I didn't even remember Kratos's 2013 matches until I just now looked them up. I was thinking back on 45% on Charizard in 2010.

So yeah, maybe not Kratos. It's a pretty big dropoff after the first 3 though.
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ROUND 5 – DAY 2 – BOTTOM OF BRACKET

Match CXXIII: (1) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs. (1) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

Previous Rounds

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
91.03% against Hearthstone
76.89% against Suikoden II
64.96% against Final Fantasy IX
68.18% against Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
88.02% against Cave Story
65.45% against Final Fantasy IV
70.58% against Dark Souls
52.39% against The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask

Analysis

After struggling so hard to defeat Majora’s Mask there isn’t much of a chance for Link to the Past to defeat the strongest Zelda game. The rally spillover last round favoured Majora’s Mask so much that it took the lead for a little while. While the two games aren’t completely connected to the hip it does seem relatively safe to say that Ocarina of Time would get a more favourable performance, not that it needs it.

The other main question would be whether Ocarina of Time can SFF Link to the Past. The last time they met was in 2009 and there was heavy SFF though circumstances at the time required it. This time there is less incentive for SFF to occur and for the most part in this contest SFF has been kept to a minimum. This will probably end up looking like FFVII/FFVI where Ocarina of Time will overperform slightly.

charmander6000’s Bracket: LoZ: Ocarina of Time > LoZ: Link to the Past

charmander6000’s Prediction: LoZ: Ocarina of Time wins, 61.32% - 38.68%



Match CXXIV: (9) Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars vs. (3) Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

Previous Rounds

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
54.43% against The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
57.20% against Grand Theft Auto V
60.74% against Chrono Cross
55.53% against Resident Evil 4

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
69.50% against Mother 3
52.03% against BioShock
60.64% against Mass Effect 2
51.86% against Metal Gear Solid

Analysis

Well this is a bit of a surprising match-up. Super Mario RPG was able to make Resident Evil 4 look weaker than Oblivion while MGS3 went against conventional rankings and defeated MGS. In this match it comes down to whether or not you think Resident Evil 4 is as strong as it was before.

I still think Resident Evil 4 is legit and it is Super Mario RPG just being a strong game. The Metal Gear Solid 2/Shadow of the Colossus comparison predicted MGS3/MGS quite well and that assumed a Resident Evil 4 relatively equal to Metal Gear Solid 3. Of course RE4’s other performances place it at around its 2010 strength as well. Rally spillover will probably help Super Mario RPG given the games being rallied.

Out of all of the Mario games I didn’t expect this one to be the only one reaching the semi-finals, but here we are. It is kind of funny that this quarter bracket was designed so a non-Nintendo/Square game could win it yet one of the few Nintendo/Square games that was on this side ends up winning it.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Metal Gear Solid > Resident Evil 4

charmander6000’s Prediction: Super Mario RPG wins, 55.89% - 44.11%
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BGE3: Today's Matches FFVII > CT, SM64 > Pokemon RBYG
Points 195/256
Will SM64 end up below Pokemon?
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BGE3: Today's Matches FFVII > CT, SM64 > Pokemon RBYG
Points 195/256
Karma Hunter posted...
I bet my house that all of you Meleedrones won't come within 1000 votes of beating Undertale


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charmander6000 posted...
Will SM64 end up below Pokemon?


Doesn't look like it. Undertale isn't gaining quickly enough.
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ExThaNemesis posted...
Hylian88 posted...
Viviff is not a melee tournament player, he plays smash4. They are not the same scene, and viviff would have pretty much no impact on any sort of melee rally.


This is wrong. He has run Melee tournaments before.

Hylian88 posted...
I just like to hate on Viviff because he goes around claiming to be a "pro" while living in one of the lowest skilled smash states and not having a single notable result against a well known player, as well has having never placed even remotely well at a national tournament.


I would bet my entire house on Viviff destroying you.


http://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:Hylian

You would lose your house pretty easily. I've been going to tournaments since 2003, have made top 32 at multiple nationals, taken tournament sets off some of the best players in the world(tyrant/dojo/lain/etc), etc etc. This was for brawl, but I am also good at melee and certainly better than Viviff as melee is currently the only smash game I play.
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maybe you should bet part of your house then

like maybe let Hylian have the kitchen if he wins
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In all of Undertale's matches so far, it has failed to win Canada. The primary reason for this is Quebec, where Undertale performs much worse there than any other province. I guess Tumblr doesn't have a very large Canada demographic and a nearly non-existent Quebec demographic.
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Are we assuming Smash tournament results between braggart manchildren are transitive
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French Canadians don't use Tumblr confirmed
Karma Hunter posted...
Are we assuming Smash tournament results between braggart manchildren are transitive


Results are a pretty easy way to ascertain your skill when someone calls you out on it.

