GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1231
Karma Hunter posted... Let me remind everybody that the legendary Suikogears Stats (2015 - 2015 R.I.P.) already have OoT significantly weaker than its 2009 incarnation. That's significant, because it never made sense for Suikoden II to be on Xenogears' level to begin with. Even in 2004, Xenogears did muuuuuuuuuuuch better on Final Fantasy VII than Suikoden II did - and the further Xenogears gets from Suikoden II, the closer near-elite contenders like Wind Waker and Final Fantasy VI get to OoT. OOT could have 90% right now and I would still argue a pic effect. MechanicalWall posted... DaruniaTheGoron posted...You seriously overestimate how much the average gamer gives a s*** about official artwork and whether they bother to discern the difference in style. It's a 17 year old game., I'm not saying 100% of voters are unable to identify the game. I'm saying maybe 5% which definitely isn't outside the realm of possibility --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." (edited 12/3/2015 11:02:05 AM)report |
Nanis23 posted... This whole match depends on one thing and one thing only - just how much of tumblr are drones that vote for whatever people tell them to vote This is far more likely than you think guys. The average person will just click Undertale, maybe click Skyrim or Super Mario 64, click vote and then leave the site. I really don't think they're going to pay much attention that it's facing Pokemon. --- http://www.backloggery.com/whitelens | http://myanimelist.net/profile/WhiteLens http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/5086952/ |
'A
pic effect' is different from the kind of massive underperformance that
this would justify. Comparing it to Solid s*** is, frankly, insulting
to that thing's poopy ingloriousness. OoT isn't going to suddenly triple
FFIX today if mobile viewers (who are an extremely small percentage of
voters) can fully see the ocarina Link's holding. --- Goddamn Ocarina of Time |
Pretty
much, everyone can recognize it's a Zelda game and most people would
know it's either Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask. Would OoT do better with
a better picture? Maybe, but is it really going to more than double
FFIX with it? --- BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:OoT > FFIX, BK > DKC2 Points 135/160 |
ZFS posted... If I have to watch Pokemon beat Ocarina of Time I think I will have met my contest life quota why continue what is there to even see anymore look man OoT was always gonna lose, be it to FFVII or CT or something else if we have to make a monster to beat what undertale is, so be it --- *ExThaNemesis* |
Ocarina looks baaaad. Didn't someone - probably Luster - post a few weeks ago that the proportion of votes from North America had probably fallen? If true this may be having an effect on Ocarina's recent performances. In North America, Ocarina is the consensus 'best game ever' (Nintendo marketing) but in the rest of the world it isn't as highly regarded (just look at the worldwide map for this match alone). |
Denzokuken posted... Ocarina looks baaaad. FFVII coming for you, Link. --- *ExThaNemesis* |
Nanis23 posted... The hate for RBY here disgusts me Buggy mess? I honestly don't remember any game breaking glitches. The only ones I remember are forced glitches. RBY is amazing... Even if new ones made improvements I think they overloaded the amount of Pokemon in them. 150 is more than enough. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
Karma Hunter posted... 'A pic effect' is different from the kind of massive underperformance that this would justify. Comparing it to Solid s*** is, frankly, insulting to that thing's poopy ingloriousness. OoT isn't going to suddenly triple FFIX today if mobile viewers (who are an extremely small percentage of voters) can fully see the ocarina Link's holding. Just don't understand why you are completely ignoring the fact that there is no text saying who the character is. Even solid s*** had that. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
Just
don't understand why you are completely ignoring the fact that there is
no text saying who the character is. Even solid s*** had that. Hover over the picture to see the name lol mobile users on GameFAQs. --- BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:OoT > FFIX, BK > DKC2 Points 135/160 |
What
if the general GameFAQs population is actually more attuned to the
contest than we think and isn't afraid to vote for fan-favorite RPGs
that they really like but maybe less than OoT knowing that OoT is gonna
be fine? Throw in some anti-votes and you have underwhelming. But once
s*** starts hitting the fan OoT does what it's supposed and just beats
