tgs2 posted...
Tomorrow might be the worst if Undertale is ahead oh Melee. Even worse than if it will be ahead of OoT.


GotD really dodged a bullet with LoL. The complaints would have put 2013 to shame.


LoL wasn't big enough back then to run over GOTD
Tohoya posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Melee's rally could double in size. Heck, call it a triple. It still wouldn't win.

The problem isn't that it can't rally up to OoT's strength indirectly. It's not even a Top 10 game on natural strength, and it'll get SFF crushed by a threatened Ocarina while the backfire on Melee rallies against Zelda will be freaking ginormous.


What do you expect OoT to get on Ct?


That's not the problem, the problem is OOT's backfire rate will be a lot higher than CT's.
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red sox 777 posted...
Tohoya posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Melee's rally could double in size. Heck, call it a triple. It still wouldn't win.

The problem isn't that it can't rally up to OoT's strength indirectly. It's not even a Top 10 game on natural strength, and it'll get SFF crushed by a threatened Ocarina while the backfire on Melee rallies against Zelda will be freaking ginormous.


What do you expect OoT to get on Ct?


That's not the problem, the problem is OOT's backfire rate will be a lot higher than CT's.


Right, because we saw so much backfire in Pokemon/Undertale
Tohoya posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Tohoya posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Melee's rally could double in size. Heck, call it a triple. It still wouldn't win.

The problem isn't that it can't rally up to OoT's strength indirectly. It's not even a Top 10 game on natural strength, and it'll get SFF crushed by a threatened Ocarina while the backfire on Melee rallies against Zelda will be freaking ginormous.


What do you expect OoT to get on Ct?


That's not the problem, the problem is OOT's backfire rate will be a lot higher than CT's.


Right, because we saw so much backfire in Pokemon/Undertale


There is a huge difference between RBY backfire from Undertale rally, compared to OoT backfire from Melee rally.
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Julian_Caesar posted...
Tohoya posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Tohoya posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Melee's rally could double in size. Heck, call it a triple. It still wouldn't win.

The problem isn't that it can't rally up to OoT's strength indirectly. It's not even a Top 10 game on natural strength, and it'll get SFF crushed by a threatened Ocarina while the backfire on Melee rallies against Zelda will be freaking ginormous.


What do you expect OoT to get on Ct?


That's not the problem, the problem is OOT's backfire rate will be a lot higher than CT's.


Right, because we saw so much backfire in Pokemon/Undertale


There is a huge difference between RBY backfire from Undertale rally, compared to OoT backfire from Melee rally.


Considering that the rally was coming from tumblr, not really. They love their pokemon on tumblr.
Are we talking about a hypothetical Melee/OoT final?

Melee might get a few piddling rally attempts. They will fade like a fart on a windy day after everyone remembers how beloved OoT is. Nintendo rallies especially will be useless against it. Nintendo fans don't WANT to rally against it with the possible exception of RBY lunatics.

The love for FFVII has unfortunately waned throughout the years. The love for Ocarina has stood the test of time; it reigns as the one true king, and such a game draws heartfelt fealty across nearly all corners of the internet.
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I'm a Melee player, can confirm the backfire would be huge against OoT
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Tohoya posted...
Julian_Caesar posted...
Tohoya posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Tohoya posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Melee's rally could double in size. Heck, call it a triple. It still wouldn't win.

The problem isn't that it can't rally up to OoT's strength indirectly. It's not even a Top 10 game on natural strength, and it'll get SFF crushed by a threatened Ocarina while the backfire on Melee rallies against Zelda will be freaking ginormous.


What do you expect OoT to get on Ct?


That's not the problem, the problem is OOT's backfire rate will be a lot higher than CT's.


Right, because we saw so much backfire in Pokemon/Undertale


There is a huge difference between RBY backfire from Undertale rally, compared to OoT backfire from Melee rally.


Considering that the rally was coming from tumblr, not really. They love their pokemon on tumblr.