The problem is Viviff doesn't have any good results so he can't use that defense :3.
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But are they linear
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Undertale does not have a French-language localization yet, nor does it have a francophone presence in the fandom afaik. I imagine this plays a large role in making it unknown to Quebec audiences.
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-LusterSoldier- posted...
In all of Undertale's matches so far, it has failed to win Canada. The primary reason for this is Quebec, where Undertale performs much worse there than any other province. I guess Tumblr doesn't have a very large Canada demographic and a nearly non-existent Quebec demographic.


Is the game available in French? There are strict laws in Quebec about language.

They impose French on the rest of the country but pretty much refuse English in their province
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<3 Quebec. Fighting the good fight.
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RPGlord95 posted...
Is the game available in French? There are strict laws in Quebec about language.

They impose French on the rest of the country but pretty much refuse English in their province


Well, Undertale is a digital-only game, so I doubt Quebec's laws would prevent Undertale from being sold there. Physical copies are a different story, though.
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Quebec can't win prizes or play Undertale? What the hell goes on there?
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These matches were far more boring than I expected.

Hopefully Melee vs Undertale produces something more exciting.
Quebec can't win prizes or play Undertale? What the hell goes on there?

They can have both, it just needs to be in French.
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BGE3: Today's Matches FFVII > CT, SM64 > Pokemon RBYG
Points 195/256
I'm completely unfamiliar with Steam, so I have no idea if Undertale is available on Steam for those in Quebec.
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Haha the French suck so much

Just imagine being French (even French-Canadian) for a minute. Jesus christ.
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Hylian88 posted...
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
Like, the Undertale votals were up early for the Pokemon match and now they are down. Probably ends up close but it just peaked early.

The Melee rally barely even got going tbh. It only has like 400 upvotes on reddit and took hours to go up.

In the CT match it was up around 25 minutes and eventually reached something like 1400 upvotes. If the rally was stronger SM64 conceivably could have won if there really is an Undertale ceiling. If there isn't a ceiling then it likely would have counter rallied though.


The smashboards post alone reached 8k+ people, with almost 3k clicks to the voting link. Some smash pros also retweeted about the competition. It wasn't melees full rally strength, but there was def more than a small reddit thread.


3k is about what I expected. The Reddit thread was huge though, I estimate it brought in around 13k. It did have the advantage of going first, as it was up for many hours before the rest of the rally got going.
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Hylian88 posted...
You would lose your house pretty easily. I've been going to tournaments since 2003, have made top 32 at multiple nationals, taken tournament sets off some of the best players in the world(tyrant/dojo/lain/etc), etc etc. This was for brawl, but I am also good at melee and certainly better than Viviff as melee is currently the only smash game I play.


I meant at Brawl/Smash 4.

I have played Viviff a bunch and have never even heard of you, probably because you picked the name Hylian like a f***ing giant dork. Viviff would house you, I say that with all confidence.
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In fact since you're new here I bet at least 2/3 b8ers would be able to take you at Smash 4. Viviff and stingers FOR SURE, and maybe ff6 or pjb.
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-LusterSoldier- posted...
I'm completely unfamiliar with Steam, so I have no idea if Undertale is available on Steam for those in Quebec.


It's only available in English atm so there's likely very little demand in an area that mostly speaks French.
ExThaNemesis posted...
probably because you picked the name Hylian like a f***ing giant dork.


I'm afraid I can only agree here.
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-LusterSoldier- posted...
In all of Undertale's matches so far, it has failed to win Canada. The primary reason for this is Quebec, where Undertale performs much worse there than any other province. I guess Tumblr doesn't have a very large Canada demographic and a nearly non-existent Quebec demographic.


wow.. so proud to be a "quebécois" right now
its_me_okuu posted...
It's only available in English atm so there's likely very little demand in an area that mostly speaks French.


There are still plenty of people in Quebec that know English well enough to play a game that is only available in English.
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ExThaNemesis posted...
Hylian88 posted...
You would lose your house pretty easily. I've been going to tournaments since 2003, have made top 32 at multiple nationals, taken tournament sets off some of the best players in the world(tyrant/dojo/lain/etc), etc etc. This was for brawl, but I am also good at melee and certainly better than Viviff as melee is currently the only smash game I play.


