Nanis23 posted...
You know, there are many reasons why people enjoy Pokemon games
For some people, it's the journey itself - it's encountering new Pokemon, new towns, talking with NPCs, reading the story behind the region etc
For others, it's about collecting - from just catching them all, to getting shinies, Pokemon with Hidden Ability, Pokemon with different forms etc
Another thing is breeding, those people might or might not even play against others, they just like to breed BR (Battle Ready) Pokemon
And of course, people that play for the multiplayer - there is a competition every two months or so, in addition to just regular online battles
Another thing that people don't give enough credit to is Pokemon fanart, fanfics and so on - It's actually huge part of the appeal, /v/ used to have a daily Skyla/Elsa thread back in the day (I think it was before /vp/ was created)

If you don't care about collecting, breeding, fanart and you think that the battle mechanics of Pokemon is bad and the game has watered down journey compared to big RPGs then you won't enjoy Pokemon, of course


most people who play pokemon are gamers with forms of OCD. They are the same people who play fallout and need to pick up every single item as loot, and then complain about weight caps and being over encumbered
Metal_DK posted...
They are the same people who play fallout and need to pick up every single item as loot, and then complain about weight caps and being over encumbered

it's legitimately impressive my player house in fallout 3 didn't crash from all the stuff i had stored in there

>_>
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Advokaiser posted...
Regaro posted...
what I'm saying is that I've gotten more enjoyment out of explore Gen 1s glitches and figuring out how they tick than literally any other video game I've ever played. That alone is enough for me to value it over almost every other game in existence.


Then you MUST try out games like DRIV3R and International Superstar Soccer Deluxe. Those games have a glitchy world of their own and are a genuine blast to play once you figure out how to exploit them. Ocarina of Time is a pretty good contender too.


I'll keep it in mind, but my spare time to do this sort of thing isn't what it used to be. I have given OoT several hours in this regard, but it doesn't have as much charm from a technical perspective, even though speed runs are hilarious.
Metal_DK posted...
most people who play pokemon are gamers with forms of OCD. They are the same people who play fallout and need to pick up every single item as loot, and then complain about weight caps and being over encumbered


me as f***
Metal_DK posted...
most people who play pokemon are gamers with forms of OCD. They are the same people who play fallout and need to pick up every single item as loot, and then complain about weight caps and being over encumbered


Didn't want to say this as I know how fast people can get offended by anything, but yeah I agree with this
I have no idea if I have OCD or not, never checked it
But I have this crazy obbession with collecting things, which is why I like Pokemon so much

I f***ing captured every possible female Pokemon with Hidden Ability in the Dream World for christ sake
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Uhh link was pulling one of the most insane rallies ever and probably would have rallied to beat Draven if the site didn't go down. But ok you keep thinking that.
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While I don't have anything against Undertale (I will try it at some point), but its fan base really j***es, bleeds and breathes 'undertale goat material must play best game ever'
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Metal_DK posted...
Any notion that pokemon gen 1 has a specific fanbase and the rest of pokemon has another fanbase is a defense mechanism to why the game lost.


No, maybe you didn't check the tweets, but that's literally what was replied. Masuda should have been a much stronger rally source than anything else based on followers and it did almost nothing for Pokemon.
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Metal_DK posted...
people thinking Mario 64 has a shot are delusional


What? NOBODY ever said that
Nobody ever thinks that
Undertale vs Super Mario 64 is going to be the most useless match in this contest, we should just skip it honestly
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Metal_DK posted...
Any notion that pokemon gen 1 has a specific fanbase and the rest of pokemon has another fanbase is a defense mechanism to why the game lost.


No, maybe you didn't check the tweets, but that's literally what was replied. Masuda should have been a much stronger rally source than anything else based on followers and it did almost nothing for Pokemon.


