12/12/2015 12:04:04 PM#251
I don't remember the board's reaction to Melee, but the Melee fanbase is at an entirely different level in terms of fanaticism post-Brawl than they were pre-Brawl.
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Watch what happens tomorrow with the Melee fanbase if (when) it loses to Undertale. Just watch it.

If you can.
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12/12/2015 12:09:30 PM#253
They brought that on themselves. A loss to CT or even FF7 would have been much easier to take than a loss to Undertale.
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12/12/2015 12:10:15 PM#254
Well, the only reason they rallied so much (and part of why it was so effective) was because of that fanaticism.

If RE4 was easy to rally for, I'm sure it could get a nice boost in strength for the same reason...!
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...

People put predictions for Mario back then based on his outside-GameFAQs appeal. You have to consider these factors when making a bracket.


Of course they did! It was the very first contest of any kind, and Mario is the icon of the video game world. Before anyone knew anything about these sorts of contests, you naturally went with casual appeal popular icons. It had absolutely zero to do with 'is XXX website going to be rallied for XXX character.' These arguments seem so over the top. You know way better than this.
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12/12/2015 12:15:45 PM#256
Well, it's a lot of hindsight bias, like when Ulti says, "THE ENTIRE INTERNET RALLIED CLOUD AGAINST LINK!"

this argument was literally never made before two weeks ago
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Yes, exactly! This whole 'rallies have always existed all the time everywhere' not only misses the point to what people are complaining about, but is some hardcore revisionist history. StarCraft in 04 was our first real taste of the kind of rallying people do not like, and then it might as well have been non-existent in its current form until last contest with Draven. Maybe L-Block? Can't remember if that was any kind of rallying, or just an enormous jokey bandwagon. Probably both.

True facts: GameFAQs voted Cloud over Link. Tumblr is voting Undertale to champion.
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LeonhartFour posted...
At least it won't end early!

But a lot of RE4 fans complained when it lost to FFX in GOTD, too. It's just one of those games where its fans will feel like its losses are never justified.

(Same with Melee)


That's because they're not justified. Literally losing to random Zelda and Mario games.

I say this as someone who really likes Twilight Princess and Super Mario RPG (based on what little I've played of it, I tried playing it years ago and got stuck somewhere, then restarted last year but just forgot about it quickly). But they're not in RE4's league at all.

RE4 losing to Twilight Princess is like Super Mario 64 losing to Sonic Adventure.
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...Cloud looked straight up stronger than Link in 2003. Stronger than he actually won by, honestly (65% ON MAGUS). Cloud/Link 2003 looks like a big-ass Link rally, not the other way around. Zelda's always had the rally edge on Final Fantasy.
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ZFS posted...
Yes, exactly! This whole 'rallies have always existed all the time everywhere' not only misses the point to what people are complaining about, but is some hardcore revisionist history. StarCraft in 04 was our first real taste of the kind of rallying people do not like, and then it might as well have been non-existent in its current form until last contest with Draven. Maybe L-Block? Can't remember if that was any kind of rallying, or just an enormous jokey bandwagon. Probably both.

True facts: GameFAQs voted Cloud over Link. Tumblr is voting Undertale to champion.


A sort of Franchise Original Sin for GameFAQs contests if you will - StarCraft in '04, then L-Block in '07, then Missingno in '10, then Draven and Undertale.
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I blame Crono for anything Missingno related

What a joker letting a glitch beat him
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12/12/2015 12:24:34 PM#262
Starcraft also blatantly cheated in 2004, but that's a story for another time!

I mean, if people want to rally in a 50/50 match and go back and forth, sure, whatever. Those matches would have been close anyway. It kills a lot of the fun now because rallies are much more overwhelming than they used to be, in part due to our reduced vote totals and in part just because of the social media age. Rallies could never make the significant dent then that they do now.
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Karma Hunter posted...
Watch what happens tomorrow with the Melee fanbase if (when) it loses to Undertale. Just watch it.

If you can.


