ZFS posted...
I still stand that Ocarina of Time carries weight at almost every corner of the Internet. There is no consensus 'best game ever,' but Ocarina of Time is about the closest thing there is. But Zelda will have some pretty significant rallies going for it, too. Link that faced Draven would have crushed any other Link in any other year, so I wouldn't expect the OOT in the final to be a 'normal' champion tier competitor. I mean Undertale, honestly and realistically probably still wins because Tumblr's ability to catch fire at any point is scary and gross, but I would definitely give it way more of a shot than anything left. It being a final match means something these others don't, I think.


Link the Draven slayer was the underdog. He was behind in the poll the whole time. Zelda fans were rallying hard.

When grand finals comes up OoT will be winning by a comfortable margin and lull them into a false sense of security. It'll do its thing, put up a 10k barrier and then lower its defenses. Then Undertale goes Super Saiyan 5 on its ass and chops that barrier in a few hours. By then there'll be a couple hours left at the height of Undertale's strenght, most likely too late for OOT to do anything.

I can see the future!
This win has solidifed my faith in Undertale. This was the match that got me to believe that it truly is one of the best games of all time!
12/8/2015 6:49:45 PM#403
POOTERSS posted...
This win has solidifed my faith in Undertale. This was the match that got me to believe that it truly is one of the best games of all time!


It already was, long before this match happened.
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Karma Hunter posted...
What is Undertale's natural GameFAQs strength on OoT by the finals

Hmm 60-40 sure that sounds okay to me

Doubling to 70% I would guess.

Anyone want to do the may for how many net votes that would give OoT?
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Yeah, Undertale wins by looking like it's dead, then suddenly springs to life, giving the opponent no time to respond. The opponent has no more special trends to help it or rally outlets by the time Undertale strikes.
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ZFS posted...
But really, to take a step back -- it is disappointing that these things are now determined by one-sided rallies. For the GameFAQs admins, this is naturally no issue, but if you're a contest fan it does feel pretty bad! Not upsetting, just kinda like oh that's how these come to an end sort of thing.


Actually this makes me pretty excited for future contests.

I think I'm gonna take a flier on a rallyable game/character in the next context and see if I get lucky. The constant infusion of newcomers is the best way to keep these things unpredictable. We already have a good read on what gamefaqs thinks. Predicting which fanbase is going to be loyal enough to touch off a rallystorm is much more interesting.
12/8/2015 6:51:49 PM#407
Scarlettail posted...
Yeah, Undertale wins by looking like it's dead, then suddenly springs to life, giving the opponent no time to respond. The opponent has no more special trends to help it or rally outlets by the time Undertale strikes.


The game really does fight like a spider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ircGxNwJ2Zk
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I've just never been more overwhelmingly disappointed with a fanbase in my life.
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ZFS posted...
I still stand that Ocarina of Time carries weight at almost every corner of the Internet. There is no consensus 'best game ever,' but Ocarina of Time is about the closest thing there is. But Zelda will have some pretty significant rallies going for it, too. Link that faced Draven would have crushed any other Link in any other year, so I wouldn't expect the OOT in the final to be a 'normal' champion tier competitor. I mean Undertale, honestly and realistically probably still wins because Tumblr's ability to catch fire at any point is scary and gross, but I would definitely give it way more of a shot than anything left. It being a final match means something these others don't, I think.


-LusterSoldier- posted...
The site banner should help out OoT because it would be bringing in a lot of extra voters (generally people visiting the site for the first time) who know nothing about Undertale's path to the finals. Those voters should be expected to vote for OoT over Undertale at a higher split than the normal GameFAQs voters who have followed the contest pretty closely.


We need to keep this in mind over the next week. The last few hours have convinced me that Melee/FF7 have no hope agaisnt Undertale. But a hyped OoT/Undertale final, win or lose, will be insanely epic.
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Pokemon couldn't stop Draven, can't stop Undertale.
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XIII_rocks posted...
I've just never been more overwhelmingly disappointed with a fanbase in my life.