They love Pokémon, not gen 1. Tumblr is mostly comprised of a younger crowd, who has little to no reason to enjoy the older games. Besides, they're not a hive mind, so even if Pokémon is the most popular game on tumblr it doesn't mean every other fanbase there shares the same love.

But I do think think people have been overrating the backfire theory on this contest.
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Well at the very least smashers like OoT a lot
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Tohoya posted...
Julian_Caesar posted...
Tohoya posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Tohoya posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Melee's rally could double in size. Heck, call it a triple. It still wouldn't win.

The problem isn't that it can't rally up to OoT's strength indirectly. It's not even a Top 10 game on natural strength, and it'll get SFF crushed by a threatened Ocarina while the backfire on Melee rallies against Zelda will be freaking ginormous.


What do you expect OoT to get on Ct?


That's not the problem, the problem is OOT's backfire rate will be a lot higher than CT's.


Right, because we saw so much backfire in Pokemon/Undertale


There is a huge difference between RBY backfire from Undertale rally, compared to OoT backfire from Melee rally.


Considering that the rally was coming from tumblr, not really. They love their pokemon on tumblr.


Obviously not. Whereas we know for a fact that OoT has strong SFF against Melee.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Are we talking about a hypothetical Melee/OoT final?

Melee might get a few piddling rally attempts. They will fade like a fart on a windy day after everyone remembers how beloved OoT is. Nintendo rallies especially will be useless against it. Nintendo fans don't WANT to rally against it with the possible exception of RBY lunatics.

The love for FFVII has unfortunately waned throughout the years. The love for Ocarina has stood the test of time; it reigns as the one true king, and such a game draws heartfelt fealty across nearly all corners of the internet.


Every time I listen to KH I want to vote for Melee/OOT. Then I listen to you and I want to vote for Undertale. Sigh.....
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Has there ever been an example of a rally backfire? I was all on the potential Pokemon upset train, but it just didn't materialize, and I'm starting to side with the people who say that people are most likely to just go along with whoever the rallier asks them to vote.
Aite, I may be hamming it up, but nothing that I'm saying is untrue imo. Just look at today - here's a great opportunity to make OoT look pedestrian, if not threatened outright. LttP might be the #2 game on GameFAQs, and it's in the middle of a storm of rallies and YEAR OF THE SNES... and this is the best it can do. 40/60

Nintendo fans don't want OoT to lose. It can get its ass kicked by a final-form Undertale, but it won't lose to a Nintendo game.
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Tohoya posted...
Has there ever been an example of a rally backfire? I was all on the potential Pokemon upset train, but it just didn't materialize, and I'm starting to side with the people who say that people are most likely to just go along with whoever the rallier asks them to vote.


Yes, Link vs. Draven. Allen said 40% of rallied votes went to Link. Excluding Link's own rallies, its still something like 30%.

And, Pokemon looked like it was getting around 25% backfire. Not enough to win, but enough to get close.
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Tohoya posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Tohoya posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Melee's rally could double in size. Heck, call it a triple. It still wouldn't win.

The problem isn't that it can't rally up to OoT's strength indirectly. It's not even a Top 10 game on natural strength, and it'll get SFF crushed by a threatened Ocarina while the backfire on Melee rallies against Zelda will be freaking ginormous.


What do you expect OoT to get on Ct?


That's not the problem, the problem is OOT's backfire rate will be a lot higher than CT's.


Right, because we saw so much backfire in Pokemon/Undertale


Go make an OoT vs Melee poll on smashboards. There's a decent chance OoT will outright win and if not it will certainly do extremely well.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Aite, I may be hamming it up, but nothing that I'm saying is untrue imo. Just look at today - here's a great opportunity to make OoT look pedestrian, if not threatened outright. LttP might be the #2 game on GameFAQs, and it's in the middle of a storm of rallies and YEAR OF THE SNES... and this is the best it can do. 40/60

Nintendo fans don't want OoT to lose. It can get its ass kicked by a final-form Undertale, but it won't lose to a Nintendo game.


