1337gamerpr0 posted...
bah, why do only Undertale and Melee fans same to care to any degree


Don't know about Melee, but with Undertale it's because it's new and hot and has something to prove. Pokemon's been around long enough and been popular enough that an internet popularity contest isn't as big a deal to them, probably.
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...
AndrewB34 posted...
T4libKw4li posted...
I can't believe Melee, RBY, or Undertale will win this entire contest. So good.


Melee vs Undertale will be insane.


Insanely bad for Undertale sure.

Undertale hasn't faced a game that has an active community yet. If th smash fans wanted to, they could Decimate Undertale in the first 5 hours and it would never catch up.


Pokemon has a very active community, between Serebii, Bulbapedia, Smogon and Nugget Bridge.
ZeldaTPLink posted...
T4libKw4li posted...
I can't believe Melee, RBY, or Undertale will win this entire contest. So good.


Unless Melee/Pokemon gets to the finals and the SFF from Ocarina is too much to overcome.

Unless it's LttP instead of Ocarina, because of the SNES boost.

That's FIVE different games with a realistic chance of winning, in the final 16. Six, if you want count at the start of the round and include Chrono Trigger. When was the last time a contest was this unpredictable? 2002?


Lttp is arguably as strong as OoT indirectly.

In a direct matchup OoT is the clear favourite. Just look at FFVII v FFVI. 6 beat it in normal polls but got beat. Lttp can't even beat OoT in normal polls.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Pokemon has a very active community, between Serebii, Bulbapedia, Smogon and Nugget Bridge.


and it's doing f*** all with this "active community", so citing it as a strength when it hasn't been used is something all right
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I want to see Melee vs Undertale. I want to see those vote totals go through the roof.
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
AndrewB34 posted...
T4libKw4li posted...
I can't believe Melee, RBY, or Undertale will win this entire contest. So good.


Melee vs Undertale will be insane.


Insanely bad for Undertale sure.

Undertale hasn't faced a game that has an active community yet. If th smash fans wanted to, they could Decimate Undertale in the first 5 hours and it would never catch up.


Pokemon has a very active community, between Serebii, Bulbapedia, Smogon and Nugget Bridge.


Yet we have not been able to rally from any of these
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
AndrewB34 posted...
T4libKw4li posted...
I can't believe Melee, RBY, or Undertale will win this entire contest. So good.


Melee vs Undertale will be insane.


Insanely bad for Undertale sure.

Undertale hasn't faced a game that has an active community yet. If th smash fans wanted to, they could Decimate Undertale in the first 5 hours and it would never catch up.


Pokemon has a very active community, between Serebii, Bulbapedia, Smogon and Nugget Bridge.


Pokemon does. Pokemon Red Blue and Green don't.

Also None of those sites care to rally for a 18 yr old game.

The biggest difference is it only takes a reddit rally and 1 pro smash twitter guy to rally and Undertale is dead.

Melee has a far more dedicated active community. Pokemon communities are for pokemon games in general.
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Lopen posted...
Bold prediction Undertale's "best time" will persist "as needed" and will never expire

It's slowed down in the other matches. Tumblr isn't immune to daytime traffic levels. Night has fewer people on the net.
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1337gamerpr0 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Pokemon has a very active community, between Serebii, Bulbapedia, Smogon and Nugget Bridge.


and it's doing f*** all with this "active community", so citing it as a strength when it hasn't been used is something all right


I know, I just want to counter the argument that Melee is stronger than Pokemon because of its active community. For all we know, Melee's "active community" may suffer the same fate as Pokemon.
if smash community cares about this anywhere near as much as when they rallied melee for Evo, it could win the contest by a landslide.
cyko posted...
Lopen posted...
Bold prediction Undertale's "best time" will persist "as needed" and will never expire


I concur. Shenanigans.


In all honestly, though I don't think it can be cheating.
Because this would assume that somehow, exterior communities can find weaknesses while gamefaqs can't (since I'm pretty sure some gamefaqs guys are trying to stuff for RBY right now).
Unless you assume there is a single great stuffer that is on gamefaqs and stuffed for Draven/Undertale and is manipulating reddit/tumblr, but that's a bit ridiculous to assume.
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creativename posted...
Zabie_W posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
POOTERSS posted...
This is the last chance before Undertale runs over the contest... we gotta end it now!


