Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1254 - Match of the Year Edition!

For some reason, I'm so enticed with this whole affair I've forgotten to play Xenoblade X this day.

What's wrong with me?
12/13/2015 10:23:25 AM#302
xp1337 posted...
guys i told you if things got weird after football started we should invent football factor

melee fans too busy watching football to rally

just wait for halftime


The best thing ever was hockey factor actually being legit.
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Hylian88 posted...
There are a lot of anti-melee posts going around by well known smashers like leffen atm, saying that melee doesn't need exposure and to let the indie game win, so melee's going to be hurting for a bit.


What does this even mean
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XIII_rocks posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
This is amazing. Undertale starts fighting back and Melee fans immediately claim that there's cheating involved

You guys are the best heels this contest could have produced


It just seems to get exactly what it needs every time.

And say what you want, I'm sorry, but Undertale's support is limited. No matter how tight-knit its fanbase might be, it's still a miniscule game and the bandwagon voters aren't this big a factor. Not to the extent that UT can just summon 150-200 vote gains at will. It does not have the fanbase of LoL. Melee, meanwhile, has a far bigger fanbase and its rallies are actually sourced.

Like I said I don't want to just say "oh yeah it's cheating", it's not that simple. But it's f***ing weird.


Bandwagon voters aren't this big of a factor? L-block's strength was entirely bandwagon and that was enough to win the whole damn thing.
I"m all in favor of DQing both sides


I agree. Chrono Trigger vs. Ocarina of Time final please.
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Hylian88 posted...
There are a lot of anti-melee posts going around by well known smashers like leffen atm, saying that melee doesn't need exposure and to let the indie game win, so melee's going to be hurting for a bit.


If anything that's going to help Melee considering it's Leffen.
Ryu vs Dante 2010

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Tohoya posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
This is amazing. Undertale starts fighting back and Melee fans immediately claim that there's cheating involved

You guys are the best heels this contest could have produced


It just seems to get exactly what it needs every time.

And say what you want, I'm sorry, but Undertale's support is limited. No matter how tight-knit its fanbase might be, it's still a miniscule game and the bandwagon voters aren't this big a factor. Not to the extent that UT can just summon 150-200 vote gains at will. It does not have the fanbase of LoL. Melee, meanwhile, has a far bigger fanbase and its rallies are actually sourced.

Like I said I don't want to just say "oh yeah it's cheating", it's not that simple. But it's f***ing weird.


Bandwagon voters aren't this big of a factor? L-block's strength was entirely bandwagon and that was enough to win the whole damn thing.


It's easier to get a bandwagon when everyone knows what you are. Everyone has heard of Tetris. Most are going to see Undertale and go "what the hell is that?"
lifeiswierd posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
This is amazing. Undertale starts fighting back and Melee fans immediately claim that there's cheating involved

You guys are the best heels this contest could have produced


It just seems to get exactly what it needs every time.

And say what you want, I'm sorry, but Undertale's support is limited. No matter how tight-knit its fanbase might be, it's still a miniscule game and the bandwagon voters aren't this big a factor. Not to the extent that UT can just summon 150-200 vote gains at will. It does not have the fanbase of LoL. Melee, meanwhile, has a far bigger fanbase and its rallies are actually sourced.

Like I said I don't want to just say "oh yeah it's cheating", it's not that simple. But it's f***ing weird.


I think the weirdest part is the map count for the votes....
Like it's only circumstantial evidence, but it's a CRAZY coincidence for UT to be winning Eurasia/Middle East when the game was only released in English and has only rough fan translations for other Romanian languages at best.

Most voters from those regions are Americans, not natives.
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(edited 12/13/2015 10:25:47 AM)report
TheKoolAidShoto posted...
Ryu vs Dante 2010

never forget


OH YEAHH
Here's what's going to happen. Undertale will win, Melee people will complain about cheating

Bacon posts

"We have caught stuffing in excess of 2:1 in Melee's favor"

Bring this contest home
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undertale keeping it up, somehow
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red sox 777 posted...
I"m all in favor of DQing both sides


I agree. Chrono Trigger vs. Ocarina of Time final please.


I'm in favor of this. We gotta stop the CT > OOT talk that has gotten outta hand!
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UltimaterializerX posted...
xp1337 posted...
guys i told you if things got weird after football started we should invent football factor

melee fans too busy watching football to rally

just wait for halftime


The best thing ever was hockey factor actually being legit.


