It's not legit. MGS1 can lay waste to MGS3, beat SMRPG/RE4 by more than this, and post an impressive number on OoT and I still won't believe in SotC.

Them's the breaks when you roll over in a grudge match perfectly designed for you to overperform!
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Is it weird to think SotC > MGS3 if it had been a Day match or 24 hours?
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Karma Hunter posted...
It's not legit. MGS1 can lay waste to MGS3, beat SMRPG/RE4 by more than this, and post an impressive number on OoT and I still won't believe in SotC.

Them's the breaks when you roll over in a grudge match perfectly designed for you to overperform!


It's pretty much equal in strength to MGS2 (MGS2 would have won a 24-hour poll but it wouldn't be a slaughter or anything) and we just saw MGS2 legitimize itself against RE4. SotC is pretty legit!
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So, I get the idea of a non-ninty/square division, but we really didn't need 3 MGS games and SOTC clustered here. MGS1 could have had a lot of interesting matchups, instead it gets RE4/SMRPG and then runs into the Zelda steamroller.
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BK_Sheikah00 posted...
Is it weird to think SotC > MGS3 if it had been a Day match or 24 hours?


MGS3 would've surely lost that match in a day match at least.
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red sox 777 posted...
So, I get the idea of a non-ninty/square division, but we really didn't need 3 MGS games and SOTC clustered here. MGS1 could have had a lot of interesting matchups, instead it gets RE4/SMRPG and then runs into the Zelda steamroller.


MGS1's path seems fine to me. MGS games looked vulnerable at first so there was some talk about a SotC upset. There are still some people who think MGS3 can win next round. MGS/MGS3 vs RE4/SMRPG should be a good match as well.
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Karma Hunter posted...
Them's the breaks when you roll over in a grudge match perfectly designed for you to overperform!


How has it 'rolled over'? People were predicting a 55-45 match in favor of MGS at the least, and based on the projections, SotC is indeed overperforming.
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As if most voters even remember Metal Gear Vs SotC happened anyway

Hell most of them apparently don't even remember who wins the contest
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this isn't encouraging for mgs1 but like, what beats it? re4 couldn't break 55 on mgs2 so it's a close one at worst. mgs3 is a weird one either way regardless of performances. that leaves Mario RPG and man, that's a tough one to call
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With FF7 remake video, will it win over CT? Who is your favorite?
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CT and FFVII could go either way but we still don't know if FFVII has really boosted.
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transcience posted...
this isn't encouraging for mgs1 but like, what beats it? re4 couldn't break 55 on mgs2 so it's a close one at worst. mgs3 is a weird one either way regardless of performances. that leaves Mario RPG and man, that's a tough one to call


MGS1 wouldn't break 55% on MGS2 indirectly either. It's not even doing it against SotC.
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foxhead84 posted...
With FF7 remake video, will it win over CT? Who is your favorite?

I don't think FF7 has boosted yet.

FF6 and Melee are probably not far apart in strength, so whoever scores higher is the favorite I think.

Most expect CT to score higher on Melee than FF7 on FF6, so at this point in time CT is the clear favorite.

He'll if the match was tomorrow, I suspect CT would be a slight favorite over OoT!
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Like, for the record, this result projects RE4 to outright beat MGS1.

At this point it's looking like SMRPG is going to the Semifinals.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
FF7 doesn't need a boost to beat CT. I still haven't seen anything to convince me of any result besides OoT > FF7 > CT/RBY
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I'm honestly kind of amazed MGS3 is still above 60% here

This is a simultaneous runner-up Star/Turd of the Round performance behind CT/FFX.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
MGS3 has a chance. KH2 > KH1 proves this.


Yeah, the better game sometimes winning does prove it's possible.
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Looking at the map, it's amazing how few countries Mass Effect is winning despite this only being 60/40. I only see Cuba, Iraq, Bhutan, Senegal, and Slovakia. It's only winning 5 states in America, too.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
FF7 doesn't need a boost to beat CT. I still haven't seen anything to convince me of any result besides OoT > FF7 > CT/RBY

Hard to favor FF7 over CT. Even with a drop FFX should be ahead of Smash Wii U. Though there may have been SFF there.

But CT just being strong enough to SFF a game like FFX would still be pretty wild.

LeonhartFour posted...
I'm honestly kind of amazed MGS3 is still above 60% here

This is a simultaneous runner-up Star/Turd of the Round performance behind CT/FFX.

