Scarlettail posted...
Pokemon Trainer Joey for generic Pokemon enemy. Would win a few matches at least. Or a Team Rocket member.

Yeah, you could also go that way with Pokemon and declare the trainers to be the "enemies".
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I'm sure MMX hurt Mario. But Crono also has the SNES connection with X, so I don't imagine it was anything too crazy in terms of disproportionate effect; maybe Mario wins 55/45 1v1 that year. Considering people had him pegged at pushing 60% on Crono - with X in the poll - that's obviously a heavy underperformance.
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Oh, right: Mario/Crono/X was a day match. Be very careful when considering that result, and think as much on Crono losing his night vote advantage over Mario as you do the effect of X's presence.
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In general, that contest was weird and bizarre. Not sure how much of it is reflective of the site's preferences today. Or maybe Cloud really does struggle with Squirtle! I don't know about a site shift, necessarily, but I think the intense Nintendo domination might be more muted these days than it was previously. Naturally, that hurts Mario the most, being the most representative of Nintendo. Not sure I'm willing to go Crono over Mario because CT smashed FF10. Gonna need to do something against a real elite competitor first.
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Oh yeah, if CT struggles with Melee or something that's reason to reevaluate it. But I think if it shows itself to be a truly elite game on the site in line with the results we've seen so far by the end of the contest, that's as good an argument as any for Crono in the absence of an actual character contest.

I mean, CT brushing aside SMB3 without even trying did signal Crono > Mario that same year pretty solidly. Even the two matches' percentages were fairly close to one another.
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Great match pics all around. Pokemon's in particular is one of the best in years. It's going to overperform as a result.
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Pokemon's going to overperform because of tumblr but I guess that could marginally add to said overperformance <.<
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Sonic was a huge beneficiary of the Tumblr rally too.

But yeah, Pokemon is higher on the Tumblr hierarchy and will probably get the (at least slight) majority of the redirected votes. That's my prediction, anyway.
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slight majority could be 60/40 though and Sonic 2 won't get 40% of the gamefaqs votes.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Speaking of revisionist history: "All the Undertale matches have been obvious and boring" is a gigantic one and is basically people doing their damndest not to enjoy the current situation


We've had two Undertale matches, so this "all" stuff is ridiculous. I never said they were all boring. I said they're all going to be boring from here on out.

The first was interesting because it was unique and mindblowing.

The second was a test to see if the rally could keep it with a much stronger game and how it would react with a rally organized from the get go instead of with 7 hours remaining.

Once it did, there was nothing interesting left for it to do. The contest is over.
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Sonic 2's pic is better!
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11/30/2015 6:34:15 PM#213
transience posted...
slight majority could be 60/40 though and Sonic 2 won't get 40% of the gamefaqs votes.


This. Even if they like Pokemon more than Sonic, the gap between the two isn't necessarily more than it would be on GameFAQs. Considering they like Sonic a lot, there's a good chance it's less.
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LeonhartFour posted...

The second was a test to see if the rally could keep it with a much stronger game.

Once it did, there was nothing interesting left for it to do. The contest is over.


I'd argue that Mario World is a quantam leap ahead of Fallout 3, and is an actual site favorite. The fans are going to have to work their asses off to keep up with Mario on this site.
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KamikazePotato posted...
That doesn't change people outright lying about the situation a lot of the time, not to mention people complaining about one rally and then going around and rallying for everything under the sun.


Also I have never rallied for anything in 12 years of this contest. I've been consistent on this point so don't group me with the rest.
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People have been giving Mario excuses since 2008. The Brawl Deboost is real, even if you don't like the tongue in cheek naming of it, although just like the original Nintendo Boost in 2005, Link and Samus were the least affected characters in the Nintendo realm.
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11/30/2015 6:37:36 PM#217
LeonhartFour posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Speaking of revisionist history: "All the Undertale matches have been obvious and boring" is a gigantic one and is basically people doing their damndest not to enjoy the current situation


We've had two Undertale matches, so this "all" stuff is ridiculous. I never said they were all boring. I said they're all going to be boring from here on out.

The first was interesting because it was unique and mindblowing.

The second was a test to see if the rally could keep it with a much stronger game and how it would react with a rally organized from the get go instead of with 7 hours remaining.

Once it did, there was nothing interesting left for it to do. The contest is over.


Undertale came back from 9200 votes and then something like 6800 votes. That is not "boring".
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11/30/2015 6:39:06 PM#218
MechanicalWall posted...
LeonhartFour posted...

The second was a test to see if the rally could keep it with a much stronger game.

Once it did, there was nothing interesting left for it to do. The contest is over.


I'd argue that Mario World is a quantam leap ahead of Fallout 3, and is an actual site favorite. The fans are going to have to work their asses off to keep up with Mario on this site.