Wait, when did this happen?
ZFS posted...
Hylian88 posted...
There are a lot of anti-melee posts going around by well known smashers like leffen atm, saying that melee doesn't need exposure and to let the indie game win, so melee's going to be hurting for a bit.


What does this even mean


Melee's community has strived to make it popular for years, and has succeeded. It knows the hardships of being mostly grassroots, and now that it has a huge scene and an overabundance of huge tournaments many people feel it doesn't need to take the spotlight from up and coming games that have nothing to do with melee. A lot of melee players also just don't care about this contest and are tired of seeing it on twitter/facebook.
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this is the craziest match...

remember round 1? Those matches were getting like 37k votes total in 24 hours..
undertale is cheating lol.
they are using bots,and its really really obvious.
Tohoya posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
xp1337 posted...
guys i told you if things got weird after football started we should invent football factor

melee fans too busy watching football to rally

just wait for halftime


The best thing ever was hockey factor actually being legit.


Wait, when did this happen?


A match during the 2010 Olympic Gold Medal game between Canada and the USA.
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Hylian88 posted...
There are a lot of anti-melee posts going around by well known smashers like leffen atm, saying that melee doesn't need exposure and to let the indie game win, so melee's going to be hurting for a bit.


The biggest problem with Undertale's strongest challengers is that the games involved have a bit of negativity around them. Gen 1 has a bad stigma in the Pokemon fanbase and Melee has a bit of drawback due to the whole perception about its competitive scene among more casual players, etc.

This could turn ugly.
KamikazePotato posted...


Bacon posts



Bring this contest home


I like my bacon hard
creativename posted...
lifeiswierd posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
This is amazing. Undertale starts fighting back and Melee fans immediately claim that there's cheating involved

You guys are the best heels this contest could have produced


It just seems to get exactly what it needs every time.

And say what you want, I'm sorry, but Undertale's support is limited. No matter how tight-knit its fanbase might be, it's still a miniscule game and the bandwagon voters aren't this big a factor. Not to the extent that UT can just summon 150-200 vote gains at will. It does not have the fanbase of LoL. Melee, meanwhile, has a far bigger fanbase and its rallies are actually sourced.

Like I said I don't want to just say "oh yeah it's cheating", it's not that simple. But it's f***ing weird.


I think the weirdest part is the map count for the votes....
Like it's only circumstantial evidence, but it's a CRAZY coincidence for UT to be winning Eurasia/Middle East when the game was only released in English and has only rough fan translations for other Romanian languages at best.

Most voters from those regions are Americans, not natives.


I mean, still a crazy coincidence, right? ALL of those regions are all for UT with not a single one for SSBM; and some of those regions have smaller SSBM communities and interact with other smashers on twitter. If they were really small communities, you'd think some would be more evenly split.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
xp1337 posted...
guys i told you if things got weird after football started we should invent football factor

melee fans too busy watching football to rally

just wait for halftime


The best thing ever was hockey factor actually being legit.

it really was fantastic
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12/13/2015 10:27:26 AM#323
Tohoya posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
xp1337 posted...
guys i told you if things got weird after football started we should invent football factor

melee fans too busy watching football to rally

just wait for halftime


The best thing ever was hockey factor actually being legit.


Wait, when did this happen?


http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/%287%29Ryu_vs_%282%29Dante_2010
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I think the weirdest part is the map count for the votes....
Like it's only circumstantial evidence, but it's a CRAZY coincidence for UT to be winning Eurasia/Middle East when the game was only released in English and has only rough fan translations for other Romanian languages at best.


I have to admit this made me raise my eyebrows when I saw it earlier. It's in no way definitive, though
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Both sides are cheating here. Like Melee shouldn't have been getting 400 votes to begin with to spike from those Twitter rallies.

Undertale is just doing it better.
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Hylian88 posted...
A lot of melee players also just don't care about this contest and are tired of seeing it on twitter/facebook.


This is understandable. It was just the 'Melee doesn't need the exposure,' but we're talking about a 5+ million seller so that boat sailed a while ago, but I see it's more competitive stuff. That's a weird group. But I get the idea of not caring about the contest.
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Has anyone thought that /b/ and stuff like twitch streams or chat boxes on certain websites (like omegle) could be responsible for some undertale votes?
This is draven vs snake all over again

Except that this time I'm pleased
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Lopen posted...
Both sides are cheating here. Like Melee shouldn't have been getting 400 votes to begin with to spike from those Twitter rallies.

