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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1253
I've heard a lot of stuff about M2K by probing around the Smash community over the years, mostly negative. I'm not surprised tbh |
DaruniaTheGoron posted... LeonhartFour posted...Well, if you guys still want to keep your hopes up that Undertale won't bury Melee when the time comes, even after a literal 941 vote update, go ahead. Yay I have some support for my crazy idea! --- Raytan7585 is better than me at redditFAQs |
TheOneAboveAll posted... Godmode Melee vs Godmode OOT should be an absolutely fascinating battle, especially because both rallies will have some crazy high blowback rates. And yet everyone said I was crazy for thinking Melee had a chance against OoT! |
If it doesn't beat Undertale then Smash only has itself to blame. This is true of every game that UT has faced, though. They are all more popular games. Every single one of them is more popular than Undertale. The difference is that they are apathetic and disparate fanbases compared to Undertale's very intensely dedicated, driven, but ultimately quite small one. --- Such a lust for revenge |
I
probably should have made a bingo card of all the lines that keep
getting recycled in Undertale match. It's a bit too late because
"Undertale rallies are not infinite" and "this time they will run out of
steam and lose the match!". --- No amount of rallying would let me beat raytan7585. Congrats to raytan7585 for winning the CB9 Guru Contest! |
It is
crazy to think Melee has a chance against OoT. Whatever phantom sliver
of a chance it has in an Undertale showdown gets compounded by a million
times against the King. SFF is real and it is big and it is always in OoT's favor, virtually anywhere you look on the internet. --- Welcome to the League of Antivotes. (edited 12/13/2015 12:15:06 AM)report |
As of 3 AM, we are at 111% of the vote totals in L-Block's final. If this keeps up through the day tomorrow, we will see 217000 votes. There is no way this keeps up through the day tomorrow. But if it does, Um... --- Raytan7585 is better than me at redditFAQs |
"Undertale rallies are not infinite" True and "this time they will run out of steam and lose the match!". Questionable. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
Surskit posted... jonnyfresh712 posted...Melee is capable of over 200,000 votes hypothetically, that was the viewer count at Evo 15 Grand Finals. Well, if even a quarter of those people vote here, that plus a 10-15,000 gamefaqs vote will be enough to defeat Undertale |
you remember the whole "Pokemon's backfire rate will help it beat Undertale!" if you think Pokemon's backfire rate was high just wait and see what happens if we get OoT/Melee --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
TheOneAboveAll posted... If this keeps up through the day tomorrow, we will see 217000 votes. It's very possible we will. Crazy to think we still have 21 hours left on this match. |
Karma Hunter posted... SFF is real and it is big and it is always in OoT's favor, virtually anywhere you look on the internet. We have not seen any real evidence in SFF in this contest, so I am pretty certain that OoT won't be SFFing Melee. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
LeonhartFour posted... you remember the whole "Pokemon's backfire rate will help it beat Undertale!" Melee drones=sub-10% backfire rate obviously Kappa |
LeonhartFour posted... you remember the whole "Pokemon's backfire rate will help it beat Undertale!" This... cuts in the opposite direction of what you're saying? There wasn't any appreciable backfire for Undertale's rally. It seems to me that the melee fanbase is kinda its own thing and I can't see a dedicated tourney***, which is going to be most of the people getting rallied on a smash reddit or smashboards having a super big backlash. |
TheOneAboveAll posted...
It's not a crazy idea at all, though. If you know anything about the demographic voting Undertale, it makes perfect sense it'd be more frontloaded on a weekend night than a weekday night. There were a lot of people online at the start of the match, unlike the previous ones in which people were sleeping as they had class the next day. Couple that with increased awareness of the match, which makes more people turn up early to vote, and you can easily explain what has gone on so far on Undertale's end. My prediction is this match will be much more streamlined and consistent in terms of vote intakes for Undertale, save for the occasional spike due to tweets and/or a popular reblog on Tumblr. --- .-#Elements of Water#-. |
Keep
in mind that Melee rallied with everything it had and barely beat CT,
and the backfire rate there was probably really, really low. Even if you think CT could beat OoT this year, it wouldn't be by that much, and the backfire rate would be much higher. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... Keep in mind that Melee rallied with everything it had and barely beat CT, and the backfire rate there was probably really, really low. What? Did you even see the /r/smashbros thread? Like half the top comments were people saying they were voting CT |
jonnyfresh712 posted...