I honestly don't think there's gonna be any real backlash. I suppose it's possible, especially with the dynamic of rally vs. rally, but while this contest has gotten a lot of participation, I don't feel that it has gotten the same level of emotional investment as other things have for the Melee fanbase.
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Undertale wins. We have another games contest in 2017. How far do you take Undertale?
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12/12/2015 12:25:29 PM#265
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Undertale wins. We have another games contest in 2017. How far do you take Undertale?


Up until whenever it faces Mass Effect 3.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Undertale wins. We have another games contest in 2017. How far do you take Undertale?


Losing in the first round.
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Undertale would have literally lost in the first round if it was against anything stronger than Mass Effect 3.

Among 11 seeds though that's probably only RE2, maybe also RE1. Also Silent Hill 2 I guess since that's statistically projected to give Mass Effect *2* a close match.

Just to ask something, did Mario Galaxy actually finish ahead of FFIV in the x-stats? Does anyone actually take that?
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12/12/2015 12:28:46 PM#268
LinkMarioSamus posted...
did Mario Galaxy actually finish ahead of FFIV in the x-stats? Does anyone actually take that?


Why not?

It gets 35% on LTTP and suddenly FFIV is some powerhouse what the heck is going on here
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LeonhartFour posted...
I mean, if people want to rally in a 50/50 match and go back and forth, sure, whatever. Those matches would have been close anyway. It kills a lot of the fun now because rallies are much more overwhelming than they used to be, in part due to our reduced vote totals and in part just because of the social media age. Rallies could never make the significant dent then that they do now.


This hits the nail on the head.
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12/12/2015 12:48:52 PM#270
Did 2k4 Starcraft even have rally like trends? I've been meaning to go back and look but never got around to it. Back then we didn't really have any idea what a rally looked like but we sort of do now.
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12/12/2015 12:59:27 PM#271
I know what a 2400 vote update looks like.
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LeonhartFour posted...
I know what a 2400 vote update looks like.


looks like cheating?
12/12/2015 1:08:53 PM#273
wait a second

could...Super Smash Bros. Melee be the Space Jam savior

If Link is Michael Jordan, then...the team has been assembled

looks like I'm going to be blasting the Space Jam OST tomorrow
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blast this instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNMX988Xqi8
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12/12/2015 1:10:29 PM#275
I'm not falling for that trap.
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12/12/2015 1:11:08 PM#276
Everybody get up it's time to slam now
We got a real jam goin' down
Welcome to the Space Jam
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LeonhartFour posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
did Mario Galaxy actually finish ahead of FFIV in the x-stats? Does anyone actually take that?


Why not?

It gets 35% on LTTP and suddenly FFIV is some powerhouse what the heck is going on here


It's just with how badly Mario games, especially newer ones, have done, whereas SNES games have gone beast...

Who's higher in the stats between Galaxy and SOTN? Imagine if those two games switched places this bracket.

Also Morrowind vs Xenoblade who wins?
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LeonhartFour posted...
wait a second

could...Super Smash Bros. Melee be the Space Jam savior

If Link is Michael Jordan, then...the team has been assembled

looks like I'm going to be blasting the Space Jam OST tomorrow

*takes off glasses*

my god
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
Did 2k4 Starcraft even have rally like trends? I've been meaning to go back and look but never got around to it. Back then we didn't really have any idea what a rally looked like but we sort of do now.


Yes, StarCraft swung 2000 votes with the SNV against Halo, Wind Waker, and SSBM. And cheated 1300 votes beyond that against SSBM.
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Also to be fair we weren't too happy with Starcraft, especially after it defeated Wind Waker.
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StarCraft was great, and was far from an unstoppable rally. It lost to SSBM because SSBM was just too strong, the rallies couldn't make up a 3800 vote deficit.
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12/12/2015 1:45:00 PM#282
I am so proud of that Undertale picture. That took a lot of work to get right.
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Going into the semis, I wouldn't be surprised if three of the contestants won the whole thing. Has there ever been a contest where that's been the case aside from 2002?
12/12/2015 2:15:33 PM#285
Tohoya posted...
Going into the semis, I wouldn't be surprised if three of the contestants won the whole thing. Has there ever been a contest where that's been the case aside from 2002?