Let's not act like Melee and Undertale rallying hundreds of thousands of votes each wouldn't be hilarious!


I honestly have hard time believing Melee will fare better than pokemon.

Melee barely won against CT and it was thanks to rallies against a game that had almost no rally potential. Melee pretty much lost arround the globe while Undertale gets half the map.

Sure, most of the votes come from USA, but the "stray votes" will favour Undertale, something that it did not against pokemon because pokemon natural fanbase is much bigger than Melee.

If Undertale wins against pokémon, it will win the contest.

I highly doubt Undertale can beat OoT to win the contest.

With Melee, first don't take FF7 for granted.

Melee vs. Undertale - Melee should have a lower backfire rate than Pokemon. But it should be able to rally harder. Net effect? Who knows.

There's lots of uncertainty here. People always massive underrate how random these matches are.

If traceexcalibur doesnt blog about this none of this even happens.


Melee might have a lower backfire rate, but Melee's natural strenght is also much lower than Pokemon, that's why I believe Melee has no chance.
ZeldaTPLink posted...
1337gamerpr0 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Pokemon has a very active community, between Serebii, Bulbapedia, Smogon and Nugget Bridge.


and it's doing f*** all with this "active community", so citing it as a strength when it hasn't been used is something all right


I know, I just want to counter the argument that Melee is stronger than Pokemon because of its active community. For all we know, Melee's "active community" may suffer the same fate as Pokemon.


Are you saying if The pokemon community rallied for Pokemon then it would n't be ahead in this match by 50k Votes? Because it would.
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My best guess is that if OoT is going to lose, Undertale has the best chance.

Melee is competing with another Nintendo game, so is Pokemon, FF7 has kind of a hatebase counter.

At the very least, Undertale would be a great heel-turning game for OoT to beat.
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Zabie_W posted...
creativename posted...
Zabie_W posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
POOTERSS posted...
This is the last chance before Undertale runs over the contest... we gotta end it now!


Let's not act like Melee and Undertale rallying hundreds of thousands of votes each wouldn't be hilarious!


I honestly have hard time believing Melee will fare better than pokemon.

Melee barely won against CT and it was thanks to rallies against a game that had almost no rally potential. Melee pretty much lost arround the globe while Undertale gets half the map.

Sure, most of the votes come from USA, but the "stray votes" will favour Undertale, something that it did not against pokemon because pokemon natural fanbase is much bigger than Melee.

If Undertale wins against pokémon, it will win the contest.

I highly doubt Undertale can beat OoT to win the contest.

With Melee, first don't take FF7 for granted.

Melee vs. Undertale - Melee should have a lower backfire rate than Pokemon. But it should be able to rally harder. Net effect? Who knows.

There's lots of uncertainty here. People always massive underrate how random these matches are.

If traceexcalibur doesnt blog about this none of this even happens.


Melee might have a lower backfire rate, but Melee's natural strenght is also much lower than Pokemon, that's why I believe Melee has no chance.


f*** natural strength man. Natural strength isn't going to beat Undertale.

A huge Counter rally would

What game left has the potential to outrally Undertale? It's clearly Melee. out of every game left that ist the only game with a community who care about it enough to rally.
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Look I tweeted like 50 twitter pages just now with different message each time because of Twitter spam detection
I doubt anyone is going to retweet this
But I did my part, anyone else is willing to do something or GG this contest forever?

We can stop this, Pokemon has the rally power, we just need to pull it to use
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
T4libKw4li posted...
I can't believe Melee, RBY, or Undertale will win this entire contest. So good.


Unless Melee/Pokemon gets to the finals and the SFF from Ocarina is too much to overcome.

Unless it's LttP instead of Ocarina, because of the SNES boost.

That's FIVE different games with a realistic chance of winning, in the final 16. Six, if you want count at the start of the round and include Chrono Trigger. When was the last time a contest was this unpredictable? 2002?