It doesn't really matter that SMW is stronger here. Undertale was already getting killed by FO3 excluding rallied votes. SMW being stronger doesn't result in too many more votes since GameFAQs doesn't have that many more votes to give it. Furthermore, Undertale's base strength will also grow to offset the difference in opponent's strength.
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Samus and Nintendo have never really been in sync. 2004 is her best year. sometimes I feel like her fanbase is reliant on Square fans contributing to the cause more than anything. here we have Square doing pretty well this year and hey Metroid's having a good year.
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MechanicalWall posted...
The fans are going to have to work their asses off to keep up with Mario on this site.


No they're not.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
This. Even if they like Pokemon more than Sonic, the gap between the two isn't necessarily more than it would be on GameFAQs. Considering they like Sonic a lot, there's a good chance it's less.


When I did my Tumblr rally calculations, I estimated a normal GameFAQs percentage of 61.00% for Sonic and 73.21% from the Tumblr voters. That's not a particularly huge boost for Sonic and could even be blamed on Uncharted 2 not being popular on Tumblr (like how Vice City was hated on Tumblr, allowing FFVIII to benefit instead). I don't think Sonic is very high on Tumblr's hierarchy, so I'd probably expect Pokemon to perform better on Tumblr than on GameFAQs.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
It doesn't really matter that SMW is stronger here. Undertale was already getting killed by FO3 excluding rallied votes. SMW being stronger doesn't result in too many more votes since GameFAQs doesn't have that many more votes to give it. Furthermore, Undertale's base strength will also grow to offset the difference in opponent's strength.


I'm not trying to say that SMW has a chance, because I don't think it does. Just saying that it's still a very clear escalation of challenge for Undertale, and that might still keep the match entertaining.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Undertale came back from 9200 votes and then something like 6800 votes. That is not "boring".


did you actually read what I said or not
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Undertale isn't 'boring'... it's more that it's inevitable and unstoppable once it starts. it's not particularly interesting to see a rally unless something can fight back. so far, nothing can come close to fighting back. maybe Mario or Pokemon or Chrono Trigger or Zelda can push back. maybe not. the seemingly only way to beat it is to find a new vote source and that's not interesting in the slightest. maybe Mario can hold it off somehow though.
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I agree, Undertale and Draven have not been boring. Neither has been strong enough to erase hope.
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Hey, if you guys like it and find it interesting, fine. I'm not trying to convince you it's boring. I'm just saying why I think it's boring.

Not sure why people seem to want to try to make me find it interesting when I don't.
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when the outcome is a foregone conclusion it's boring. Link and OoT were always boring for this reason. Undertale and Draven are no different.
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Don't know if FF6 is underperforming or if MM scored SFF vs WW, or if WW boosted in five years time.


Well, we don't need to worry about WW/MM SFF because TTYD was behind WW in the stats. We do know that Zelda:WW gained relative to TTYD...it's expected to get 64.23% on TTYD now, whereas it was supposed to get 60.73% on it in 2010. The question is... did TTYD drop or did WW grow? I'd like to think that WW boosted because it beat KotOR by more than expected....it got 63.25% on it when it was expected to get 59.97%. Assuming a constant KotOR would make the numbers fit very neatly here, actually. it's hard to say, though.
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ROUND 3 – DAY 3 – ALL OF DIVISION 3

Match CI: (8) Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow/Green vs. (12) Sonic the Hedgehog 2

Previous Rounds

Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow/Green
68.34% against Tetris
62.67% against Super Mario Bros. 3

Sonic the Hedgehog 2
53.17% against Portal 2
66.71% against Uncharted 2

Analysis

It’s a shame that Tumblr had to ruin Pokemon RBYG/SMB3, but I feel Pokemon would have still won the match, but I guess we’ll never know. Regardless of whoever won last round they would be the favourite to win this match. As well as Sonic 2 has done this year it just can’t compete with elite Nintendo games.

Both games got the support of Tumblr last round with Pokemon RBYG getting a bit more support than Sonic 2. Of course taking their opponents into account I feel it is likely that the majority will support Pokemon RBYG. Of course that may not mean Pokemon RBYG’s percent will go up; GameFAQs may support Pokemon 65/35 while Tumblr may only support Pokemon 60/40. Regardless Pokemon should be relatively safe in this match.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Pokemon RBYG > Sonic the Hedgehog 2

charmander6000’s Prediction: Pokemon RBYG wins, 65.21% - 34.79%



Match CII: (6) Undertale vs. (2) Super Mario World

Previous Rounds

Undertale
50.95% against Mass Effect 3
55.74% against Fallout 3

Super Mario World
73.27% against Animal Crossing: New Leaf
68.25% against Final Fantasy VIII

Analysis

Some people think Undertale would fold against Super Mario World and while Super Mario World is stronger than Fallout 3 and given it’s a Nintendo game and harder to rally against, but it is difficult to see Undertale go down with a whimper. The rally has gained momentum and while Undertale fans may find it more difficult to take the game over Super Mario World the people doing it for laughs see no problem.

Last round mild rallies were already up as soon as the match begun before it gained full steam in the morning. For this match I expect the rally to gain full steam earlier which means Super Mario World will have to counter more votes. The main issue for Super Mario World is that it doesn’t have a place to rally though to be honest you could rally almost anywhere and get a net gain of votes for Super Mario World. Heck even Tumblr would go for SMW on average if you take a less biased sample.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Super Mario World > Fallout 3

charmander6000’s Prediction: Undertale wins, 53.11% - 46.89%
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The optimal conclusion to this contest is Undertale beating out OoT* by 1 vote in the final update.

