Seginustemple posted...
SMRPG is putting up more on MGS:3 than Paper Mario put up on Tales of Symphonia. This site is ridiculous sometimes


Pretty much. I thought TTYD was the most popular of that series, so I took Oblivion > SMRPG.

Though it's nice for "Year of the SNES" to have some vindication after otherwise self-destructing the last 2 rounds. But then again, Divisions 7-8 were supposed to be mostly Nintendo and Square free, so a game that's both winning is lol.
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12/12/2015 1:41:55 AM#102
48% get for MGS3!

"Para-Medic, there's some marshmallow looking thing here."

"Don't even think about trying to eat him."

*grumble, grumble*
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Karma Hunter posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Uh it's pretty obvious that not every Nintendo game can rally votes on that scale. But Pokemon can. This isn't in dispute. Squirtle being rallied thousands of votes to put him over Cloud is a thing that happened.

Pokemon rallies are special. As special as SSBM's (or more)? Well, we should have a better idea of that tomorrow.


Pokemon has demonstrated rallies in the area of 10k votes (gross, not net). Smash has done 20k. With a rally the size of Cloud/Squitle or even RBY/UT, CT still beats Melee easily and probably never loses an hour.


I don't find your argument that Pokemon rallied less than Melee particularly compelling. The numbers have too many holes and rely on too many suppositions for me to grant them.

RBY/UT was way more high-profile than Squirtle/Cloud, especially since so many more people were behind it and the activity it generated on reddit, /v/, you name it, was much higher. I am totally behind Melee bringing everything it had against CT and more. But I don't want excuses if at the end of the day ("Undertale got stronger than the Pokemon match!") if it gets its clock cleaned.


Excuses? Undertale WILL be stronger tomorrow. It gets stronger every round. You've been saying this for weeks. I've been saying that Pokemon and OOT are the best shots to beat UT for weeks.

Pokemon's main advantage was always backfire. And counterrallies to an extent, but backfire was why it and OOT had/have the best chance to beat UT.
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I don't think we've seen any significant backfire against the Undertale rally in any of its matches; I don't see any reason for it to start now
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Hard to calculate backfire too well, but we were estimating 23% for Pokemon and 18% for SMW. Definitely disappointing for Pokemon, but not nothing.

Oh, and 50% backfire for that Masuda tweet for Pokemon lololol.
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red sox 777 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Uh it's pretty obvious that not every Nintendo game can rally votes on that scale. But Pokemon can. This isn't in dispute. Squirtle being rallied thousands of votes to put him over Cloud is a thing that happened.

Pokemon rallies are special. As special as SSBM's (or more)? Well, we should have a better idea of that tomorrow.


Pokemon has demonstrated rallies in the area of 10k votes (gross, not net). Smash has done 20k. With a rally the size of Cloud/Squitle or even RBY/UT, CT still beats Melee easily and probably never loses an hour.


I don't find your argument that Pokemon rallied less than Melee particularly compelling. The numbers have too many holes and rely on too many suppositions for me to grant them.

RBY/UT was way more high-profile than Squirtle/Cloud, especially since so many more people were behind it and the activity it generated on reddit, /v/, you name it, was much higher. I am totally behind Melee bringing everything it had against CT and more. But I don't want excuses if at the end of the day ("Undertale got stronger than the Pokemon match!") if it gets its clock cleaned.


Excuses? Undertale WILL be stronger tomorrow. It gets stronger every round. You've been saying this for weeks. I've been saying that Pokemon and OOT are the best shots to beat UT for weeks.

Pokemon's main advantage was always backfire. And counterrallies to an extent, but backfire was why it and OOT had/have the best chance to beat UT.


Well, I expect Undertale to be stronger next round than it was against Pokemon, but not to such a degree that Melee shouldn't be able to do similar things to it if the rallies are similar to Pokemon's.
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LTTP not getting murdered by SFF makes me think Melee has a prayer if it actually makes the final.
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I don't really remember much from the old 1v1 contests; does SFF increase in 4-ways? It would make sense to me if it did seeing as people might strategically vote to make sure one of the two games they prefer advances.
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SFF can be greatly exacerbated in fourways, especially when combined with the dreaded LPF (Last Place Factor). Voters strategically voting for the stronger entity has been well-documented at this point. You'll never, ever, ever see OoT more than triple LttP or Solid Snake double Samus Aran in a 1v1 contest match.
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I never expected SMRPG to be such the dark horse that it was, damn.
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LordoftheMorons posted...
I don't really remember much from the old 1v1 contests; does SFF increase in 4-ways? It would make sense to me if it did seeing as people might strategically vote to make sure one of the two games they prefer advances.


Yeah there were talks here in this board about stuff like this, hence Mewtwo>>>>Sephiroth (in order to challenge Draven) and stuff like that
Voting for the strongest game/character to avoid LFF
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You can even get result flips due to strategic voting, if voters perceive one entity as having a much stronger chance than another entity. Vivi > Squall was a good candidate for that, though after this contest who can be really sure.
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Mewtwo/Sephiroth/Draven was a sad thing to watch. The board deciding between Seph or Mewtwo, when both were completely doomed.
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I'm really not sure why everyone so overwhelmingly sided with Snake to take on Draven but I'm not really complaining there

e: ...it's because Snake Always Wins, isn't it
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Wtf is up with SMRPG? Isn't it a very basic RPG? Why are people so into it?
RyoCaliente posted...
Wtf is up with SMRPG? Isn't it a very basic RPG? Why are people so into it?