Undertale is just doing it better.


You've got my feelings on this match down!
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lifeiswierd posted...
creativename posted...
lifeiswierd posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
This is amazing. Undertale starts fighting back and Melee fans immediately claim that there's cheating involved

You guys are the best heels this contest could have produced


It just seems to get exactly what it needs every time.

And say what you want, I'm sorry, but Undertale's support is limited. No matter how tight-knit its fanbase might be, it's still a miniscule game and the bandwagon voters aren't this big a factor. Not to the extent that UT can just summon 150-200 vote gains at will. It does not have the fanbase of LoL. Melee, meanwhile, has a far bigger fanbase and its rallies are actually sourced.

Like I said I don't want to just say "oh yeah it's cheating", it's not that simple. But it's f***ing weird.


I think the weirdest part is the map count for the votes....
Like it's only circumstantial evidence, but it's a CRAZY coincidence for UT to be winning Eurasia/Middle East when the game was only released in English and has only rough fan translations for other Romanian languages at best.

Most voters from those regions are Americans, not natives.


I mean, still a crazy coincidence, right? ALL of those regions are all for UT with not a single one for SSBM; and some of those regions have smaller SSBM communities and interact with other smashers on twitter. If they were really small communities, you'd think some would be more evenly split.


Console gaming is probably not very big in those regions where as PCs probably are.
ZFS posted...
Hylian88 posted...
A lot of melee players also just don't care about this contest and are tired of seeing it on twitter/facebook.


This is understandable. It was just the 'Melee doesn't need the exposure,' but we're talking about a 5+ million seller so that boat sailed a while ago, but I see it's more competitive stuff. That's a weird group. But I get the idea of not caring about the contest.


Leffen, the Melee pro he cited, is also the precisely kind of guy you'd expect to think this contest hype is silly.
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Hylian88 posted...
There are a lot of anti-melee posts going around by well known smashers like leffen atm, saying that melee doesn't need exposure and to let the indie game win, so melee's going to be hurting for a bit.


What?
They are even more annoying than Pokemon fans
JUST RALLY DONT ASK QUESTIONS WHAT THE f*** IS WRONG WITH YOU
It's like tumblr would be like "no man, I don't know, Undertale is a great game but it's still a short indie game, you know? I spent days playing with my friends Melee so here is my vote"
And yet they don't
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alright undertale has finally calmed down to melee's level for now
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Slowing down...
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Next match, another plot twist: SMRPG rsff OOT, winning by over 60%.

SMRPG puts up a 10k vote lead at the freeze. Undertale cuts it all after 2 updates. Facebook, twitter, instagram, reddit, 4chan and even tumblr change its logos to a picture of SMRPG and a link to the match, asking votes for it.
SMRPG gets a 20k spike, but Undertale fights back with a 21k spike! This goes on for the remainder of the day.

Final update, all hope seems lost, until suddenly, a worldwide broadcast asking for votes for SMRPG. The final update rolls in, and SMRPG wins by a margin of 2 votes with a total of 2,340,524 votes.

Book it, it's gonna happen!
Mindgames.
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Hylian, just post it on smashboards man, COME ON. The entire Melee fanbase is involved in this match so its newsworthy right? >_>
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What an excitingly predictable match.
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LeonhartFour posted...
What an excitingly predictable match.


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12/13/2015 10:32:49 AM#345
At least with the middle east, you're seeing things like Iran at 80-20. It's reasonable to think the votes there are 4 to 1. That's hardly where this looks weird.
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Krozuck posted...

Console gaming is probably not very big in those regions where as PCs probably are.


That's true -- but it's also equally unlikely that a game like UT is going to have much bigger audience than the console audience in regions like Asia.
UltimaterializerX posted...
Rallies are only bad unless we agree with what they support, bro.


stop with this false narrative, bro
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UltimaterializerX posted...
At least with the middle east, you're seeing things like Iran at 80-20. It's reasonable to think the votes there are 4 to 1. That's hardly where this looks weird.


Iran had 100% a few hours ago, it has a low number of votes
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KamikazePotato posted...
Here's what's going to happen. Undertale will win, Melee people will complain about cheating

Bacon posts

"We have caught stuffing in excess of 2:1 in Melee's favor"

Bring this contest home


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12/13/2015 10:34:29 AM#350
It isn't false. My belief is you support all rallies or zero.
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