everyone. --- Viviff on the go! (or from the toilet) http://i.minus.com/iUSn0BlyRplGN.gif |
The
point is that we don't need a Pokemon counter-rally. That would just be
trading one rallied victory for another (unless Mario, Smash, or Zelda
can SFF Pokemon). The goal is for the Undertale rally to blowback enough
for Pokemon to win, leaving us a quarterfinal and onwards of mostly
just GameFAQS voterbase. --- Raytan7585 is better than me at redditFAQs |
There is
text saying what game it is on everything except mobile devices which,
again, is a very tiny percentage of overall voters. That means even if
there's an influence on the mobile voters, they're not going to vote as a
total bloc for FF9. On top of that, I'm looking at the game on mobile right now. The words 'Ocarina of Time' are readable, if blurry, while the ZELDA text is unmistakable as being from anything other than OoT or MM. And most importantly of all, the pic still has appeal to it. I've seen it get praised today on this very board for the nostalgia THAT particular picture brings to them. Solid s***'s underperforming doesn't have a thing to do with there not being a name there. Its problem is that it's a completely unappealing thing to vote for, and OoT doesn't have that today. I'll say it again - I'm a big believer in pic factor. I'm okay with OoT being down a few points today because of that. But even with that, it's a bad performance, and could very well presage baaaaaaaaaad things to come for it. Think of when Snake faced Frog in 2004 - yeah, we know now that was a pretty serious pic factor, but it also signaled how easily Mega Man was going to blow him away that year too. --- Goddamn Ocarina of Time |
DaruniaTheGoron posted... Nanis23 posted...The hate for RBY here disgusts me http://i.imgur.com/QjJJbM1.jpg This is a well known picture, it summarize most common bugs --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
charmander6000 posted... Just don't understand why you are completely ignoring the fact that there is no text saying who the character is. Even solid s*** had that. Don't laugh, this is 2015 soon-to-be-2016 and everyone has a smartphone now and unlimited Internet connection (or wi-fi spot) I don't think it's so weird for people to vote for the first time on their smartphones, this is what I am doing (since this is 7am here when the match starts, and I am on my way to work) --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
Nanis23 posted... charmander6000 posted...Just don't understand why you are completely ignoring the fact that there is no text saying who the character is. Even solid s*** had that. Posted before, but http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5829-what-are-you-browsing-gamefaqs-with-right-now The mobile browsing faction of GameFAQs hasn't suddenly exploded between now and then. As for the pic's effect on the mobile browsing community, how much are people positing they're voting in OoT/FF9? 60/40? 55/45? 50/50? --- Goddamn Ocarina of Time |
Denzokuken posted... Ocarina looks baaaad. Europe has increased from ~15% of the vote in 2009 to ~19% or so today most likely (I don't think we've had a continent poll recently), so it's a noticeable increase. I had a theory earlier in the contest that European voters have always been more "hardcore" voters than American voters (they are members of a gaming site from a different country), and that as the site bleeds casual voters the European and American voters should begin to approach each other in tastes. HOWEVER, this doesn't really explain Europe-friendly entrants like FFVIII/FFX and Metal Gear Solid looking as bad as they have. Edit: Metroid's a pretty un-Europe friendly series too and that's looked great this contest. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. Congrats to CBIX Guru Winner *Raytan*! (edited 12/3/2015 11:47:35 AM)report |
Less than 10% of the site votes on mobile. Even assuming a Solid **** level of underperformance at most we're looking at 2%. --- BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:OoT > FFIX, BK > DKC2 Points 135/160 |
Why is this site so much US centric anyway It's not like Europe has it's own GameFAQs or something --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
Population of the US vs. the English speaking population of Europe Plus Europe never truly got on board on these types of sites. --- BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:OoT > FFIX, BK > DKC2 Points 135/160 |
ViviffTheMobile posted... What if the general GameFAQs population is actually more attuned to the contest than we think and isn't afraid to vote for fan-favorite RPGs that they really like but maybe less than OoT knowing that OoT is gonna be fine? Throw in some anti-votes and you have underwhelming. But once s*** starts hitting the fan OoT does what it's supposed and just beats everyone. This might happen. But clearly Ocarina of Time would get only like 53% on Wind Waker now! --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