Yeah, but to be fair, the ES fanbase is to busy debating the godhead and landfall and amaranth to really focus on this.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Scarlettail posted...
Yeah, Undertale wins by looking like it's dead, then suddenly springs to life, giving the opponent no time to respond. The opponent has no more special trends to help it or rally outlets by the time Undertale strikes.


The game really does fight like a spider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ircGxNwJ2Zk


I thought you were gonna post Spider Dance. I'm a bit disappointed.
Lynx_7 posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Scarlettail posted...
Yeah, Undertale wins by looking like it's dead, then suddenly springs to life, giving the opponent no time to respond. The opponent has no more special trends to help it or rally outlets by the time Undertale strikes.


The game really does fight like a spider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ircGxNwJ2Zk


I thought you were gonna post Spider Dance. I'm a bit disappointed.


That's what I assumed it was and didn't bother opening the link.
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Karma Hunter posted...
I can roll with a pre-2000s Console Only contest


Ugh. Do you guys want something completely predictable? Give me a mid-decade contest (everything since 2010) or current gen console contest before that.
12/8/2015 6:58:10 PM#416
Lynx_7 posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Scarlettail posted...
Yeah, Undertale wins by looking like it's dead, then suddenly springs to life, giving the opponent no time to respond. The opponent has no more special trends to help it or rally outlets by the time Undertale strikes.


The game really does fight like a spider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ircGxNwJ2Zk


I thought you were gonna post Spider Dance. I'm a bit disappointed.


I've been posting it a lot and needed to mix things up!

Plus Anderson "The Spider" Silva was a god damn beast.
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Pretty tame Undertale updates lately. If Pokemon were to push now hey could really cut down the lead before having their dreams crushed again.
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The Owner of FF9 posted...
Help us, Ocarina of Time. You're our only hope.


Nothing better than OoT winning the contest, again.
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Guys hear me out on this.

With facebook advertising you can get something like 25000 CLICKS with $200.

It's an option if we're serious about stopping Undertale >_>
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Undertale is a worst case scenario for counterrallies due to how backloaded tumblr is. No one is going to want to continue their rallying all day if it appears to be a supposed 55-45 win until the tumblr afternoon vote kicks in and shellshocks the fanbase with Draven level votes.

Had Undertale repeated its early hours performance against SMW on RBY, Pokemon fans would be trying harder to rally.
Vyers posted...
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Help us, Ocarina of Time. You're our only hope.


Nothing better than OoT winning the contest, again.


Well I mean best game ever and all
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Vyers posted...
Nothing better than OoT winning the contest, again.


This is an accurate statement.
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creativename posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
What is Undertale's natural GameFAQs strength on OoT by the finals

Hmm 60-40 sure that sounds okay to me

Doubling to 70% I would guess.

Anyone want to do the may for how many net votes that would give OoT?


OoT probably has closer to 75-80% natural strength on Undertale. But we'll say 75%.

We've been getting increased GameFAQs votals every round, so we'll guess that it goes up to 55k. But with the site banner that round the numbers will be way higher, lets guess 80k. A 75-25 split means that Ocarina would be 40k votes ahead in the GameFAQs population (60k over 20k).

Whereas Tumblr has proven it can rally 45k votes, and maybe 55k today depending on how the numbers shake out. And if Pokemon really only had a 20% backfire rate, I can't assume OoT would get any higher. Meaning if they go HAM and rally 70k votes for the finals, they gain 32k votes (56k over 14k). Meaning OoT wins by 8k votes.

But there are a lot of unknowns. Will Zelda fans keep up the rallies long enough to hold off Undertale's comeback? Exactly how many votes will the site banner bring? Do those numbers underestimate Undertale? Or overestimate them, since a lot of the Pokemon rallies backfired due to Gen 1 hate? (Which won't happen to OoT to that degree).