I meant at Brawl/Smash 4.

I have played Viviff a bunch and have never even heard of you, probably because you picked the name Hylian like a f***ing giant dork. Viviff would house you, I say that with all confidence.


I'm a regular on Smashboards, and as I main Link in the games I come across posts by Hylian every so often. I think he was involved in the development of Project M (Lueshi rest its soul) and he has a bunch of matches on YouTube. He had a pretty mean Brawl Link in the day, and was one of the drivers of that low tier's meta game along with players like Izaw. I don't think Hylian is one to be trifled with when it comes to Smash.
hylian's good lol
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MaskedSheik posted...
Undertale does not have a French-language localization yet, nor does it have a francophone presence in the fandom afaik. I imagine this plays a large role in making it unknown to Quebec audiences.


It might explain it a little bit but at the same time a don't know a single one of my friend (I'm from Québec) who play their game in french. It's true for our parent, but our generation, while not all bilingual, are quite good in english. We listen to movie, TV series and especially video game in english
huh, good to know, thanks! j'ai étudié le français à la fac mais j'ai jamais voyagé au québec et j'en connais très peu
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RPGlord95 posted...
-LusterSoldier- posted...
In all of Undertale's matches so far, it has failed to win Canada. The primary reason for this is Quebec, where Undertale performs much worse there than any other province. I guess Tumblr doesn't have a very large Canada demographic and a nearly non-existent Quebec demographic.


Is the game available in French? There are strict laws in Quebec about language.

They impose French on the rest of the country but pretty much refuse English in their province


False, the only law (and a pretty dumb one) is that the game manual must be in French. But the game itself can (and mostly are) be in english with no translation available
Well forgive me for having faith in the B8 Smashers, who are all very talented. I was defending Viviff against someone I've never heard of.

Hylian if you stick around here for a few years I'll include you in the group of people I defend as well.
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(also Ermine could take him)
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"I'll admit that I made one or two sarcastic remarks in this topic, but in all serious I akin Undertale to fascism." -ArgaiRonso
There's a lot of English speaking people from Quebec, especially around Montreal. It also makes sense that there would be a bias for English speaker Quebecors since this is an English speaking site.
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BGE3: Today's Matches FFVII > CT, SM64 > Pokemon RBYG
Points 195/256
Mario did surprisingly well for itself. It kept up with Undertale all day, gained more votes than FF7 and almost made as many as Pokemon. Good job, Mr. plumber man.

The Undertale rally can't be this lazy for Melee, or we're surely gonna have a BAD TIME.
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I'm sure the Undertale ralliers will take the Melee match more seriously, since Melee has shown that it can rally votes in excess of at least 15000 votes or more.
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ExThaNemesis posted...
Well forgive me for having faith in the B8 Smashers, who are all very talented. I was defending Viviff against someone I've never heard of.

Hylian if you stick around here for a few years I'll include you in the group of people I defend as well.


Haha. I post on B8 pretty much every time there is a contest, though I lurk mostly so I doubt many remember me, but I've been around for awhile.

Viviff would certainly beat 99.99% of smashers on gamefaqs in brawl/smash4(there are some good melee players here), but gfaqs isn't a very good skill metric as most of the players are casual(which is perfectly fine :P) so obviously a tournament goer would have an advantage.

Edit: Also he would certainly beat me in smash4, as I only entered like one tournament for smash4 before quitting two weeks in. I'm very confident I would win in brawl however, not that it matters anymore as brawl is super dead lol.
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(edited 12/11/2015 8:55:11 PM)report
12/11/2015 8:56:04 PM#342
Why did you end up quitting Smash 4?
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6.67% for Melee
1.68% for Undertale
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I guess MGS3 would have a stronger board vote than SMRPG
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BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ: OoT > LoZ: LttP, MGS > RE4
Points 195/288
I expect SMRPG to start pullng away once we get close to the freeze.
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Undertale fans have started commenting on the contest videos I made with some friends on youtube (just to tell us how wrong we were about how the game would fare). I think more of them have watched than anyone from GameFAQs.
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...board vote wonder or not, this is not a bad start for MGS3.
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OoT beating ALttP means that my bracket will actually get some points today.

Yay. >_>
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Now crack that combination:
27 99 23.
Around 1/3 of the Undertale pickets had it losing last round

Dropped to 27th (despite getting the last 4 wrong)
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Also

LttP

not dying here
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