Ocarina was the turd of the round TBQH!

Both OoT and ME2 might have pic excuses though.
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Star of the Round comes down to Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid, and I'm leaning toward Metroid. Chrono Trigger did extremely well, but that marauding was foreshadowed by how well it did in the first two rounds. And even though Metroid flattened Call of Duty and did well against Mario Galaxy (in a match many didn't expect it to win, somehow), there was no indication at all that it would put the fear of God into our Game of the Decade champion, and even hold a sustained lead.

Turd of the Round goes to Mass Effect 2 without a shadow of a doubt. So many of us thought it was going for the upset, or at least make it a match; now, it can't even break 40%. That consequently makes Starcraft look bad, and makes Destiny look like a game that shouldn't have even made the bracket.
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Super Metroid didn't win, so I can't give it star of the round.
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Only guru upsets were Chrono and Undertale.

And I doubt people want to give it to Undertale...
I think after ME>Galaxy 2 and we had over inflated expectations for ME2. Turns out Wii games are just really weak outside of Brawl/Zelda.

ME2 was the guru pick over Starcraft and it needed rallies to get the job done.
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Both CT and Super Metroid were foreshadowed though they probably should get Star of the Round regardless.

Our contests have a history of throwing us for big surprises in the late rounds, so here are two to consider:

Skyrim > Mario 64: We know that Tumblr does not like Mario much, and they look to make up a little over half the votes. Mario 64 probably gets 60% or so on Gamefaqs, maybe a little more. Skyrim just needs to win the Tumblr vote by around 60/40 to win. Yes, it is a long shot, but Animal Crossing did better than that against SMW, so I think there is a chance here.

LTTP > OOT: Which is stronger, FFIV or FFIX in this year of SNES? 2004 was CT's best year until this year in these things, and it barely beat LTTP that year. LTTP was projected to break 45% on Ocarina that year- inflated thanks to CT/FFVII no doubt, but this is a significantly stronger year for SNES than 2004. Maybe Link knows that OOT is a magnet for anti-votes now as the unstoppable favorite, and will preemptively squelch the anti-Zelda bandwagon from forming by replacing OOT with LTTP, a game that will get a lot less anti-votes.
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red sox 777 posted...
Which is stronger, FFIV or FFIX in this year of SNES?


FFIX

SNES doesn't win everything.
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Star of the Round I think we can say at some point can be given to a game even if it loses. Like if FFIX had nonsensically gone 50/50 with OoT or something and barely lost you can't tell me that wouldn't qualify <.<
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Karma Hunter posted...
Star of the Round I think we can say at some point can be given to a game even if it loses. Like if FFIX had nonsensically gone 50/50 with OoT or something and barely lost you can't tell me that wouldn't qualify <.<


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Star of the Round I think we can say at some point can be given to a game even if it loses. Like if FFIX had nonsensically gone 50/50 with OoT or something and barely lost you can't tell me that wouldn't qualify <.<


Yeah, I see nothing wrong with awarding Star to a game that lost. That's why I think MGS has a poor bracket placement- it has plenty of opportunity to lose to games it's favored over, but essentially no shot to win a match in which it's an underdog.
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Red, Tumblr has nothing against Mario, they just love Animal Crossing. And they don't care for Skyrim based on spillover.

MechanicalWall posted...
And even though Metroid flattened Call of Duty and did well against Mario Galaxy (in a match many didn't expect it to win, somehow), there was no indication at all that it would put the fear of God into our Game of the Decade champion, and even hold a sustained lead

If CT was foreshadowed and so isn't star, SM should've blasted MM based on CoD foreshadowing!

CT almost has to be star if the round.

ZeldaTPLink posted...
Only guru upsets were Chrono and Undertale.

And I doubt people want to give it to Undertale...

Undertale was the Oracle favorite. Star is about in-contest expectations.
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MechanicalWall posted...
Star of the Round comes down to Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid, and I'm leaning toward Metroid. Chrono Trigger did extremely well, but that marauding was foreshadowed by how well it did in the first two rounds. And even though Metroid flattened Call of Duty and did well against Mario Galaxy (in a match many didn't expect it to win, somehow), there was no indication at all that it would put the fear of God into our Game of the Decade champion, and even hold a sustained lead.

