GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1238
Karma Hunter posted... DaruniaTheGoron posted...CT wasn't blowing past 60%. Definitely wasn't gonna hit 65%. Let's not pretend CT didn't have bandwagon board support too and typically drops a couple % in a match. Melees was still better yes so CT was due to rise. But it already rose 4% and was already slowing down 20 minutes in at 60%. I was watching the reddit rally the whole opening half hour and it didn't have any steam until about 25 minutes in, and if the rally stayed small it would have let melee hold ground overnight. Sure, the same type of denial from you guys about the possibility that Melee will rally in a match that matters. Nah we were all crazy though right? --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
The Mana Sword posted... wait I figured it out here you go ZFS Turns out there is no SSBM rally and FFX is just that weak enjoy your doubling next round Melee, SSBM = SSB4 lives I know it's right because someone on Smashboards said SSB4 was better --- Goddamn Chrono Trigger |
The Mana Sword posted... wait I figured it out here you go ZFS I ran the numbers, did the math, this checks out for me --- satoru iwata |
Sure,
the same type of denial from you guys about the possibility that Melee
will rally in a match that matters. Nah we were all crazy though right? Rallies aren't a sure thing, contest trends pretty much are, we've been doing this for over a decade now... --- BGE3: Today's Matches FFX > SSBM, FFVII > FFVI Points 163/192 |
DaruniaTheGoron posted... Karma Hunter posted...DaruniaTheGoron posted...CT wasn't blowing past 60%. Definitely wasn't gonna hit 65%. Let's not pretend CT didn't have bandwagon board support too and typically drops a couple % in a match. Melees was still better yes so CT was due to rise. But it already rose 4% and was already slowing down 20 minutes in at 60%. I was watching the reddit rally the whole opening half hour and it didn't have any steam until about 25 minutes in, and if the rally stayed small it would have let melee hold ground overnight. You either haven't been paying attention to me or are just lying at this point. --- Goddamn Chrono Trigger |
UItimaterializer posted... One: FFX has never been able to beat ssbm 1v1. One: FFX has only had one chance and that was 11 years ago. Two: This whole discussion has never been "FFX can beat Melee." It has been "FFX and Melee have always been on the same level and still are." Which is true. RE4 and MGS3 have always been on the same level, too, but RE4 has always come out a little ahead. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
I have to ask.....where was the Melee fanbase against Brawl? --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
ShatteredElysium posted... Wait people are actually denying CT would break 60% when it was already doing that in Melees best timeframe? Are we just ignoring all previously established trends? If there's no rally then CT is going up in % not down. Maybe not 65% but 62-63% is easily believable. Like I said, I'm including a small rally in my estimation. Like ulti said, it is impossible to prove, and I already acknowledged CT would break 60% with no rally. SSBM had a substantial enough rally to outright win the match but apparently I'm in denial that it's more typical rally power could have helped it break 40%. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
also we saw people rally for Melee in an absolutely meaningless match against G/S/C, so acting like we didn't think Melee fans would possibly ever rally is silly The argument was whether they actually would rally again and whether CT would be strong enough to tank it, and the answer is "Close, but not quite." --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
It's
kind of interesting to me how the gap between Chrono Trigger and Final
Fantasy VI is probably 60-40 or worse now when it was less than 53-47 in
2004. Anyone have thoughts on this? I'm guessing it's because FFVI just doesn't have the elegance in design of CT and so hasn't appealed as much to people who didn't play it back in the day. FFVI's setting and plot also stand out a lot less given the 20 years of RPGs we've seen since (FFVI DOES have that twist halfway through, which is pretty crazy, but the ways the plot and characters are impacted by it afterward are a sticking point for some) --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
Yeah this rally turns me off even more than Undertale, just like the Pokemon ones were worse than Draven. It's one thing to have an inherently volatile entrant take off, but this was a game in many contests that's never done this before. It's just more annoying somehow. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
DaruniaTheGoron posted... SSBM had a substantial enough rally to outright win the match but apparently I'm in denial that it's more typical rally power could have helped it break 40%. If "typical rally power" means "What Melee does every match it doesn't get a significant rally," then yes, saying Melee would have broken 40% goes completely against both games' trends. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
red sox 777 posted... I have to ask.....where was the Melee fanbase against Brawl? Brawl had just come out and they were still hyped. I was waaaaaaay ahead of that train and was eventually vindicated. --- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. |
Games
rally more when it is losing. Comparing prior round trends doesn't make
sense here. And this isn't your grandfather's Melee. The scene is
f***ing massive now. That's why this is happening today and wouldn't 5
years ago. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
LeonhartFour posted... UItimaterializer posted...One: FFX has never been able to beat ssbm 1v1. FFX and Melee are not on the same level anymore dude FFX has dropped like a f***ing stone in this contest. I mean even FFIX is ahead of it i think. Possibly even FFVIII. --- FFVII Remake >>>> Original. Deal With it. |