It's
hilarious, and very sad, that we might have had two contests with
Non-Link, Non-Zelda winners but everyone wants rallies to shake things
up. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
Yeah
I'm going to be straight and say that comparing today's pic to Solid
S*** is completely absurd. That's really, really, REALLY grasping at
straws to try and make two bad performances in a row look better. OoT isn't supposed to be a game that you have to make weak excuses for, let alone nonsensical excuses. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
This
excuse has been made for every underperforming favorite ever and it
almost never ends well. No reason it wouldn't be true for FF7, either,
should we knock all its previous matches up a few points too? --- Goddamn Ocarina of Time |
So why is this such a bad performance? FF9 has been doing really well so far. --- If all else fails use fire. |
63% on Final Fantasy IX > Failing to double a Wii U game --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
That's gonna be cold comfort if our overall #1 seed rips FF7's & OoT's heads off --- Goddamn Ocarina of Time |
I
think more than 10% is voting with mobile. The type of person who votes
in our typical POTD can not be directly extrapolated to contest matches
with double the voters. Anyway, I'm content with ending the debate here if it's agreed there is at least couple percentage points being lost because of the pic. I also agree with viviff --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
Like
I said, I'm a big believer in pic factor. I think OoT might be
suffering a couple of points, but I also think SM64 suffered a hit too
just yesterday. But I'm an outlier on pic factor belief, and even with
my strong beliefs I still think the majority of this is OoT sucking it
up. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3465-division-5-round-1-c-cross-ff9-half-life-zelda-oot This is the performance that a game puts up when it's coming out to prove that it's going to win a goddamn contest. No amount of pic factor can compare to crushing FFIX, CC, and Half-Life combined with 54%. --- Goddamn Ocarina of Time |
I
also don't think ffix is overperforming that much. It probably suffered
a little sff from CC in 2009, and likely has gotten stronger over the
years and oot a little weaker imo. So no I don't think it's all picture.
For the record, I also was not saying this pic was as bad as solid s***, just arguing that yes, a lot of gamefaqs voters don't care or are dumb and MGS is proof of that. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
ZFS posted... On one hand, it's cool that there's more level competition instead of pure Nintendo dominance. On the other, how did this SquareFAQs reemerge out of nowhere yeah all these 65/35 losses for FF games it's so good to see SquareFAQs has finally returned --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
oot
isn't being hurt by its pic much imo - the vivi pic causes ffix
overperformance, and if ffix is really strong enough to beat kingdom
hearts, then it's big enough to cause that classic square/nintendo
closer-match effect too --- yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness |
Nanis23 posted... Why is this site so much US centric anyway Cause it's English speaking for the most part I would guess. The UK and Ireland are only two countries in Europe. --- 3DS FC: 1805-2178-2522 NNID: Scarlettail |
That
poll is close to a year ago? The shift to mobile had been very fast,
there could be a lot more people voting from phones now, especially for
contest polls. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
Karma Hunter posted... This excuse has been made for every underperforming favorite ever and it almost never ends well. No reason it wouldn't be true for FF7, either, should we knock all its previous matches up a few points too? FFVII underperformed due to people anti-voting it because Yuffie was in the pic book it --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Also,
using Baldur's Gate 2 as a base of reference and assuming SotN ends
with 62% today, here's how SotN's division would look like if it was in
Game of the Decade (with some games added in as reference points): (Resident Evil 4: 43.09%) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night: 42.51% (Mass Effect 35.06%) (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door 33.94%) Banjo-Kazooie: 33.49% (Chrono Cross 32.90%) Donkey Kong Country 2: 32.15 Xenoblade Chronicles: 31.92% (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 31.73%) Fire Emblem: Awakening: 30.79% (Final Fantasy XII 30.72%) (Skies of Arcadia 26.51%) Baldur’s Gate II: Shadows of Amn: 25.24% Super Mario Maker: 21.93% Phoenix Wright 3: 21.26% --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