In fairness, this isn't a good situation for LTTP. Spillover works against it, and people know what is waiting for OOT in the final. OOT has picked up the mantle of the underdog and hero.

And, CT > LTTP. I feel obligated to say this even though I probably think they're closer indirectly than pretty much anyone here except you maybe.
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To be fair, I also don't believe Melee could put up a fight against Ocarina.
honestly, if OoT>Melee>Undertale happened, that would be a fitting end to this contest

all those rallies to try to change the end result, yet in the end...the future refused to change
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All of this is pie-in-the-sky talk, anyway. Undertale is an enormous favorite.
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updated top 25 or so elite-ish games

God Tier:
Whatever Gets a Major Rally
Ocarina of Time (Highest or second highest in natural strength, can no-sell most Nintendo challengers and has some rallying potential itself)

Upper Elite Tier:
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy VII
A Link to the Past (shaky and very arguable for the #4 spot but it's got the precedent and there's nothing that auto-disqualifies it)
Super Mario 64
Super Mario World
Pokemon RBY (Rallying potentially shifts it to top of this tier)
Super Mario Bros. 3
Final Fantasy VI
Super Smash Bros. Melee (Rallying potentially shifts it to top of this tier)
Majora's Mask
Super Metroid

Lower Elite Tier:
Wind Waker
Twilight Princess
Final Fantasy X
Pokemon GSC
Skyrim
Kingdom Hearts II
Metroid Prime
Final Fantasy IX
Kingdom Hearts
Super Mario RPG (position could go higher if it does well on OoT I guess?)
Metal Gear Solid 3
Metal Gear Solid
Fallout 3

Honorable mentions (Strong midcarders; no particular order and there are probably others I forgot.)
Resident Evil 4
Oblivion
Shadow of the Colossus
Bioshock
Goldeneye
Okami
Half-Life 2
Mega Man X
Super Mario Galaxy
Final Fantasy VIII
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

Probably strong, probably not making another contest:
Super Mario Bros.
The Legend of Zelda
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Super Mario Kart
Mario Kart 64
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Final Destination.
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Without the ASV-trend, Undertale won't have its "pretend to be dead for 16 hours before turbo charging to the lead" thing that it had before, but the SM64 match showed that it doesn't always need it.

Guess we'll just have to see who pushes harder.
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I want to see FF X vs FF IX happen someday, and the winner of that against VIII so we can finally have that little ranking settled.

Big Bob posted...
No rallies. GameFAQs only.

Board 8.


Fixed.
Lynx_7 posted...
I want to see FF X vs FF IX happen someday, and the winner of that against VIII so we can finally have that little ranking settled.

Big Bob posted...
No rallies. GameFAQs only.

Board 8.


Fixed.


Is Persona 4 still the best thing ever on this board?
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I'm not sure if SM64 should be that high, it lost without even forcing Undertale to use it's super mode. And I can't believe the Melee rally would help UT more than SM64 so this seemed like a pretty meh performance.
Undertale matches are not transitive.
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I still think it's depressing that MGS3 is putting such a puny effort in this that there's nothing to discuss for the remainder of the day. God MGS fans are lazy. What a boring round.
MGS3 is decisively ahead of every game that it's been discussed in contention with and came much closer to Super Mario RPG today than any of its previous competitors. Where would you rally enough MGS fans to make up over 2,000 votes anyway?

Also rallying is stupid so it works out anyway
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I've said it a lot, but win or lose, Ocarina of Time's backfire rate will be so much bigger than any other opponent Undertale has had. It's the final, it's legitimately considered the best game ever at numerous places around the Internet, it has a reverence that other games just don't. Undertale will have a fight! If it's Melee, I don't think it would ever be real competitive. Ocarina would cruise.
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Relevant tomorrow lmfao.
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I'm rooting for Undertale, but Melee is the better game by a lot and I would never complain if it won.