Turd of the Round goes to Mass Effect 2 without a shadow of a doubt. So many of us thought it was going for the upset, or at least make it a match; now, it can't even break 40%. That consequently makes Starcraft look bad, and makes Destiny look like a game that shouldn't have even made the bracket.


I don't know if I agree that Chrono Trigger's murder of FFX was outright foreshadowed. It was the favorite, sure, but we didn't have good enough reads on R&C and DQ to suggest that Chrono would nearly double poor FFX.

I do think that it only narrowly edges out Super Metroid as Star of the Round though.
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creativename posted...
If CT was foreshadowed and so isn't star, SM should've blasted MM based on CoD foreshadowing!


Most of us chalked it up to Call of Duty losing any support that it had after almost a decade of annual sequels, though. And that's still almost definitely the case, but it's true that Metroid's performance there should've clued more of us in.

I do think both games are fine candidates for the title, though. Maybe it was just me, but I was shocked that FFX was the guru favorite. CT just seemed like such an obvious pick to me even before the contest started. Metroid, on the other hand, really did surprise me.
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star is CT, turd is ME2. runner-up goes to SM or SOTN and Ocarina for turd.
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While things are slow, I would like to point out that I have always been one of the biggest supporters of "PICS MATTER!" since 2003 and I continue to support that point today. There is something really weird about this MGS3 vs ME2 result and I firmly believe the bad pic has been at least one factor.

Some of those who argue against the Pic Factor seem to think that every voter has a strong opinion about every single game and character that has ever made these contests when that simply isn't the case. There are voters who don't have a strong opinion about many of the games and there are others who have a group of games they love equally, another group they like equally, and maybe another group they are equally indifferent towards.

Take for example, FFIX vs. OOT. Those are two games that I personally love about equally (and this is from a person who has an obsessive need to rank and organize EVERYTHING) and I would typically have a hard time choosing between them. But when I saw the match pic of the two games, FFIX's pic filled me with extra feelings of nostalgic awesomeness while OOT's pic made me feel very "meh". So, on that day, I voted for FFIX. If the pic would have been Adult Link riding his horse with his bow drawn against a pic of Amarant and Freya standing around being forgettable, I would have voted for OOT that day. I am certain that there are plenty of people out there who would reason in a similar way, which can lead to over- or under- performances and sway close matches.

That pic can definitely sway voters one way or another and it only adds to the impact of the pic when you can't even make out the title of the game in the pic.
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Red, Tumblr has nothing against Mario, they just love Animal Crossing. And they don't care for Skyrim based on spillover.


I don't think we can conclude they don't care for Skyrim based on trends in the spillover match. At 4 AM we were about 4000 votes above the FFVII match from 2 days earlier, and we ended about 11000 over. So the spillover continued throughout the day, and the trends are probably more from the natural trend imbalance than anything else. Also, the early vote increase is not just from spillover- it is also from people on the SMW side of that match, following it, who can be expected to favor Nintendo.

Granted, barely beating MP with 11,000 votes of spillover doesn't bode well for Skyrim's chances against Mario 64, but we don't know the relative strength of Mario 64/Metroid Prime on Tumblr, and we are looking at maybe 60,000 Tumblr votes for RBY/Undertale, if they up their game a little more, as seems reasonable to expect.

I'd give Skyrim around a 10% chance or a little less to pull off the upset.
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CT is the SOTR IMO. Super Metroid holding up much better than expected and even challenging Majora's Mask was an amazing performance, but straight up doubling FFX was insane. Worth remembering that FFX went 49.9/50.1 with MM in the last contest.

My honorable mention for Star/Turd discussion is Symphony of the Night quietly dumpstering DKC2 62/38. Consider that DKC2 got less on SotN than Mega Man X got on FFX and Earthbound got on MGS - it's result is probably the only genuinely bad one a SNES game will turn in all contest. If it hadn't had the honour of picking off Xenoblade and Fire Emblem in rounds 1 and 2 it would have been mocked.
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My feeling right now is that Tumblr will favor neither Mario nor Skyrim too excessively.

Pokemon counter-rallies would be more likely to push SM64 up, so I can't see it losing even if Tumblr does give it a boost.
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MechanicalWall posted...
Turd of the Round goes to Mass Effect 2 without a shadow of a doubt. So many of us thought it was going for the upset, or at least make it a match; now, it can't even break 40%. That consequently makes Starcraft look bad, and makes Destiny look like a game that shouldn't have even made the bracket.