Masuda is not a stronger rally source than f***ing tumblr or reddit. Sorry. Maybe Obama's twitter or Lebron's or Messi's or some s***
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xp1337 posted...
The way I read it was people were mostly having fun with it. Again, what are we supposed to do? It was spillover from Undertale. It doesn't matter what the next match was, it was going to be affected.

sorry next time i'll make sure to talk about how contests are ruined for me and i don't look forward to having any more contests and think the board would be better if we never left offseason instead of trying to make the best of what i think is a terrible situation.

i'm sure we'll all enjoy that more


Just be consistent and realize your biases? If you truly think rallies are the devil you shouldn't be so enthused about it. You should at least say "it's awesome mm is doing so well but kinda sucks that rallies are causing it at the same time". Or something.
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Tomorrow is pretty much the only day that isn't boring left in the contest!

SMRPG v RE4
MGS v MGS3

REDEMPTION for Divisions 7 and 8.

i'm so sorry i talked down about them they are the last lights left in the darkness
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The vast majority of brackets are going to be decided tomorrow. And maybe Friday but I think Tumblr will help ff7 counter melee rallies.
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
xp1337 posted...
The way I read it was people were mostly having fun with it. Again, what are we supposed to do? It was spillover from Undertale. It doesn't matter what the next match was, it was going to be affected.

sorry next time i'll make sure to talk about how contests are ruined for me and i don't look forward to having any more contests and think the board would be better if we never left offseason instead of trying to make the best of what i think is a terrible situation.

i'm sure we'll all enjoy that more


Just be consistent and realize your biases? If you truly think rallies are the devil you shouldn't be so enthused about it. You should at least say "it's awesome mm is doing so well but kinda sucks that rallies are causing it at the same time". Or something.

I thought it was mostly agreed upon that we didn't want to hear all the doom and gloom stuff. That's why I have held it back for the most part. I've intentionally been trying to act as upbeat as possible to avoid accusations of whining and just being a downer.

If you really want to me air my true feelings about rallies and the future of contests oh boy the rest of the contest is going to be exciting! I honestly could talk about it forever because I am that passionate and that depressed about it!

Although honestly? I feel like I've hit "acceptance" on the stages of grief of rallies. What's actually aggravating me these days is how I feel like any anti-rally sentiment is being treated when I feel it has been pretty damn tame this time. I could go on about both if you like!
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After the chrono trigger match no I did not get that impression. Everyone was pissed and depressed lol. Not saying you specifically btw.
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The more I look at the beating LTTP is doing now, the more I think something fishy was going on in the last Undertale match and it affected the start of this match as well

Yeah I read about the theory that tumblr are younger than us and it means they would prefer MM, but let's get serious, it's too drastic to make any sense
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Metal_DK posted...
Masuda is not a stronger rally source than f***ing tumblr or reddit. Sorry. Maybe Obama's twitter or Lebron's or Messi's or some s***


It's not like it's all of tumblr and reddit, reddit helped Pokemon more than Undertale yesterday. Twitter was a very strong source of Undertale too. Of course we saw the rally wasn't as effective as what Undertale had, but don't act like it couldn't have been if the Pokemon community cared as much as Undertale's did and weren't split.
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Nanis23 posted...
The more I look at the beating LTTP is doing now, the more I think something fishy was going on in the last Undertale match and it affected the start of this match as well

Yeah I read about the theory that tumblr are younger than us and it means they would prefer MM, but let's get serious, it's too drastic to make any sense


If so they were rallying in the SM64/Skyrim match too (for both of them!) cause the votals there are through the roof too.
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Nanis23 posted...
The more I look at the beating LTTP is doing now, the more I think something fishy was going on in the last Undertale match and it affected the start of this match as well

Yeah I read about the theory that tumblr are younger than us and it means they would prefer MM, but let's get serious, it's too drastic to make any sense


But this makes no sense even if you assume cheating.
Undertale was the other poll so even if the bot was forgotten and continued to run for a while it would have been helping Castlevania (now that would have been funny).
before people mention Melee..... it isn't being rallied, its just recovered its fanbase because its the most competitive game in the series

That is some next level spinning you got right there...
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charmander6000 posted...
before people mention Melee..... it isn't being rallied, its just recovered its fanbase because its the most competitive game in the series

That is some next level spinning you got right there...


The truth? Look at things like twitch. Hell go to college campuses nerd sections and people are playing melee with their tvs set up and what not. People who played that game in 2001 are older and it recovered its fanbase a bit. Hell i thought melee was a lock to win its division in this contest for that very reason.