Eventually
vindicated when Smash 4 came out and Brawl fans moved on to the next
game while Melee fans continued to cling to Melee, yeah, I guess. also Melee has never been able to beat Brawl 1-on-1 --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
red sox 777 posted... I have to ask.....where was the Melee fanbase against Brawl? Do you realise how f***ing close that match was? IT was hardcore smash fans and the wii nuthuggers. What a horrible horrible day for GameFAQs that was. what brawl did that day undertale couldn't do in an entire contest. --- FFVII Remake >>>> Original. Deal With it. |
AxemRedRanger posted... It's kind of interesting to me how the gap between Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI is probably 60-40 or worse now when it was less than 53-47 in 2004. CT has reached a wider audience now and probably doesn't suffer from as much of over saturation as Final Fantasy. I'm sure there being so many Final Fantasy games turns off some of the newer audience from FF re-releases. |
pjbasis posted... Yeah this rally turns me off even more than Undertale, just like the Pokemon ones were worse than Draven. Feel the same. It's not as unstoppable and ridiculous as Draven or Undertale, but it's more annoying. Nothing gets me like SC, though. --- satoru iwata |
I'm disappointed FFX didn't boost at all after the HD remakes. That game is great. Weird question, but is FFX old square or new square? --- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. |
I think Melee beats Brawl 1v1 now but that's for a lot of changes we've had since GOTD. Fortunately we'll never get that match again so SSBM can choke on always having no revenge --- Goddamn Chrono Trigger |
oh great Yuri Jr. is here now too looks like I won't be able to say anything about a game I like for a while without one of them telling me I'm dumb so I'll take my leave for a while --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Theres a rally? LOL The rally better carry on next round. Can't have it beat Chrono and lose to f***ing FFVII. It needs to be consistent. --- FFVII Remake >>>> Original. Deal With it. |
LeonhartFour posted... also we saw people rally for Melee in an absolutely meaningless match against G/S/C, so acting like we didn't think Melee fans would possibly ever rally is silly Hey the only match where we noticed a significant rally look where melee ended up compared to its power hour. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
LeonhartFour posted... oh great Yuri Jr. is here now too I never said you were dumb. But look at the facts. 2009 FFX was in the final and was getting 48% on Link to the past. fast forward 6 years and it's getting doubled by Chrono Trigger. --- FFVII Remake >>>> Original. Deal With it. |
LeonhartFour posted... Eventually vindicated when Smash 4 came out and Brawl fans moved on to the next game while Melee fans continued to cling to Melee, yeah, I guess. Today's match vindicates me pretty hard. Melee has staying power. Brawl couldn't even make the bracket. Melee would thoroughly annihilate that game in a rematch and you can read any smash forum to see why. Brawl won because of play rate and nothing else. The smash fans at large have literally never preferred it. --- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. |
DaruniaTheGoron posted... LeonhartFour posted...also we saw people rally for Melee in an absolutely meaningless match against G/S/C, so acting like we didn't think Melee fans would possibly ever rally is silly It hurts my head just imagining the thought processes going into making an argument this dense --- Goddamn Chrono Trigger |
And Melee was well on its way to only doing a few percent better at best. That result was CT being legitimately one of the handful of strongest games on this site, not FFX dropping like a rock, but I guess SSBM fans have an easy escape out of that one now. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
UItimaterializer posted... LeonhartFour posted...Eventually vindicated when Smash 4 came out and Brawl fans moved on to the next game while Melee fans continued to cling to Melee, yeah, I guess. This is true. Brawl is unforgettable trash The brawl fanbase died when the Wii died. Fact. --- FFVII Remake >>>> Original. Deal With it. |
6 years ago chrono trigger was losing to mario 64 look out undertale --- http://i.imgur.com/RHvCiY3.png |
Januzaj_Dragon posted... LeonhartFour posted...oh great Yuri Jr. is here now too That match is a bad example. Distant SFFd third place against distant SFFd fourth place. There were barely any votes left to be had. FFX would never break 48% on lttp 1v1. --- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. |
So
I didn't think I would feel this way before the match but this is way
too depressing. I think I'm only going to root for Undertale and Zelda
for the rest of the contest, barring some miracle CT comeback. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
LeonhartFour posted... And Melee was well on its way to only doing a few percent better at best. When you say FFX and Melee are the same what are you talking about? like it would be 51-49? because it would most likely be a 45-55 now. which isn't close --- FFVII Remake >>>> Original. Deal With it. |
Januzaj_Dragon posted... UItimaterializer posted...LeonhartFour posted...Eventually vindicated when Smash 4 came out and Brawl fans moved on to the next game while Melee fans continued to cling to Melee, yeah, I guess. I think you meant forgettable trash but yeah. Brawl is tied to the wii. It's plain as day. The disappointing thing about that is smash 4 having the exact same problem. It's damn good and deserves more popularity here. --- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. |