Lttp is arguably as strong as OoT indirectly.

In a direct matchup OoT is the clear favourite. Just look at FFVII v FFVI. 6 beat it in normal polls but got beat. Lttp can't even beat OoT in normal polls.


I don't think you can call OoT the favorite anymore. I'm not even sure OoT has as much "natural strength" as CT this contest, unless you believe FFIX > FFX. I'm still not there yet.
I agree nothing can rally "as needed," we've just had a few results where the rallied entrant wins by barely enough, so it seems that way. But it's not truth.

As for Undertale, it didn't stop against ME3 or FO3 until the end of the poll. Slowed down a little against SMW. It can probably keep this up, but not because it can rally whatever it needs in all situations.
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__Aizen__ posted...
if smash community cares about this anywhere near as much as when they rallied melee for Evo, it could win the contest by a landslide.


I wouldn't be upset if Undertale beat Melee, but I would root for Melee there.
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T4libKw4li posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
T4libKw4li posted...
I can't believe Melee, RBY, or Undertale will win this entire contest. So good.


Unless Melee/Pokemon gets to the finals and the SFF from Ocarina is too much to overcome.

Unless it's LttP instead of Ocarina, because of the SNES boost.

That's FIVE different games with a realistic chance of winning, in the final 16. Six, if you want count at the start of the round and include Chrono Trigger. When was the last time a contest was this unpredictable? 2002?


Lttp is arguably as strong as OoT indirectly.

In a direct matchup OoT is the clear favourite. Just look at FFVII v FFVI. 6 beat it in normal polls but got beat. Lttp can't even beat OoT in normal polls.


I don't think you can call OoT the favorite anymore. I'm not even sure OoT has as much "natural strength" as CT this contest, unless you believe FFIX > FFX. I'm still not there yet.


FFIX is much closer to FFX now. I think it might be stronger.
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Nanis23 posted...
Look I tweeted like 50 twitter pages just now with different message each time because of Twitter spam detection
I doubt anyone is going to retweet this
But I did my part, anyone else is willing to do something or GG this contest forever?

We can stop this, Pokemon has the rally power, we just need to pull it to use


gj Nanis23. Yeah I tweeted a few pokemon Twitter pages also.
red sox 777 posted...
I agree nothing can rally "as needed," we've just had a few results where the rallied entrant wins by barely enough, so it seems that way. But it's not truth.

As for Undertale, it didn't stop against ME3 or FO3 until the end of the poll. Slowed down a little against SMW. It can probably keep this up, but not because it can rally whatever it needs in all situations.


IT slowed down a lot against ME3. IT picked up really late on. Fallout it wasn't that high either.

This match is undertales unless theres any sort of Pokemon counter rally. then it's over. Because The last thing undertale needs is stalling in it's best hours.
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Zabie_W posted...
creativename posted...
Zabie_W posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
POOTERSS posted...
This is the last chance before Undertale runs over the contest... we gotta end it now!


Let's not act like Melee and Undertale rallying hundreds of thousands of votes each wouldn't be hilarious!


I honestly have hard time believing Melee will fare better than pokemon.

Melee barely won against CT and it was thanks to rallies against a game that had almost no rally potential. Melee pretty much lost arround the globe while Undertale gets half the map.

Sure, most of the votes come from USA, but the "stray votes" will favour Undertale, something that it did not against pokemon because pokemon natural fanbase is much bigger than Melee.

If Undertale wins against pokémon, it will win the contest.

I highly doubt Undertale can beat OoT to win the contest.

With Melee, first don't take FF7 for granted.

Melee vs. Undertale - Melee should have a lower backfire rate than Pokemon. But it should be able to rally harder. Net effect? Who knows.

There's lots of uncertainty here. People always massive underrate how random these matches are.

If traceexcalibur doesnt blog about this none of this even happens.


Melee might have a lower backfire rate, but Melee's natural strenght is also much lower than Pokemon, that's why I believe Melee has no chance.


f*** natural strength man. Natural strength isn't going to beat Undertale.