A quarter is optimistic as hell. We know Melee's fanbase is huge, that's never been in question. Their care rate as opposed to Undertale fans is far, faaaar lower, though. --- .-#Elements of Water#-. |
er melee clearly didn't rally "everything it had" on CT look at these vote totals. melee would be burying CT right now |
Tohoya posted... It seems to me that the melee fanbase is kinda its own thing It isn't. Melee got manhandled by OoT like everything else Nintendo except Pokemon in 2009. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
It's
not at all crazy to suggest that a decent proportion of the people who
voted late in the Pokemon/ME3 etc matches would have voted earlier this
time. I mean, there's no reason why that wouldn't make sense in theory. We just don't really see it in practice, possibly because the strength of the rally increases to compensate for any loss during the second half of the match. --- Such a lust for revenge (edited 12/13/2015 12:22:13 AM)report |
Melee's hopes against OOT are all about the momentum. A Tetris piece once beat Link. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
LeonhartFour posted... Keep in mind that Melee rallied with everything it had and barely beat CT, and the backfire rate there was probably really, really low. what Melee in 24 hours vs Chrono Trigger-36915 Melee in <3.5 hours vs Undertale-20228 |
Attributing
the votal increase entirely to rallying is foolish. We just had another
vote-friendly (and long overdue) format shift to One Match A Day, and
we saw a big votal spike when we went from 4 matches to 2 matches even
though there was no rallying involved. Plus, semifinals, this was a
hugely hyped match, and all sorts of other explanations suffice for vote
increases before you even get to whether it's getting a stronger rally
(and whether its increased share of rallied votes isn't being fueled in
large part by Undertale rally backfiring). --- Welcome to the League of Antivotes. |
A
Tetris piece didn't have to worry about SFF and Melee will never be an
underdog story, no matter how much people here claim otherwise. Nor will it ever be a "joke" winner, at least in the sense that L-Block was. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif (edited 12/13/2015 12:23:52 AM)report |
er Undertale, hype, the semifinals, one match per day, and excitement are responsible for the much higher votals. Mainly Undertale. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. (edited 12/13/2015 12:23:51 AM)report |
I
can also confirm that the Smash scene probably even more
disproportionately compared to the general gaming or even typical
Nintendo audience, are huge Zelda fans. Link is and will always be the
most used character in Smash (overall, obviously not competitively, but
even there most everyone has at least a deep pocket Link). --- Viviff on the go! (or from the toilet) http://i.minus.com/iUSn0BlyRplGN.gif |
AndrewB34 posted... What? Did you even see the /r/smashbros thread? Like half the top comments were people saying they were voting CT Vocal minorities. The RBY rally thread in r/pokemon's top comment was also something to the effect of "I'd vote any other generation except RBY". People are much more likely to say something if they're voting the opposite than if they're voting the rallied game. --- .-#Elements of Water#-. |
LeonhartFour posted... Tohoya posted...It seems to me that the melee fanbase is kinda its own thing Unrallied Melee 2009 =/= rallied melee 2015 |
AndrewB34 posted... LeonhartFour posted...Keep in mind that Melee rallied with everything it had and barely beat CT, and the backfire rate there was probably really, really low. The silent majority is not reflected in posted stuff, ever. In Link/Draven, Draven had a backfire rate of something stupid like 35-40%, which you'd never have guessed if you'd looked at the responses. OoT is going to have a likely even or higher rate and will obliterate melee, most likely. --- Remember when you were young? No longer bearing the mark of Kan. I'm a new man now. |
Tohoya posted... Unrallied Melee 2009 =/= rallied melee 2015 Doesn't matter. Melee is still very much a Nintendo game and Ocarina of Time is still very much the king of Nintendo. But it's fun to see Melee backers thinking the game is suddenly invincible. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Karma Hunter posted... Attributing the votal increase entirely to rallying is foolish. We just had another vote-friendly (and long overdue) format shift to One Match A Day, and we saw a big votal spike when we went from 4 matches to 2 matches even though there was no rallying involved. Plus, semifinals, this was a hugely hyped match, and all sorts of other explanations suffice for vote increases before you even get to whether it's getting a stronger rally (and whether its increased share of rallied votes isn't being fueled in large part by Undertale rally backfiring). red sox 777 posted... er oh really now Chrono Trigger or FF7 would've gotten dunked under this initial surge |