Destiny looks like it could be the second weakest game in the bracket after Hearthstone. OoT could probably get over 90% on Destiny, I think.


red sox 777 posted...
Skyrim > Mario 64: We know that Tumblr does not like Mario much, and they look to make up a little over half the votes. Mario 64 probably gets 60% or so on Gamefaqs, maybe a little more. Skyrim just needs to win the Tumblr vote by around 60/40 to win. Yes, it is a long shot, but Animal Crossing did better than that against SMW, so I think there is a chance here.


I was thinking more like 57% for Mario 64 on Skyrim. That would be a similar percentage to what Mario 64 got on Twilight Princess and although Skyrim is probably slightly weaker than Twilight Princess, that would be counter-balanced with the possibility of a very small amount of Mario 64 SFF.
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ROUND 4 – DAY 1 – ALL OF DIVISION 1 & 2

Match CXIII: (1) Chrono Trigger vs. (3) Super Smash Bros. Melee

Previous Rounds

Chrono Trigger
85.85% against Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
81.93% against Dragon Quest VIII
65.52% against Final Fantasy X

Super Smash Bros. Melee
67.71% against Portal
60.03% against Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
55.30% against Kingdom Hearts II

Analysis

Out of all of the games in the bracket Chrono Trigger has received the most praise and skepticism. The game has looked like a contest winner yet at the same time everything could be explained by SFF. The main issue is that Old vs. New Square SFF has rarely been seen. Of course based on what we’ve seen so far Chrono Trigger looks like it could 60/40 the entire bracket outside of Undertale so it is easy to see why people are so skeptical.

Even if Chrono Trigger has been overrated it is hard to see it lose to Melee. At best the game is at its 2010 strength and unless you are expecting massive SFF between Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy X then it is hard to see the game compete. Some people are a bit down on Melee’s performance last round, but that may be due to Kingdom Hearts II being a bit underrated. Maybe Twilight Princess got some noticeable SFF on Kingdom Hearts II back in 2010 for whatever reason.

If Chrono Trigger is legit then it should have no problem breaking 60% and pushing for the mid-60s. I do think Final Fantasy X is a bit weaker this year, but not by enough for Melee to win easily.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Final Fantasy X > Super Smash Bros. Melee

charmander6000’s Prediction: Chrono Trigger wins, 63.75% - 36.25%



Match CXIV: (1) Final Fantasy VI vs. (2) Final Fantasy VII

Previous Rounds

Final Fantasy VI
77.03% against Assassin’s Creed II
66.94% against Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
53.75% against The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

Final Fantasy VII
84.07% against Journey
78.21% against Halo: Combat Evolved
65.29% against Super Smash Bros. for Wii U

Analysis

Remember that favourite Final Fantasy poll? I thought it was pure garbage and that Final Fantasy VII would easily win should they meet, but three rounds later and I think that poll had some meaning to it. I am not sure why people were disappointed with Final Fantasy VI’s performance on Wind Waker, maybe it was knee jerk reaction after watching Chrono Trigger, but its performance was well done.

On the other side Final Fantasy VII’s performance on Smash Bros., while good didn’t exactly make it look like it was the second strongest game in the bracket. Despite this it does still look better than Final Fantasy VI, though the match is expected to be a lot closer than what I though pre-contest.

While SFF is a possibility I doubt we will see any as this is an old and new clash in an attempt to show which game is the best within the fanbase.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Final Fantasy VII > Final Fantasy VI

charmander6000’s Prediction: Final Fantasy VII wins, 54.33% - 45.67%
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charmander6000 posted...
charmander6000’s Prediction: Final Fantasy VII wins, 54.33% - 45.67%


Oddly enough, that percentage was also the exact same percentage that FFVII scored on FFVI in the large 14-way Final Fantasy poll. I thought that poll was actually more disappointing for FFVII since it was in a format that favors FFVII by diluting its anti-votes.
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everyone hates ff7 remake now ff6 is gonna win
But now everyone's thinking about how good FFVII was before episodic gaming, and they're gonna vote for it.

Any new info, good or bad, is win-win for FFVII.
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MechanicalWall posted...
Any new info, good or bad, is win-win for FFVII.


In the sense that it helps put FFVII in the spotlight right now, I guess that's a good thing for FFVII then.
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Here's something, CT > SSBM
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FFX > SSBM

CT will prove it
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