A huge Counter rally would

What game left has the potential to outrally Undertale? It's clearly Melee. out of every game left that ist the only game with a community who care about it enough to rally.


My point is, because Melee has a weaker natural strenght than Pokemon, you would need a Draven-size rally (Not really but you get the idea) in favour of Melee, and I'd be surprised if Melee could pull that when it barely managed to defeat CT
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where are these votes coming from?

It's not Lady Heiress right?
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Next step is messaging some popular Pokemon facebook pages
But it's not going to work
And i'm tired
Help guys
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i think that's the best bet

i already messaged..and i'm sure more ppl have too

maybe if a ton more ppl do it they'll post something.
This latest rally push is hurting Mario 64 slightly, but not to any major extent.
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z0mgthiefbeef posted...
where are these votes coming from?

It's not Lady Heiress right?


It's Undertale bot on twitter, combined with page shares on Tumblr. Lady Heiress hasn't done a thing.
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At the start of this round, only 3 games had a real shot of winning: OOT, Undertale, and CT, with CT being fairly marginal even if it is naturally stronger than OOT, because of bracket placement and rallying in any direct match.

Melee may be able to beat UT, I ran the numbers yesterday and they seemed pretty favorable for Melee. But Melee has no chance whatsoever against OOT. CT was winning with 61-62% on Gamefaqs, with SFF OOT will be at a doubling or higher, and there will be a lot more votes in the final. OOT's backfire rate will also be way way higher than CT's.

It could very well be that Melee and Pokemon take out opponents OOT wouldn't beat directly, and OOT will pulverize those Ninty games. That would be the worst possible way to end this contest.
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ronjamin1022 posted...
z0mgthiefbeef posted...
where are these votes coming from?

It's not Lady Heiress right?


It's Undertale bot on twitter, combined with page shares on Tumblr. Lady Heiress hasn't done a thing.


Looks like we need to ban Undertale Bot
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WHY hasn't anyone created a Twitter Account, JUST like undertale did, and do the SAME thing?

Edit: Someone who has some knowledge of how to work Twitter.
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Pokemon called for help...

But nobody came.
red sox 777 posted...
At the start of this round, only 3 games had a real shot of winning: OOT, Undertale, and CT, with CT being fairly marginal even if it is naturally stronger than OOT, because of bracket placement and rallying in any direct match.

Melee may be able to beat UT, I ran the numbers yesterday and they seemed pretty favorable for Melee. But Melee has no chance whatsoever against OOT. CT was winning with 61-62% on Gamefaqs, with SFF OOT will be at a doubling or higher, and there will be a lot more votes in the final. OOT's backfire rate will also be way way higher than CT's.

It could very well be that Melee and Pokemon take out opponents OOT wouldn't beat directly, and OOT will pulverize those Ninty games. That would be the worst possible way to end this contest.


The best possible way you mean?

Though I think at this point....Melee winning the entire thing if it outrallies Undertale would be the best outcome.

I mean Who knows maybe RE4 takes out OoT. /joke
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ArgaiRonso posted...
WHY hasn't anyone created a Twitter Account, JUST like undertale did, and do the SAME thing?

Edit: Someone who has some knowledge of how to work Twitter.

It's tumblr. The twitter account has done nothing.
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creativename posted...
Lopen posted...
Bold prediction Undertale's "best time" will persist "as needed" and will never expire

It's slowed down in the other matches. Tumblr isn't immune to daytime traffic levels. Night has fewer people on the net.


The problem is that other rallies (including Undertale's early match rallies) have to some extent netted votes for both entrants.

The ones in the afternoon on the other hand kinda go like 95% of the extra votes to Undertale or so, which is simply not realistic particularly because Undertale has multiple times per match where it surges and they end up behaving in completely different ways.

