DaruniaTheGoron posted...
My point is that Undertale doing so well now is not necessarily an indication of an increase in strength. We saw against Mario 64 that it tailed off. I don't think the well is bottomless. I think that there is a limited voter pool and it's entirely possible that it isn't more than 60-70K extra voters. Which means that if Melee keeps rallying, combined with its natural advantage on GameFAQs, I have a feeling that the afternoon comeback could be swinging the other way tomorrow.

I have no idea if this theory is right, and I can't really prove it, but it's not crazy, is it? And it follows the evidence chain pretty well.


I could see their voter pool growing a bit because the stakes are higher so more people are trying to get friends to vote and retweet and such.


Is the voter pool growing by a significant number, though? Bringing this match to the 200K we're on pace for would require Undertale bringing in close to 50K new voters that haven't shown up yet. Does that really make sense?
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Why does it look like the %s don't change at all?
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TheOneAboveAll posted...
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
My point is that Undertale doing so well now is not necessarily an indication of an increase in strength. We saw against Mario 64 that it tailed off. I don't think the well is bottomless. I think that there is a limited voter pool and it's entirely possible that it isn't more than 60-70K extra voters. Which means that if Melee keeps rallying, combined with its natural advantage on GameFAQs, I have a feeling that the afternoon comeback could be swinging the other way tomorrow.

I have no idea if this theory is right, and I can't really prove it, but it's not crazy, is it? And it follows the evidence chain pretty well.


I could see their voter pool growing a bit because the stakes are higher so more people are trying to get friends to vote and retweet and such.


Is the voter pool growing by a significant number, though? Bringing this match to the 200K we're on pace for would require Undertale bringing in close to 50K new voters that haven't shown up yet. Does that really make sense?


I agree with you that the voter pool could be smaller. I think we are headed to 150k, not 200k. It's the weekend and tumblr users are up late and aware of the start time of the match. They are just voting en masse early because they really care and aren't simply voting when reminded. It will keep up throughout the day but we won't see as big of a surge during the day vote IMO.
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Aren't there Brawl fans who dislike Melee so much they'll vote for Undertake?
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Undyne posted...
https://twitter.com/bobbyscar/status/675921477246447617

This was one of your power sources, Hylian!


I really doubt he voted for either. Melee has helped people like Toph/Scar get jobs at Twitch and is their life in general, though they love undertale yeah.

Scar also wasn't one of the power sources lol, but I promise you like 99% of the people following scar are melee fanatics so it doesn't matter if he votes for melee, if he makes the competition known his followers will vote for melee.
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Arcvalons posted...
Aren't there Brawl fans who dislike Melee so much they'll vote for Undertake?


Yes, there are plenty of smash 4 players like this as well.
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12/12/2015 10:44:55 PM#361
Arcvalons posted...
Undertake


lmao get auto corrected
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"I voted for @UnderTale. Suck it Melee lmfao"

Hylian, you sure the 2.2million guy is going to tweet in FAVOR of Melee, right?
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
TheOneAboveAll posted...
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
My point is that Undertale doing so well now is not necessarily an indication of an increase in strength. We saw against Mario 64 that it tailed off. I don't think the well is bottomless. I think that there is a limited voter pool and it's entirely possible that it isn't more than 60-70K extra voters. Which means that if Melee keeps rallying, combined with its natural advantage on GameFAQs, I have a feeling that the afternoon comeback could be swinging the other way tomorrow.

I have no idea if this theory is right, and I can't really prove it, but it's not crazy, is it? And it follows the evidence chain pretty well.


I could see their voter pool growing a bit because the stakes are higher so more people are trying to get friends to vote and retweet and such.


Is the voter pool growing by a significant number, though? Bringing this match to the 200K we're on pace for would require Undertale bringing in close to 50K new voters that haven't shown up yet. Does that really make sense?


I agree with you that the voter pool could be smaller. I think we are headed to 150k, not 200k. It's the weekend and tumblr users are up late and aware of the start time of the match. They are just voting en masse early because they really care and aren't simply voting when reminded. It will keep up throughout the day but we won't see as big of a surge during the day vote IMO.


Right. That was my entire point. Which means that we won't see the afternoon surge that we are used to and that Undertale could fade throughout the day (I also brought up the weekend point in my original post that got lost due to the crash).
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Hylian88 posted...
Undyne posted...
https://twitter.com/bobbyscar/status/675921477246447617

This was one of your power sources, Hylian!


I really doubt he voted for either. Melee has helped people like Toph/Scar get jobs at Twitch and is their life in general, though they love undertale yeah.

Scar also wasn't one of the power sources lol, but I promise you like 99% of the people following scar are melee fanatics so it doesn't matter if he votes for melee, if he makes the competition known his followers will vote for melee.


Exactly right
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....Undertale already balancing out again, jesus christ.
MetaFalconPunch posted...
Why does it look like the %s don't change at all?