*VLR
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Karma Hunter posted...
Oh yeah, if CT struggles with Melee or something that's reason to reevaluate it. But I think if it shows itself to be a truly elite game on the site in line with the results we've seen so far by the end of the contest, that's as good an argument as any for Crono in the absence of an actual character contest.

I mean, CT brushing aside SMB3 without even trying did signal Crono > Mario that same year pretty solidly. Even the two matches' percentages were fairly close to one another.


Mario World is a couple steps up from Melee. CT/SMW would be the real match to tell there, I think. I've got Mario World as the strongest Mario game these days, that'd be a good match. I'm not on board with the idea of CT as a threat to OOT, so it's not as high in my mind as some might consider it. I do think it could actually go toe to toe with FF7, though. My original pick was CT > FF7 in my bracket!
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I don't understand how people can say that Undertale has already won the contest. Did you not see Link/Shepard/Draven? As far as strength goes, OoT > Link and Draven > Undertale, and Link BARELY lost, with Shepard holding him back and the site going down during his best time.

I know you don't want to give yourselves false hope, but I wouldn't even call Undertale the favorite, let alone a certainty.
tennisboy213 posted...
I don't understand how people can say that Undertale has already won the contest. Did you not see Link/Shepard/Draven? As far as strength goes, OoT > Link and Draven > Undertale, and Link BARELY lost, with Shepard holding him back and the site going down during his best time.

I know you don't want to give yourselves false hope, but I wouldn't even call Undertale the favorite, let alone a certainty.


I do agree that people are letting Draven's run influence their opinions of Undertale's chances too much. The rally has been snowballing, yes, but i just don't think Undertale has as much support as Draven had to pull from. I expect it to hit a wall sooner or later, be it Pokemon, Chrono Trigger, FFVII, or OoT.

Then again, I also wouldn't be surprised if it finished its run to the championship title, especially since I think that GameFaqs has started warming up to Undertale way more than it did to Draven.
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tennisboy213 posted...
I don't understand how people can say that Undertale has already won the contest. Did you not see Link/Shepard/Draven? As far as strength goes, OoT > Link and Draven > Undertale, and Link BARELY lost, with Shepard holding him back and the site going down during his best time.

I know you don't want to give yourselves false hope, but I wouldn't even call Undertale the favorite, let alone a certainty.


if Ocarina of Time were up against it *now*, sure, but it has too much time to build up momentum
11/30/2015 8:13:41 PM#235
Undertale has already won because there are no games that can beat it. If you want to be super optimistic, Oot might have been a match for Round 2 Undertale. I think that's what some projections showed. OoT is fighting Round 7 Undertale. Undertale isn't losing there or in any match against lesser opponents between now and then.
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tennisboy213 posted...
Draven > Undertale


Well this is hard to measure since the reddit rally varied wildly over the different rounds. R3 Draven was not R2 Draven.

Undertale's base strenght is also far stronger than Draven.
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LongLiveraytan
11/30/2015 8:32:47 PM#237
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Undertale has already won because there are no games that can beat it.


You know this is not true.
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I would be more miffed at this rally had there been interesting results outside of it. So far the only noteworthy stuff to me is CT and the Starcraft/ME2 match.

It's been a real boring first three rounds outside of CT, but there's some good round 3 matches to come though so maybe it can start ramping up in excitement.
11/30/2015 8:40:06 PM#239
UltimaterializerX posted...
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Undertale has already won because there are no games that can beat it.


You know this is not true.


Sorry, I meant games in the contest. I guess League of Legends can't be counted out but it's not in the contest and just replaces one rally fueled game with another.
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So...Undertale flipped about 12k votes against Fallout, right? Assuming SMW is naturally stronger and more resistant to rallies, what is the most likely break point for this match? A 10k vote lead, I'd imagine?

Edit: holy s*** more like 17k flip

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10k feels like the number
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Undertale has already won because there are no games that can beat it.


You know this is not true.


knock it off with the fake modesty
ZFS posted...
10k feels like the number


Yeah I dunno, I'm thinking more like 13k-15k
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14 hours till Undertale takes the lead
Let's do this SMW
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LongLiveraytan
I think Mario World can do 13,000 I believe
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Undertale is literally the John Cena of the contest.
pjbasis posted...
They have to believe it's vulnerable so they feel like underdogs


I'm not sure if Pokemon can win tomorrow guys

Tumblr might flip it for Sonic
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
Undertale has already won because there are no games that can beat it. If you want to be super optimistic, Oot might have been a match for Round 2 Undertale. I think that's what some projections showed. OoT is fighting Round 7 Undertale. Undertale isn't losing there or in any match against lesser opponents between now and then.


Link almost beat Round 7 Draven, so OoT could beat R7 Undertale... not getting my hopes up but there is still a chance

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