Like I don't have a problem with a bigger surge of votes coming in at this time. I have a problem with the ratio of vote split drastically changing.
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We seem to be getting cuts back over 100 and just pulled in a 141 vote cut, as UT's intake rises back to 300.
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OK, I give up
This is too much and it's not stopping and all my efforts ends up in vain
You fought well Pokemon, but GameFAQs is such a s*** site that lost more than half of it's userbase in the last 4 years, oh well
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Pokemon RBY simply dont have an established enough fanbase to counter this.
Nanis23 posted...
OK, I give up
This is too much and it's not stopping and all my efforts ends up in vain
You fought well Pokemon, but GameFAQs is such a s*** site that lost more than half of it's userbase in the last 4 years, oh well


I could sympathize more if not for tantrums like this lol

Seriously, don't do that, it's of no benefit to anyone, yourself included. s***, it actually is helping Undertale because it emboldens those who are in it for the salt.
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Melee is the only one man.

melee is our last chance.
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With FFIX vs. FFX, there's some wiggle room because of possible pic factor in OoT vs FFIX, and possible SFF in CT vs. FFX. Both could be very slight, but enough to allow FFX>=FFIX and OoT>=CT both to be true.

Zabie_W posted...
Melee might have a lower backfire rate, but Melee's natural strenght is also much lower than Pokemon, that's why I believe Melee has no chance.

Melee and RBY are pretty close in strength actually.

And with GameFAQs strength, any game one tier up or down from them won't do too differently in terms of net votes.

This comes down to the sizes of each rally, and *both* rallies backfire rates.

Melee is also not at all a given to get there.
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I have a feeling some of the Pokemon rallies also backfired some. Maybe enough to matter.
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At the start of this round, only 3 games had a real shot of winning: OOT, Undertale, and CT, with CT being fairly marginal even if it is naturally stronger than OOT, because of bracket placement and rallying in any direct match.

Melee may be able to beat UT, I ran the numbers yesterday and they seemed pretty favorable for Melee. But Melee has no chance whatsoever against OOT. CT was winning with 61-62% on Gamefaqs, with SFF OOT will be at a doubling or higher, and there will be a lot more votes in the final. OOT's backfire rate will also be way way higher than CT's.

It could very well be that Melee and Pokemon take out opponents OOT wouldn't beat directly, and OOT will pulverize those Ninty games. That would be the worst possible way to end this contest.


The new remake trailer definitely gives FF7 more of a chance at OoT. Not saying it's going to win, but it's definitely posible.
Worst possible way. OOT vs. CT would be best possible final. Failing that, OOT vs. Undertale will at least be exciting. OOT beating down Melee 60/40 after rallying won't be exciting.
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That was a .03% update for Undertale just now... smaller than what it's been doing in the past few minutes.

Pokemon trying to come back, or rallies dying off?
SG_strife posted...
At the start of this round, only 3 games had a real shot of winning: OOT, Undertale, and CT, with CT being fairly marginal even if it is naturally stronger than OOT, because of bracket placement and rallying in any direct match.

Melee may be able to beat UT, I ran the numbers yesterday and they seemed pretty favorable for Melee. But Melee has no chance whatsoever against OOT. CT was winning with 61-62% on Gamefaqs, with SFF OOT will be at a doubling or higher, and there will be a lot more votes in the final. OOT's backfire rate will also be way way higher than CT's.

It could very well be that Melee and Pokemon take out opponents OOT wouldn't beat directly, and OOT will pulverize those Ninty games. That would be the worst possible way to end this contest.


The new remake trailer definitely gives FF7 more of a chance at OoT. Not saying it's going to win, but it's definitely posible.


You mean the one people hate?
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creativename posted...
With FFIX vs. FFX, there's some wiggle room because of possible pic factor in OoT vs FFIX, and possible SFF in CT vs. FFX. Both could be very slight, but enough to allow FFX>=FFIX and OoT>=CT both to be true.

Zabie_W posted...
Melee might have a lower backfire rate, but Melee's natural strenght is also much lower than Pokemon, that's why I believe Melee has no chance.

Melee and RBY are pretty close in strength actually.

And with GameFAQs strength, any game one tier up or down from them won't do too differently in terms of net votes.

This comes down to the sizes of each rally, and *both* rallies backfire rates.

Melee is also not at all a given to get there.


I don't think so. Most people who are voting for RBY are voting only because it represents the franchise as a whole and not because of its merit as a game. Melee is considered the best of the series by a majority of the community.

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