what Melee is getting a lot of votes from Undertale backfire tonight. And, it's probably getting 65% of the Gamefaqs vote instead of 38%. And there's a lot more Gamefaqs votes today. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
ViviffTheMobile posted... I can also confirm that the Smash scene probably even more disproportionately compared to the general gaming or even typical Nintendo audience, are huge Zelda fans. Link is and will always be the most used character in Smash (overall, obviously not competitively, but even there most everyone has at least a deep pocket Link). Hasn't Link been like terrible in every Smash iteration though? Or was that Samus? --- Remember when you were young? No longer bearing the mark of Kan. I'm a new man now. |
I was riding hard on Melee getting some seriously big rallies when I put it in the finals but you have to know when to fold and Ocarina is the time Honestly, I'd be stunned if people even more than half-heartedly rallied for Melee against Ocarina. The will, the frenzy, the thirst of wanting it more just doesn't seem there for it. --- Welcome to the League of Antivotes. |
KanzarisKelshen posted... ViviffTheMobile posted...I can also confirm that the Smash scene probably even more disproportionately compared to the general gaming or even typical Nintendo audience, are huge Zelda fans. Link is and will always be the most used character in Smash (overall, obviously not competitively, but even there most everyone has at least a deep pocket Link). Link has been terrible in every one competitively yes, but at a casual level he is a strong pick |
Hasn't Link been like terrible in every Smash iteration though? he was only awful in brawl, but everything zelda was awful in brawl. he's usually mediocre --- Anything is possible when your man smells like Old Spice and not a lady. |
Obviously. But that's not necessarily due to Melee rallying that much harder here. Melee went from 38% of the Gamefaqs vote to probably 65% here. CT would have gone from 62% to....66%? Melee is now getting both the Gamefaqs vote AND rallying, it was relying more on rallying before. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
1337gamerpr0 posted... Karma Hunter posted...Attributing the votal increase entirely to rallying is foolish. We just had another vote-friendly (and long overdue) format shift to One Match A Day, and we saw a big votal spike when we went from 4 matches to 2 matches even though there was no rallying involved. Plus, semifinals, this was a hugely hyped match, and all sorts of other explanations suffice for vote increases before you even get to whether it's getting a stronger rally (and whether its increased share of rallied votes isn't being fueled in large part by Undertale rally backfiring). This isn't a logically reasoned statement; it's just a primal scream of an assertion. --- Welcome to the League of Antivotes. |
LeonhartFour posted... Tohoya posted...Unrallied Melee 2009 =/= rallied melee 2015 Invincible? I touched this whole thing off by giving Melee a 20% chance against OoT |
Why are we talking like Melee even has a chance of winning this match? --- "I'll admit that I made one or two sarcastic remarks in this topic, but in all serious I akin Undertale to fascism." -ArgaiRonso |
ExThaNemesis posted... Why are we talking like Melee even has a chance of winning this match? Melee's got Undertale right where it wants it, you see. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Melee back to 48%, though it's just lost 2 updates in a row. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
LeonhartFour posted... A Tetris piece didn't have to worry about SFF Doesn't Tetris get considered an honorary Nintendo game though? Kind of like Pac-Man? --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest "F*** Draven." -SBAllen |
ExThaNemesis posted... Why are we talking like Melee even has a chance of winning this match? A full powered Melee has a CHANCE of winning, albeit very small. --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest "F*** Draven." -SBAllen |
UltimaterializerX posted... ExThaNemesis posted...Why are we talking like Melee even has a chance of winning this match? match of the year tho am i rite --- .-#Elements of Water#-. |
3.5 hours in: Undertale/Melee-43375 L-Block/Link/Cloud/Snake-38840 (edited 12/13/2015 12:34:26 AM)report |
It
also goes both ways, in that Smash massively increased the popularity
of certain Zelda characters and Sheik in particular. Smash took her from
a bit player in a larger epic to a badass S-Tier ninja who throws
needles, explodes, and has sicckk combos. Not only in Melee, but she is the consensus best character in Sm4sh which gives her a lot of exposure in tourney streams. (edited 12/13/2015 12:35:23 AM)report |
Man,
Melee actually winning this and then folding to OOT without a fight
would be awful. CT probably ends up #3 in the stats even if Melee
folds, as all it needs to do for that is outdo LTTP's 40% by 0.75%. But
it would be so anticlimactic. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