Look at the retro gaming community/retro collecting community. Smash melee is expensive as f***.

http://videogames.pricecharting.com/game/gamecube/super-smash-bros-melee

the game was a $10 game in 2010. Its $50-$60 now....
Yeah, this topic, myself included, was pretty down about CT! But maybe I've twisted it in my mind but I feel like that's still nothing on the level of what was going on during Draven.

That was an entirely different level of doom and gloom.

I'm just exhausted and fed up with the constant calling into question of the honesty and integrity of people who say they oppose rallies. Because it's almost always directed to them as a group. If you think there's some hypocrisy going on surely you can point out who you're talking about and let them respond! Otherwise I just feel like I'm part of this plural "you" that is constantly brought up!
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Really wasn't expecting all of that "No gen 1 sucks" attitude. I'm fine with them saying they like Undertale better or something, but I think it's pretty ridiculous to be a Pokemon fan and actually think the originals are bad games (especially for the pretty trivial reasons listed in the graphic people keep posting).


It's all about the "genwunners." I think the originals would be regarded with some fond nostalgia by the fanbase if the people who felt like the series lost its way after the first weren't such a******s. Particularly when it's pretty obvious that the series really only went uphill, at least up until RSE (not that those are bad games but I can see legit reasons why someone wouldn't like the way the series went). You can like RBY over GSC for nostalgia reasons, but the only reason for claiming it fell of the face of the cliff at that point is "Pokemon was cool when I was a kid and RBY came out, and it wasn;t by the time GSC came out, so allow me to mock you for liking something for babies."

Plus, like, imagine if you were a younger super fan of the series, started with say Diamond and Platinum and decided to check out where the series came from, hyped about all the positive stuff people say about it... and then you get the (lovably) buggy mess of RBY, or even just the dated graphics and sound of GSC. I can't really blame that person for concluding that the grognards are bats*** insane.
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Metal_DK posted...
charmander6000 posted...
before people mention Melee..... it isn't being rallied, its just recovered its fanbase because its the most competitive game in the series

That is some next level spinning you got right there...


The truth? Look at things like twitch. Hell go to college campuses nerd sections and people are playing melee with their tvs set up and what not. People who played that game in 2001 are older and it recovered its fanbase a bit. Hell i thought melee was a lock to win its division in this contest for that very reason.

Look at the retro gaming community/retro collecting community. Smash melee is expensive as f***.

http://videogames.pricecharting.com/game/gamecube/super-smash-bros-melee

the game was a $10 game in 2010. Its $50-$60 now....


Dude, it is rallying when you get a large fanbase that doesn't usually participate in the contest.
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LTTP by the hour:

1:00 | 46.87%
2:00 | 50.49%
3:00 | 51.25%
4:00 | 51.34%
5:00 | 52.32%
6:00 | 52.60%
7:00 | 54.34%
8:00 | 55.25%
9:00 | 56.53%
10:00 | 56.22%
11:00 | 55.15%
12:00 | 53.87%

OOT/FFIX from 9-12: 6128
LTTP/MM from 9-12: 8417

Estimated Spillover rate: 27.19%

The spillover is back! With the daytime, the spillover is back, and what do you know, LTTP's percentage has been falling again.
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Can you do maybe 3 hour sections for OOT?

I would do it but I gotta get back to work.

Looks like OOT is up around 69% or so with day vote.
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The truth? Look at things like twitch. Hell go to college campuses nerd sections and people are playing melee with their tvs set up and what not. People who played that game in 2001 are older and it recovered its fanbase a bit. Hell i thought melee was a lock to win its division in this contest for that very reason.

Getting people from another site to vote for a game is rallying, many people voting for Undertale also like it too.
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Points 179/224
Nanis23 posted...
Black Turtle do you even enjoy games anymore


MGSV, Super Mario Maker, Axiom Verge and Rocket League are all games that came out this year that are somewhere in my top 100.
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I'm a bit more nervous. The lead is not as high as I would have liked. We only have another 1.5 hours until the ASV to increase it. Then, the spillover percentage may move into the mid-30s, with high votals, and MM may be able to cut.