As
an aside, based on Okami I'm thinking Final Fantasy IX = Metroid Prime,
like transience postulated earlier. If anything, that should underrate
Metroid Prime (and thus overrate Ocarina in any comparisons). Were it not for Undertale polluting the results, we could keep a watch on SM64/Skyrim and get a rough indirect read on SM64! For example, if SM64 were to 60-40 Skyrim, it would be projected to put 46% on OoT based on this match right now. --- Goddamn Ocarina of Time |
The Mana Sword posted... Banjo-Kazooie: 33.49% serves you right for celebrating B-K beating DKC2's percentage --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Wow Baldur's Gate II > Mario Maker, does anyone actually take that pre-contest? I probably take it just because BG2 did fairly well on THE LIST. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
LinkMarioSamus posted... Wow Baldur's Gate II > Mario Maker, does anyone actually take that pre-contest? No, you wouldn't. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Yes I would. I'll admit that for every debated match I pretty much just took a look at who placed higher on that and tried to envision said result. My gut pick was DKC2 winning the fourpack based on that, unfortunately I changed to Fire Emblem winning it later on. Oh and Prime was only two spots behind Skyrim on that, predicted that match quite well! --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
Yikes I just realized looking at CC/FF9/HL/OoT that OoT has about as much on FFIX today as it had on FFIX and Chrono Cross combined in 2009. I think we can all conclude CC is worthless based on this flawless comparison --- Goddamn Ocarina of Time |
Nanis23 posted... Why is this site so much US centric anyway The real question should be why is GameFAQS so (relatively) Canada centric. Canada had almost a fifth of the voters of the US in 2009, despite having around a tenth of the population IRL. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. Congrats to CBIX Guru Winner *Raytan*! (edited 12/3/2015 12:29:04 PM)report |
This
result and FFVIII's fairly bad performances should silence the last
doubters that FFIX has moved ahead of FFVIII in the series hierarchy,
right? --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
I
believe there are many reasons for this poor OoT performance. First of
all an overall Nintendo drop wouldn't be too strange given the Wii U's
complete failure. Secondly I think we definitely have more "smart"
voters at this point. People who are going to anti vote FF7 or OoT in
every match because they always win. This group probably grows with each
contest. Thirdly, hipsters. At one point FF7 and OoT were so much more
popular than any other game in their series that over time you are going
to get more and more people putting other games from Zelda or FF above
them just to be different. And lastly I think we definitely have some
Tumblr rally leftovers who at this point are probably going to be voting
exclusively anti-gamefaqs. FF7 is in the same place as Ocarina imo. Lets be honest 65% on Wii U Smash is nearly as bad as this OoT performance. Melee would make FF7 look awful in a match now. Both games just got too popular. I dont think we will ever see the days again where FF7 and OoT are clear tier 1 games with everything else a distant tier 2. |
Except
Melee got only 55% on Kingdom Hearts II so who...actually Kingdom
Hearts is probably just ridiculously powerful this contest. And yet the original lost in Round 1 anyway due to being fed to the monster that is Final Fantasy IX. Kingdom Hearts 1 might well be the most wasted game this contest. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil (edited 12/3/2015 12:51:34 PM)report |
KH1
should have still beaten FFIX. FFIX did worse than Metroid Prime did on
Okami in 2010, and Kingdom Hearts beat Metroid Prime and Paper Mario combined in 2009. KH1 weakened a lot, even granting a FFIX boost. --- Goddamn Ocarina of Time |
Maybe Okami just got stronger, it seems to defy expectations every year. FFIX wasn't too far behind KH in the stats and it had FFX/FFIX to deal with. --- BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:OoT > FFIX, BK > DKC2 Points 135/160 |
Okami
could be stronger, but I can't think of much a reason for that to be
the case. Meanwhile, again, KH1 didn't just beat Metroid Prime, it beat
Metroid Prime and Paper Mario combined in the same poll, while also
having to contend with a fellow PS2 game at the same time. Anyone think
FFIX could pull off the same hat trick today? I can't possibly believe
KH1 hasn't weakened since 2009. --- Goddamn Ocarina of Time |