Melee isn't beating OoT even if it beats Undertale.
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Please, they're clearly talking about the inevitable SMRPG bandwagon.
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12/12/2015 2:17:54 PM#287
Well, I was assuming he was mistaken in assuming Melee could be the third when the only two possible winners now are Undertale and Mario RPG.
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LeonhartFour posted...
Tohoya posted...
Going into the semis, I wouldn't be surprised if three of the contestants won the whole thing. Has there ever been a contest where that's been the case aside from 2002?


Melee isn't beating OoT even if it beats Undertale.


I mean, I wouldn't say it's likely and I'd probably give Melee a maybe 20% chance of pulling it off if it gets that far, but it wouldn't be unprecedently shocking if Melee managed to rally to victory, is what I'm saying.

Also, did the ad idea peter out? That's something that could really put this contest over the top.
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Melee, a 20% chance of beating Ocarina.

Really.
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What if SMRPG beat OOT
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Tohoya posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Tohoya posted...
Going into the semis, I wouldn't be surprised if three of the contestants won the whole thing. Has there ever been a contest where that's been the case aside from 2002?


Melee isn't beating OoT even if it beats Undertale.


I mean, I wouldn't say it's likely and I'd probably give Melee a maybe 20% chance of pulling it off if it gets that far, but it wouldn't be unprecedently shocking if Melee managed to rally to victory, is what I'm saying.

Also, did the ad idea peter out? That's something that could really put this contest over the top.


I don't think anyone is actually going to soend money in this
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Karma Hunter posted...
Melee, a 20% chance of beating Ocarina.

Really.


It beat Chrono Trigger, which most of the people in the stats topic expected to give OoT a run for its money, and pasted its long-time rival FFVII. Rallies are the defining feature of this contest. Under most circumstances, you're right - but you have to take into account the black swan events. The times when everything goes right, one prominent pro player tweets it out, a few other pros get on the bandwagon, it spreads to Twitch... Melee has incredibly variable strength because it's got a wide reservoir of rally support that it hasn't fully tapped into yet, and we have no clue when or if it's going to turn it on.
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12/12/2015 2:25:21 PM#293
Nanis23 posted...
What if SMRPG beat OOT


if you thought people got mad when Mario RPG beat Street Fighter II or Resident Evil 4

hoo boy
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Melee's rally could double in size. Heck, call it a triple. It still wouldn't win.

The problem isn't that it can't rally up to OoT's strength indirectly. It's not even a Top 10 game on natural strength, and it'll get SFF crushed by a threatened Ocarina while the backfire on Melee rallies against Zelda will be freaking ginormous.
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Nanis23 posted...
What if SMRPG beat OOT


Now this I can get behind. It's about to beat my favorite game out of the remaining 8 anyway.

Unfortunately the chance of that happening is absolutely zero.
I'd spend money for self-defense with Chrono Trigger. Spending money to make Ocarina of Time win a GameFAQs contest though..... No. No way.
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LeonhartFour posted...
http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/bge20/r6/9.jpg
http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/bge20/r6/43.jpg


I think "UNDERTALE" should've been at the center of the picture. At least on my pc the pictures are always cut a little bit at the sides, so it's probably going to spell "dertale" here or something like that. Probably has something to do with my resolution.
red sox 777 posted...
We may be looking at 160k votes tomorrow, if Gamefaqs votes surge by as much as I think they will. It's a confluence of (1) the semifinals, (2) 1 poll per day, and (3) hype. It's too bad we won't get an unrallied/spillover semifinal match so we can see how much of tomorrow's votals is rallying and how much is Gamefaqs.


Assuming we do get the site banner starting with tomorrow's match, we won't have any idea what kind of impact it will have on vote totals since the second semifinal match will have inflated vote totals due to spillover.
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Tomorrow might be the worst if Undertale is ahead oh Melee. Even worse than if it will be ahead of OoT.


GotD really dodged a bullet with LoL. The complaints would have put 2013 to shame.
Karma Hunter posted...
Melee's rally could double in size. Heck, call it a triple. It still wouldn't win.

The problem isn't that it can't rally up to OoT's strength indirectly. It's not even a Top 10 game on natural strength, and it'll get SFF crushed by a threatened Ocarina while the backfire on Melee rallies against Zelda will be freaking ginormous.


What do you expect OoT to get on Ct?

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