I don't know. I can only promise that despite how dominant Undertale has been with its comebacks, OoT is going to be a crazy final boss fight.
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Watch OoT underperform, then lose to LttP as it's antivoted by those not wanting OoT to win again, therefore making Undertale the champ.
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12/8/2015 7:02:47 PM#425
Anyone that's ever rallied for User of the Year knows that backfire rate theory is nonsense!
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hylianknight3 posted...
Vyers posted...
Nothing better than OoT winning the contest, again.


This is an accurate statement.


I'm guessing you're working for that 5 gods twitter for Melee, right? Then Leffen posts something dismissive towards it which will still get some attention.

It's the only way that battle can be any fun.

Wait, you're the right hylian right? So many of you damn hylians here
(edited 12/8/2015 7:04:01 PM)report
UltimaterializerX posted...
Anyone that's ever rallied for User of the Year knows that backfire rate theory is nonsense!


You're being facetious right? Literally a third of rallied voters from Reddit (or something like that) voted for Link.
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Not_Wylvane posted...
Reminder: Board 8 once tried to rally the KKK to help Wario beat Shadow.


Wut? Can I get more information on this?
Man, I wish Ulti would stop being a broken record about rallies when we've literally had several people dispute his argument and he ignores it every time.

I miss the days when you could actually hold a real conversation with him.
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Lynx_7 posted...
Wait, you're the right hylian right? So many of you damn hylians here


You're looking for Hylian88. :)
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Going for 120k votes... I'm amazed this is keeping up there with Draven vs Link.
tgs2 posted...
Undertale is a worst case scenario for counterrallies due to how backloaded tumblr is. No one is going to want to continue their rallying all day if it appears to be a supposed 55-45 win until the tumblr afternoon vote kicks in and shellshocks the fanbase with Draven level votes.

This is true. It also doesn't help opponents that Undertale seems like a nobody to rally against for pretty much anybody besides us following the contest. Undertale gets to really play up the underdog-card by going against some of the biggest series around and making comebacks happen every time. It'll be tough to convince LoZ:OoT-fans that they're the underdog against an indie game released this past September.

Then again, HM's right too: LoZ:OoT-fans don't need to underdog complex to show up in force for the championship, and it won't be hard to find them anywhere either.


I don't see Undertale losing at this point, but it's gonna be an exciting day for whatever happens.
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HaRRicH posted...
I don't see Undertale losing at this point, but it's gonna be an exciting day for whatever happens.


My thoughts exactly.

Then hopefully we get a CT vs. FF7 bonus match. Is there any way to get this to Allen's attention? Besides making annoying topics about it? Or do we expect to see a poll for it like last contest?
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Lynx_7 posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Scarlettail posted...
Yeah, Undertale wins by looking like it's dead, then suddenly springs to life, giving the opponent no time to respond. The opponent has no more special trends to help it or rally outlets by the time Undertale strikes.


The game really does fight like a spider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ircGxNwJ2Zk


I thought you were gonna post Spider Dance. I'm a bit disappointed.


I've been posting it a lot and needed to mix things up!

Plus Anderson "The Spider" Silva was a god damn beast.

An Anderson Silva highlight in the stats topic? Unexpected but awesome to see!

I was once pretty mixed on him. I thought he was very fake, and his behavior against Demian Maia was awful.

But when he was on, he was the most entertaining MMA fighter ever. I was there at UFC 101, rooting for Forrest - my guy lost but it was legendary!! I had to applaud him after that.

I miss his glory days. I was so sad when he broke his leg, so gruesome :(
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We were getting about 23% for the backfire on the afternoon surge. For the whole match it might be as high as 25%.
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tgs2 posted...
Undertale is a worst case scenario for counterrallies due to how backloaded tumblr is. No one is going to want to continue their rallying all day if it appears to be a supposed 55-45 win until the tumblr afternoon vote kicks in and shellshocks the fanbase with Draven level votes.