Plus Ocarina > Melee wins dpo this contest, which is just godlike.
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Ocarina winning at this point would honestly make the better narrative at this point. We had the big upstart super-rallied figure win in 2013; for Link and Ocarina to triumph even after all that has happened in this contest would be a twist in and of itself.
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MechanicalWall posted...
Ocarina winning at this point would honestly make the better narrative at this point. We had the big upstart super-rallied figure win in 2013; for Link and Ocarina to triumph even after all that has happened in this contest would be a twist in and of itself.


The literal most boring winner possible. f*** that.
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12/12/2015 7:20:03 PM#335
That's the plot twist. Boring is the new unique.
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I don't think it would be boring, considering everything that has happened leading up the final match. Link couldn't manage to save GameFAQs (to dramaticize it) in the last contest, but it would be awesome to see him do it this time, especially if the match is as epic as Link vs Draven (hi Shepard).
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I want OoT to win at this point, but the fact that it's winning only by avoiding FFVII and Chrono Trigger pisses me off to no end.

We have Melee and Undertale to thank for that.
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12/12/2015 7:22:54 PM#338
Undertale winning has become just as boring of a plotline as OoT winning because nearly everybody saw it coming from the start. Once it beat ME3, the contest was over.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
That's the plot twist. Boring is the new unique.


Gross.
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12/12/2015 7:32:00 PM#340
UltimaterializerX posted...
Team Rocket Elite posted...
That's the plot twist. Boring is the new unique.


Gross.


It's not gross. It's unexpected and more interesting! It's the shake up this contest needs after Undertale became the obvious winner.
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ROUND 6 – DAY 1 – SEMIFINAL 1

Match CXXV: (3) Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. (6) Undertale

Previous Rounds

Super Smash Bros. Melee
67.71% against Portal
60.03% against Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
55.30% against Kingdom Hearts II
50.76% against Chrono Trigger
56.28% against Final Fantasy VII

Undertale
50.95% against Mass Effect 3
55.74% against Fallout 3
54.84% against Super Mario World
51.52% against Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow/Green
51.33% against Super Mario 64

Analysis

So the two most heavily entrants meet. By knowing it had no chance Super Mario 64 lost in the most efficient way possible by being just behind Undertale for most of the match to prevent the rallies from burying it. Melee benefitted from Undertale rallying along with its own and was relatively quiet as it easily finished ahead of Final Fantasy VII.

If Melee fans mean serious business and decide to heavily rally then I would give the game a great chance at winning. I know it took a lot from them just to defeat Chrono Trigger, but it is quite clear they could do more. Apparently there’s a tournament finals going on tomorrow so a lot of people are going to be in a Melee mood. However, Undertale’s rallies have been established and right now it is the more likely game to win the match.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Super Mario 64 > Final Fantasy VII

charmander6000’s Prediction: Undertale wins, 51.27% - 48.73%
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
It's the shake up this contest needs after Undertale became the obvious winner.


If it repeats last round's performance and doesn't go full god mode, Melee's rally can beat it. It isn't like you Pokemon fans, who can never agree about anything!
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KH2 > FF7 in the xstats

oh my
12/12/2015 7:44:18 PM#344
Undertale didn't hit the overdrive against Mario 64 because it didn't need to. We were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ahead of Pokemon/Undertale the first half of the match. We fell way behind by the end because Undertale didn't need it. Melee won't be facing that Undertale unless its rally just doesn't materialize.
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12/12/2015 7:46:07 PM#346
I'm going to rally every CT and FF fansite I can think of and show them what Melee did to them.
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12/12/2015 7:49:19 PM#347
I guess it's technically possible, but I'll believe that's not the ralliers being lazy when I see it.
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Hm, so the worst game wins the best game contest. Basically L-Block redux.
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charmander6000 posted...
Apparently there’s a tournament finals going on tomorrow so a lot of people are going to be in a Melee mood.


Everything you said is well founded but I'd like to point out that there's tournament finals basically every single Sunday, and that this one isn't especially big or anything.
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LeonhartFour posted...
I'm going to rally every CT and FF fansite I can think of and show them what Melee did to them.


Why would you try and rally GameFaqs? We're all already here.
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