They are changing. The more votes total the smaller the % change per update though.
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Hard to believe contests here can still get this crazy in 2015.
Lynx_7 posted...
"I voted for @UnderTale. Suck it Melee lmfao"

Hylian, you sure the 2.2million guy is going to tweet in FAVOR of Melee, right?


Yes.

Also, doesn't matter that toph voted for undertale, all of his followers are melee fanatics and most of them that would click a contest link would vote for melee.
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Hylian88 posted...
Lynx_7 posted...
"I voted for @UnderTale. Suck it Melee lmfao"

Hylian, you sure the 2.2million guy is going to tweet in FAVOR of Melee, right?


Yes.

Also, doesn't matter that toph voted for undertale, all of his followers are melee fanatics and most of them that would click a contest link would vote for melee.


I would almost argue him saying he voted for Undertale and "suck it Melee" might even piss more people off enough to vote for Melee...
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Hylian88 posted...
Also, doesn't matter that toph voted for undertale, all of his followers are melee fanatics and most of them that would click a contest link would vote for melee.

I'm not as convinced of this as you are. The majority of them maybe, but that's sure to up the backfire rate among people who have played both (and may be a net negative given those same people would likely hear about the match anyway later).
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holy crap these votals

This is exactly what I was hoping for back in 2013 when the whole Draven thing got rolling. It took two years and two beloved games to make it happen, but we're finally seeing a real rally war! I'm so glad I came back to GameFAQS when I did. I would've hated myself if I'd missed this.
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Oh hey Melee finally cut back.
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Smash cut!
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12/12/2015 10:52:18 PM#379
Melee at max power SHOULD be stronger than Undertale at max power. In theory.
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Undertale slowed down there. Hope it means something, but I doubt it.
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The thread on reddit just reached the top link fyi
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Hylian88 posted...
Also, doesn't matter that toph voted for undertale, all of his followers are melee fanatics and most of them that would click a contest link would vote for melee.

I'm not as convinced of this as you are. The majority of them maybe, but that's sure to up the backfire rate among people who have played both (and may be a net negative given those same people would likely hear about the match anyway later).


Certainly it's not a 100% thing, but if you're a competitive melee player/follow the scene then you know it to be true. Melee players are fanatics lol, it's something they are proud of. Sakurai called the competitive melee fanbase "maniacs" and it's something they took to heart.
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LordoftheMorons posted...
You know who has the ability to change the future


Shulk isn't in Melee though
UltimaterializerX posted...
Melee at max power SHOULD be stronger than Undertale at max power. In theory.


Well, when they top a 940 update, let me know.
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Do people think OoT will pull better numbers vs Undertale than melee?

Oot isn't as strong a Link.
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And Undertale's regular late-night slowdown starts early tonight.
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12/12/2015 10:55:48 PM#388
hah

Melee really is going to make a match of it. 200k+ votals here we come.
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LordoftheMorons posted...
You know who has the ability to change the future


If only Shulk was on Melee!
TheOneAboveAll posted...
And Undertale's regular late-night slowdown starts early tonight.


If this were any other match, we'd be freaking out over those 500+ vote updates for Undertale lol
Melee's gonna have to do better than sub 51% cuts as we start to move into Undertale's weakest time of the match.
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Hylian88 posted...
Undyne posted...
Uhhhh, now that...whatever that was is over...

You know, I don't actually think Hylian is all talk.

I just think it's amazing that he is factoring in ZERO blowback in his actions.

The assumption that even a vast majority of the rallied votes would go straight to Melee is insane.


I am certainly factoring in blowback.

I feel like I've already proved I'm not all talk every melee match when I say "these people will rally at this time" and it happens every time lol.

Even if I didn't do this, it's likely another smasher would, it's not like I alone have connections lol. The smash community is huge.

Too bad undertale has tumblr fandom on it's side ;_;.


Eh, don't bother Hylian, they'll be eating their words in 12 hours. Best way to convince them is to actually do it.
Lynx_7 posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
You know who has the ability to change the future


If only Shulk was on Melee!


we think alike huh
Cut #2
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Karma Hunter posted...
Melee's gonna have to do better than sub 51% cuts as we start to move into Undertale's weakest time of the match.


IMO Undertale fans are up late because of the weekend and still voting. This does not surprise me.
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you know who else is up late and still voting
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12/12/2015 10:58:34 PM#397
Hylian you do realize that literally everyone that's played smash or visits smashboards has connections, right. It's not like Armada has the secret service surrounding him, we all know who he is and how to reach him.

You'd better repeat it for the final though if Melee wins, that's all I'm saying.
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I don't know why people are gloating quite yet.

Match isn't even half over and Melee has shown it has rally Power.

Unless Both rallies have already expended their power this soon then there's no chance this is a forgone conclusion
How about instead of CT/FF7/OoT matches let's just have Undertale vs. League Of Legends as the bonus match huh?
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found an undertale post on tumblr with 3500 notes by undertaleheadcanons

they voted melee and apparently made some folks upset so they won't be posting about the contest anymore
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