Had Undertale repeated its early hours performance against SMW on RBY, Pokemon fans would be trying harder to rally.


Basically we're relying on the semi-final match on Sunday where there is no ASV-trend, so either it gains early in the match to make people really try to rally for its opponent. Which honestly would only work if it's up against Melee as I don't see FFVII get rallied at all. Or because it's a weekend people just forget because they're doing other things, which I really don't see happening.

The other sliver of hope is that the Melee rally against FFVII will also get people to vote for SM64, since it's freakin' Mario it's less likely that the Melee/FFVII poll will be the only one getting votes on.
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hylianknight3 posted...
Lynx_7 posted...
Wait, you're the right hylian right? So many of you damn hylians here


You're looking for Hylian88. :)

We're also looking for Viviff, but likely they share the same network.
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12/8/2015 7:17:54 PM#438
Julian_Caesar posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Anyone that's ever rallied for User of the Year knows that backfire rate theory is nonsense!


You're being facetious right? Literally a third of rallied voters from Reddit (or something like that) voted for Link.


I mean I don't really get the logic of "hey buddy, can you vote for X for me?" and that buddy turning around and voting for the other option.

I know a rally is a much different scale and I'm probably wrong here, but I can't imagine going to a home base and having people outright vote for the other option. Most people would just not vote.
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Julian_Caesar posted...
HaRRicH posted...
I don't see Undertale losing at this point, but it's gonna be an exciting day for whatever happens.


My thoughts exactly.

Then hopefully we get a CT vs. FF7 bonus match. Is there any way to get this to Allen's attention? Besides making annoying topics about it? Or do we expect to see a poll for it like last contest?


One of the worst parts about undertale. No SMW/SMB3/RBY. No meaningful FFVII-remake-hyped matches. No possibilities for real back and forth bouts. Just boring matches where we calculate futility.
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12/8/2015 7:25:20 PM#441
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Fedor > Anderson


I mean weight classes exist for a reason, Fedor would crush him in a fair fight.
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
Guys hear me out on this.

With facebook advertising you can get something like 25000 CLICKS with $200.

It's an option if we're serious about stopping Undertale >_>


Why didn't you mention this earlier
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12/8/2015 7:31:05 PM#443
Pokemon needs to cut 170 votes per update to win.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Julian_Caesar posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Anyone that's ever rallied for User of the Year knows that backfire rate theory is nonsense!


You're being facetious right? Literally a third of rallied voters from Reddit (or something like that) voted for Link.


I mean I don't really get the logic of "hey buddy, can you vote for X for me?" and that buddy turning around and voting for the other option.

I know a rally is a much different scale and I'm probably wrong here, but I can't imagine going to a home base and having people outright vote for the other option. Most people would just not vote.


You're applying logic to human interaction. Plus people have outright stated they voted for the other option, in response to rally topics/tweets.
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XIII_rocks posted...
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
Guys hear me out on this.

With facebook advertising you can get something like 25000 CLICKS with $200.

It's an option if we're serious about stopping Undertale >_>


Why didn't you mention this earlier


When I'm a millionaire I'm going to sway these contests with facebook votes and no one will know it's me
XIII_rocks posted...
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
Guys hear me out on this.

With facebook advertising you can get something like 25000 CLICKS with $200.

It's an option if we're serious about stopping Undertale >_>


Why didn't you mention this earlier


Because I care more about OOT than Pokemon and a Pokemon bandwagon is just as nauseating as Undertale
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XIII_rocks posted...
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
Guys hear me out on this.

With facebook advertising you can get something like 25000 CLICKS with $200.

It's an option if we're serious about stopping Undertale >_>


Why didn't you mention this earlier


200 guru 1$ each. Let's do this
Why am I all of a sudden thinking about that anti-video game lawyer from years ago named Jack Thompson right now?
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Pokemon needs to cut 170 votes per update to win.


Pffft, Red's got this. Unleash the official Pokémon twitter!

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