Because nostalgia
Paper Mario is so much better ugh
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
Why was that s***ty codec pic used twice?

Also allen needs to stop giving games huge pic advantages. You know a ton of people voting have never played the damn games. The me2 pic was absolute s***.


It wasn't even a codec pic, it was MGS1's title screen.
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I just woke up and I checked the results. This is what I have to say:
1st match=If LTTP finishes above 40% that would be something.
2nd match=MGS 3 hangs on very well, but of course Americans love everything with Mario on it so they vote for it(except Mario Maker I guess)

As for tomorrow match...I want to vote Undertale but Smash has Cloud in it so in a sense he can reach the final match! I don't know!
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Cloud's not in Melee!
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I don't know why people think OoT is looking bad here, LttP has done some scary things this contest.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
Cloud's not in Melee!


It doesn't matter
In some people eyes he is now "part of Nintendo"
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Damn you are right! I was thinking about the wrong Smash game! Now my vote is clear, it goes to Undertale! But I think Melee is the favorite to win.
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Achromatic posted...
I don't know why people think OoT is looking bad here, LttP has done some scary things this contest.


It doesn't
LTTP resisting SFF was expected
I think the only game that got SFF'd hard this contest was Mario Kart 8 and even then I am not sure if it wasn't natural strength
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...nothing LttP has done this contest has been remotely scary. 65% on FFIV, being projected out to only 55-45 MM based on Dark Souls, and then nearly choking against LttP against an MM that nearly choked against MM, no matter the circumstances.

I mean, come on, at that point you're just saying "it's done scary things" as a self-rationalizing justification.
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KH: now tell me one shred of game data that says 65% on FFIV is bad.

I'll wait.
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As for the OoT performance as long as it's not SFFing LttP significantly or otherwise overperforming, it looks fine. Of course if you think LttP is worth something like 45%+ on it indirectly based on this then yeah this is bad, real bad.
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Achromatic posted...
I don't know why people think OoT is looking bad here, LttP has done some scary things this contest.


65% on Final Fantasy IV and 52% on a game that struggled with Super Metroid, oh my what a monster.

I'm surprised we got Galaxy > FFIV in the stats after all the newer Mario games bombing and SNES games doing well. And then FFXII > Dark Souls wow. For all we know Majora's Mask and MGS3 scored a measure of rSFF against LTTP and MGS1, same for KH2 against KH1 and Brawl against Melee back in GOTD.
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Man we all know that there was some crazy spillover in LttP/MM, and that MM match picture was like, crazy good. LttP is the people's champ
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Achromatic posted...
KH: now tell me one shred of game data that says 65% on FFIV is bad.

I'll wait.


There's not one shred of data that says that it's good. "This is scary" is a self-rationalizing justification with no basis in, well, anything.

CT got 65% on FFX and was scoring to get in the 60s on Melee before the rally dropped. Super Mario 64 got 65% on Final Fantasy Tactics. Even FF7 got 65% on Smash 4. I see no reason to decisively favor FF4 against any of those opponents, let alone all of them.
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Hey man I was drinking the CT hype juice, don't got to convince me of that. Like when did I say LttP = this year's CT like why you got to throw the CT hammer down on me like that.

FFT vs FFIV I don't know, that one seems close to me.
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I'd take LttP > SM64 but I wouldn't be happy about it. Not at all. Link to the Past = Super Mario 64 is probably a better estimation of my feelings there.

Maybe LttP = FF7 on natural strength too but lol FF7 would never win that on RallyFAQs.
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Actually ugh Super Mario 64 I've always had super above Majora even if LttP breaks 55% on MM in a more normal match.

But then SM64 let Twilight Princess get 43% on it.

But then again, it had a horrible picture, and LttP has the worst pics in the biz.

Ah, screw it, fanboy pick time, LttP it is.
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Also LttP-MM-Super Metroid has like, thrown into chaos what I thought about like, contests period.

Like I think we can all agree this was not the 2004 SM we saw. Somewhere along the line it grew a backbone.
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Super Metroid is probably lucky as hell that it didn't have to face Link to the Past directly. But I agree that it's vaulted itself into the discussion of being put on a tier of elite games from almost out of nowhere.

Even still, I shy a bit away from that. Even if you assume LttP/MM is something like 55-45 normally, LttP is projected to only get 64% on Super Mario Galaxy... and I have very little respect for Galaxy's strength. That's also including whatever SFF Super Metroid pounded Mario with.

SM is strong. But that strong? It'll be very interesting when we see these games again.
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And what makes you think Super Metroid is weak?
For all we know SMRPG was supposed to be weak too, and look how it beat RE4 and is going to beat MGS3 as well
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Karma Hunter posted...
Super Metroid is probably lucky as hell that it didn't have to face Link to the Past directly. But I agree that it's vaulted itself into the discussion of being put on a tier of elite games from almost out of nowhere.

