizarre to me that it could rally this much additional support, from a votal # standpoint, over the course of two f***ing days. Obviously there are Melee rallies to account for too, and not all of those votes are going to Melee, but it's still such a staggering increase.

I'm hoping Allen is carefully monitoring the vote intake for both games, and makes a post that addresses the match in proper fashion (I.E. not as snide as his last post).
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don't worry when OoT/SMRPG only gets 50,000 votes and then Undertale/OoT gets 150,000 votes, nobody will see anything suspicious about that at all
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LeonhartFour posted...
don't worry when OoT/SMRPG only gets 50,000 votes and then Undertale/OoT gets 150,000 votes, nobody will see anything suspicious about that at all

The only thing of interest I can think of out of Undertale/OoT is if Undertale keeps the bandwagon up and keeps pulling these absurd updates and even goes higher, just eviscerating OoT. Or if it cools down and lets OoT hang around like SM64.

I feel like if this is just bandwagoning from everywhere it should annihilate OoT as it keeps building but I expect OoT to hang around despite not being able to pull the things Melee has here.

and that just feels weird
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Ocarina match probably breaks 80k.

I'm finding it weird that people are picking this match to draw the line in the sand. was the Pokemon match not crazy enough? or ME3 for that matter?
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But Melee rallied so hard and even beat Chrono Trigger!

How could it not be enough to beat Undertale?
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Everything in RBY/Undertale and SM64/Undertale showed that Undertale is capable of this. Everything. If you didn't think this was possible you were either not paying attention or in denial.
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LeonhartFour posted...
But Melee rallied so hard and even beat Chrono Trigger!

How could it not be enough to beat Undertale?


This is what I don't get. Man, Melee went pretty hard and barely managed to top Chrono Trigger -- a game with zero rally potential! -- but Melee can't top Undertale here so it's sketchy one way and a definite end to any chance to stop Undertale. Like what!
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Although Melee did defy my prediction and led for a whole five updates this match

Let's see if you can do better, Hero of Time
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Karma Hunter posted...
Everything in RBY/Undertale and SM64/Undertale showed that Undertale is capable of this. Everything. If you didn't think this was possible you were either not paying attention or in denial.


What's kinda suprising for me is not it's power (it was indeed to be expected from previous matches), but the fact it almost immediately reacted to the Melee rallies. I would have expected it to take at least one hour (and the loss of the lead) before the Undertale war machine started.
ZFS posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
But Melee rallied so hard and even beat Chrono Trigger!

How could it not be enough to beat Undertale?


This is what I don't get. Man, Melee went pretty hard and barely managed to top Chrono Trigger -- a game with zero rally potential! -- but Melee can't top Undertale here so it's sketchy one way and a definite end to any chance to stop Undertale. Like what!


Well, it is a definite end to any chance to stop Undertale. In CT/Melee, a big, big majority of GameFAQs was fighting against Melee's rallies. This time, Melee has the majority of GameFAQs and its own rallies up against Undertale's rallies... and it's not enough. It's frankly not even close, despite how the score looks right now, because we know what would happen if it magically got closer again.
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Karma Hunter posted...
Everything in RBY/Undertale and SM64/Undertale showed that Undertale is capable of this. Everything. If you didn't think this was possible you were either not paying attention or in denial.


Possible? Absolutely. Everyone said it was possible. What we didn't know was whether the reach of the Undertale votes could move beyond tumblr or what its reach would be on tumblr when/if it reached all possible voters.

And all the numbers from Fallout/RBY indicated that Undertale had rallied about the same number of votes in each match. SM64 match showed there was a slightly higher gear, but nothing like this.

Last but not least, no site banner today. You're silly if you think that doesn't gain Melee at least 2-3k votes minimum considering the game's natural strength on GameFAQs.

Edit: no, not "everything" showed it. Please stop pretending that you had everything figured out from the beginning, juts because the breaks went your way. Are you this obnoxious in the off season too?
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Link has stared down these types before even had to deal with a DDOS killing his flow

I mean he still lost but that Draven shredding was real, put Melee to shame!
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Julian_Caesar posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Everything in RBY/Undertale and SM64/Undertale showed that Undertale is capable of this. Everything. If you didn't think this was possible you were either not paying attention or in denial.

Last but not least, no site banner today. You're silly if you think that doesn't gain Melee at least 2-3k votes minimum considering the game's natural strength on GameFAQs.


The fun part is that it probably wouldn't have mattered. If Melee had gained 2-3k vote more, then Undertale would have won 4k more.
Karma Hunter posted...
ZFS posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
But Melee rallied so hard and even beat Chrono Trigger!

How could it not be enough to beat Undertale?


This is what I don't get. Man, Melee went pretty hard and barely managed to top Chrono Trigger -- a game with zero rally potential! -- but Melee can't top Undertale here so it's sketchy one way and a definite end to any chance to stop Undertale. Like what!


Well, it is a definite end to any chance to stop Undertale. In CT/Melee, a big, big majority of GameFAQs was fighting against Melee's rallies. This time, Melee has the majority of GameFAQs and its own rallies up against Undertale's rallies... and it's not enough. It's frankly not even close, despite how the score looks right now, because we know what would happen if it magically got closer again.


Well, I mean I would have argued the end was a while ago. The idea of Melee being the real rally beast that could stop Undertale always seemed over the top to me. Pokemon got lit so bad there was no doubt.
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Averia posted...
Julian_Caesar posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Everything in RBY/Undertale and SM64/Undertale showed that Undertale is capable of this. Everything. If you didn't think this was possible you were either not paying attention or in denial.

Last but not least, no site banner today. You're silly if you think that doesn't gain Melee at least 2-3k votes minimum considering the game's natural strength on GameFAQs.


The fun part is that it probably wouldn't have mattered. If Melee had gained 2-3k vote more, then Undertale would have won 4k more.


Pure conjecture.
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Does anyone have stats on the most votes any entrant has gotten in a single contest match?
Would be interesting to see a top 25 and if Undertale and/or Melee can make it.

Charmander?
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Julian_Caesar posted...
Are you this obnoxious in the off season too?

God I hope so
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LeonhartFour posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Cloud was the guru favorite.


Link was the BOP favorite.

He was almost certainly the site favorite, too, considering he had somewhere in the neighborhood of 35-40% of brackets picking him to win.


Where do I see other people's brackets?
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