red sox 777 posted... So I didn't think I would feel this way before the match but this is way too depressing. I think I'm only going to root for Undertale and Zelda for the rest of the contest, barring some miracle CT comeback. You're acting like Melee would stand a chance against OoT. Even if it took out undertale with super rallies...OoT's backfire rate will be ridiculously high on Smash fans. OoT is one of the most universally respected Nintendo games. It's very very difficult to vote against it. Unless you don't care(so only undertale can take it out or a Super sayain 4 Chrono) --- FFVII Remake >>>> Original. Deal With it. |
Januzaj_Dragon posted... When you say FFX and Melee are the same what are you talking about? like it would be 51-49? because it would most likely be a 45-55 now. which isn't close In the best case scenario if CT "only" gets low 60s or high 50s, then Melee would get 55/45, sure. Melee could probably manage 52-53% on FFX, but that's not a significant strength advantage. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif (edited 12/7/2015 12:30:27 PM)report |
UItimaterializer posted... Januzaj_Dragon posted...UItimaterializer posted...LeonhartFour posted...Eventually vindicated when Smash 4 came out and Brawl fans moved on to the next game while Melee fans continued to cling to Melee, yeah, I guess. Well i meant forgettable but it was unforgettable on how bad it was. Smash 4 will be re-released on NX with a different name hopefully. What on earth were they thinking puting the "U" name on it. ugh. --- FFVII Remake >>>> Original. Deal With it. |
As
much as CERTAIN PEOPLE kept banging the drum about how Melee would SFF
Brawl in Game of the Decade due to the fanbase preferring it, I think
they got the dynamics of that match very badly wrong. People who cared about "serious Smash" were a tiny portion of the voters back then and it wasn't hard to see that the majority of other people definitely preferred Brawl. That said, a lot of those same people who preferred Brawl also still really liked Melee and would have voted Melee against the vast majority of other opponents. Really doubt the Brawl haters were doing the same! If we've ever seen a case of RSFF causing a win, I'd guess on Brawl > Melee being it. You could even spin Brawl's poor performances afterwards as proof - it's matches before the Brawl/Melee showdown were SFF beatdowns of Mario Kart DS and Pokemon Platinum and a normal beatdown of untested fodder Valkyria Chronicles so it's not like we had a good read on its early round strength to confidently say Brawl dropped later on. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
The only bad thing about brawl was the tripping Stop hating --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
red sox 777 posted... I have to ask.....where was the Melee fanbase against Brawl? Why do people assume melee's strength is the same as it was back then? The competitive melee scene was practically dead when brawl came out. Starting in 2013, melee's scene EXPLODED, and it's only gotten bigger every year. This is because of a documentary being released on melee's early competitive scene mixed with the game being included in Evo 2013 and then coming back every year since(breaking viewership records along the way). The tournament scene for melee currently is pulling in more numbers and tournaments than street fighter, which is absolutely crazy (this is not counting money, which streetfighter has more of because of developer support). Brawl beat melee because there wasn't much of a melee scene at the time. Melee is bigger in 2015 than it has ever been before, so it being stronger makes sense. --- www.twitch.tv/Hylian88 www.twitter.com/Hylian88 |
Acerac posted... LeonhartFour posted...I've never played Fallout 3, so I have no opinion about that game one way or the other. Yeah :/ pretty much --- Every day the rest of your life is changed forever. |
Nanis23 posted... The only bad thing about brawl was the tripping There's plenty bad about Brawl but I enjoyed it back in the day. Not exactly game worthy of being so strong though lol. Always been the part of GFAQs' taste I thought was worst. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
Guys Melee/Brawl was in 2010, not 2008. The Melee competitive scene was reborn by then. Honestly Melee hasn't looked any better today than it did in 2010, pre-rally. --- BGE3: Today's Matches FFX > SSBM, FFVII > FFVI Points 163/192 |
UItimaterializer posted... I'm disappointed FFX didn't boost at all after the HD remakes. That game is great. New Square should be everything after FFX. At this point FFX is one of the classics. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
LinkMarioSamus posted... Nanis23 posted...The only bad thing about brawl was the tripping Like what? maybe in the pro scene but besides tripping nothing annoyed me as a casual --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
LeonhartFour posted... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6148-best-game-ever-day-25-round-3-smash-bros-melee-vs-kingdom kingdom hearts 2.9 boost obv --- http://i.imgur.com/RHvCiY3.png |
LeonhartFour posted... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4184-southeast-division-final-zelda-twilight-princess-vs-kingdom KH is stronger. Way stronger. TP is probably about the same strength I do agree Melee isn't that much stronger than 2010. The low votals aren't kind to Smash/ --- FFVII Remake >>>> Original. Deal With it. (edited 12/7/2015 12:50:03 PM)report |
charmander6000 posted... Guys Melee/Brawl was in 2010, not 2008. The Melee competitive scene was reborn by then. The scene was still small in 2010 though. It wasn't until 2013 that it started getting huge. --- www.twitch.tv/Hylian88 www.twitter.com/Hylian88 |
Also,
brawl was generally disliked by melee players, but it still had a
healthy competitive scene. I was a top brawl player even though I'm also
a melee player, people like that do exist. --- www.twitch.tv/Hylian88 www.twitter.com/Hylian88 |