Even still, I shy a bit away from that. Even if you assume LttP/MM is something like 55-45 normally, LttP is projected to only get 64% on Super Mario Galaxy... and I have very little respect for Galaxy's strength. That's also including whatever SFF Super Metroid pounded Mario with.

SM is strong. But that strong? It'll be very interesting when we see these games again.


Honestly I think 55-45 is probably selling LttP short. I know we don't like to adjust a lot but there was a lot of spill over and that MM match pick .... I mean dude. That was like MM at the height of its powers. The LttP was okay but that MM pick was crazy. Write me down for 58-42 on natural strength, no spillover, neutral picture.
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I... just said why I thought that. I mean, I said the opposite of it being 'weak', but you know.

Super Mario Galaxy 2 got bitten by the upset bug against Mass Effect 1, and we've seen how trash that series has looked this contest. Galaxy 1 should > Galaxy 2, but we've seen Galaxy throw out s*** performances in the past as well. Twilight Princess did significantly better against Galaxy in GotD as well compared to Super Metroid, and while it has reasons to score more SFF you've got to be a bit better than Twilight Princess to get into the tier of 'elite' that SM looks to be in now.
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Nanis23 posted...
And what makes you think Super Metroid is weak?
For all we know SMRPG was supposed to be weak too, and look how it beat RE4 and is going to beat MGS3 as well


Okay first off no SMRPG was not supposed to be weak, it was just supposed to be a little less strong than RE4. Lots of people thought it was close in strength to RE4 and RE4 weakened. So that narrative is just a lie.

Secondly: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1639-division-16-round-2-the-legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past
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The bottom half of this bracket is why this site is a joke.All it needs is 1 Mario game to destroy everything.A good summary is Nintendo wins and Square is used as a backup strat when Nintendo is not in the poll.
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Achromatic posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Super Metroid is probably lucky as hell that it didn't have to face Link to the Past directly. But I agree that it's vaulted itself into the discussion of being put on a tier of elite games from almost out of nowhere.

Even still, I shy a bit away from that. Even if you assume LttP/MM is something like 55-45 normally, LttP is projected to only get 64% on Super Mario Galaxy... and I have very little respect for Galaxy's strength. That's also including whatever SFF Super Metroid pounded Mario with.

SM is strong. But that strong? It'll be very interesting when we see these games again.


Honestly I think 55-45 is probably selling LttP short. I know we don't like to adjust a lot but there was a lot of spill over and that MM match pick .... I mean dude. That was like MM at the height of its powers. The LttP was okay but that MM pick was crazy. Write me down for 58-42 on natural strength, no spillover, neutral picture.


58-42 has LttP at a doubling on Galaxy. That would make me feel somewhat more secure in OoT, but it's also hard to square with its projection through Perfect Dark, especially since Perfect Dark has every reason to be weaker since the last time we saw it, not stronger (see: Goldeneye).

Again, it's hard to say which way things go, especially since the odds of there being some SFF involved in these Zelda matches is collectively stratospheric. It's a shame we didn't get to see them in more debatable or diverse matches, but they entertained well enough I suppose.
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shane15 posted...
The bottom half of this bracket is why this site is a joke.All it needs is 1 Mario game to destroy everything.A good summary is Nintendo wins and Square is used as a backup strat when Nintendo is not in the poll.


No this site is a joke because it is filled with a lot of stupid people who overreact to things. Nintendo is popular in a lot of places.
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So speaking of SMRPG from 6 AM EST to the finish it bounced back 1.5% or so vs RE4. Saturday is going to make the US vote be sluggish I think though, MGS3 is clearly a step above RE4, and some of its trends are crazy. I think SMRPG could, in theory, drop this but probably not. I am betting on around 52% to end.
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Achromatic posted...
shane15 posted...
The bottom half of this bracket is why this site is a joke.All it needs is 1 Mario game to destroy everything.A good summary is Nintendo wins and Square is used as a backup strat when Nintendo is not in the poll.


No this site is a joke because it is filled with a lot of stupid people who overreact to things. Nintendo is popular in a lot of places.


Yeah, I get the feeling that most people probably have in mind those stupid game contests on other sites where newer games rule the roost, more or less eating Nintendo out but doing even worse things to other Japanese companies' games.

EDIT: Nintendo is probably more popular, maybe even greatly so, here compared to elsewhere, but you're perfect right otherwise.
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MGS3 winning here would go against every trend we have and basically confirm that SMRPG was only ever ahead in the first place because of spillover. I still think a 1% shot for MGS3 is being pretty fair to it. 52-53% for SMRPG to finish sounds right.
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Now here's the only fun thing we have left if SMRPG wins: can OoT match CT's 2004 number.
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Almost a cut for LttP, lol
Huh, guess this timeframe is either really pro-LttP or anti-OoT.

...or just a lot of variance but that's not nearly as fun.
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Wow I'm in the leaderboard. And the top half of it!

Thanks Melee rally.
Going to the store, but of note SMRPG bottomed out at 6:30 est vs RE4.

Come on some good ole fashioned intrigue!
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