The power of that Undertale rally yesterday is just so extreme. Come on, LTTP. Hold the line!
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The Undertale spillover is just going to get bigger with time. More and more UT fans are checking out what's going on here, some too late to see yesterday's match and instead voting in this one. The next match is only 2 days away, after all.
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SwiftyDC posted...
Are match pics for tomorrow up?


They are usually up around 3:00 PM PST / 6:00 PM EST
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12/9/2015 10:55:05 AM#135
Majora rallying is the worst. It cost us the best possible result we could have ever gotten.
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LeonhartFour posted...
Majora rallying is the worst. It cost us the best possible result we could have ever gotten.


I didn't realize you were such a Brawl fan!
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Man you guys putting stock in a full comeback are crazy. MM will probably cut, but I don't see any reason to believe it'll be enough.
LeonhartFour posted...
Majora rallying is the worst. It cost us the best possible result we could have ever gotten.


Whatever the stats say, I'm not convinced FFX would have beaten Brawl. Even a small Smash rally would have won it, and even for Brawl, they wouldn't need a reason beyond, "let's stop Final Fantasy from winning" to do it.
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12/9/2015 11:00:46 AM#139
Also yeah, it's kind of annoying that people apparently won't let you enjoy a contest result anymore if you're anti-rally.

And people were upset about CT losing because it killed the best story of the contest and because Melee fans were being incredibly self-important the entire time. "Melee deserves this" and all that.
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12/9/2015 11:01:47 AM#140
we just saw a Pokemon rally backfire because of "Gen 1 sucks"

we could definitely have seen a Brawl rally backfire because of "Brawl sucks"
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Plus, Majora likely boosted a bit between rounds. In the semifinals it had normal Zelda/FF trends, in the final it looked had light joke/bandwagon trends.
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12/9/2015 11:04:00 AM#142
It boosted from the anti-Brawl sentiment.
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Melee fans were pretty good about it, honestly. Melee is sort of in the same boat as CT, its been an on again off again contender for #3 game on the site for 10 years, with even longer odds of ever being champion (because its hard to imagine how it could ever beat OOT). Before the contest, this was supposed to be close. They were just celebrating their victory, with a lot of positive comments about CT.

I'm still despondent about the results, but can't blame the fans. If Final Fantasy fans acted that way, FFX would have won that GOTD contest, Majora rally or no.

CT fans have tried, hard, and are pretty good at making up 3-400 votes in the last hour. But there just isn't the community online to rally from to get too much more than that. Monday, CT probably brought in well over 1000 rallied votes. Even that much would have won it for FFX.
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Oh hey, I think Undertale's average gamefaqs rating suddenly dropped again. IIRC it was at like 4.51 before that match and is down to 4.45. I remember KP was tracking the numbers on that game and a few others and that it dropped immediately after beating Super Mario World too.

Can't wait to see how low it goes after it wins the final!
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12/9/2015 11:12:31 AM#145
Undertale won't even be able to qualify for the next Games Contest lawl
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LeonhartFour posted...
Undertale won't even be able to qualify for the next Games Contest lawl


Oh, really?
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12/9/2015 11:18:40 AM#147
It's a joke based on how Allen used user ratings to determine seeding in the bracket (which is how LoL got shafted). There's nothing for you to pretend to get offended by here. Go away.
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I'm not pretending to be offended OR actually offended by that, though.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
pirate109 posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
I like Gold and Silver the best. It's the sweet spot for the series, before we had 700+ Pokemon to catch and had to treat it like a job instead of a video game.

I had also never seen the term 'genwun' before yesterday and it floors me that Pokemon fans hate the first games so much.


"Genwunners" refers to the people who played RBY back during the initial craze, ditched the series as soon as it went out of fashion and dismiss all the pokemon other than the original 151 as badly designed trash. Pokemon fans in general don't hate RBY, we're just tired of those people.

Having played every gen I also think GSC is the best.


Or people that played the awesome and original RBY, then left the series when they realized that G/S were a complete rehash and brought nothing new to the table.


nonononono, even from BT, this can't be serious....

If by rehash you mean improved in every way? Did you even play the original R/B/G?
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