GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1226
Because I have a basic understanding of human empathy? This isn't exactly a complicated situation --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Were
the Starcraft rallies of old given this same kind of ire? Because it
seems like people look back on those fondly, while simultaneously
deriding the Undertale ones. Just seems like a disconnect. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus |
NowItsAngeTime posted... KamikazePotato posted...Speaking of revisionist history: "All the Undertale matches have been obvious and boring" is a gigantic one and is basically people doing their damndest not to enjoy the current situation The Post-Traumatic Draven experience is real. To this day people still post about being buttfurious. It also made everybody immediately assume a defeatist attitude in the face of any strong rally. (edited 11/30/2015 1:46:37 PM)report |
Starcraft was just as bad tbqh --- satoru iwata |
FFDragon posted... Were the Starcraft rallies of old given this same kind of ire? Because it seems like people look back on those fondly, while simultaneously deriding the Undertale ones. Just seems like a disconnect. I gave them the same kind of ire StarCraft cheated in every match never forget yes even Kingdom Hearts somehow believe --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
KamikazePotato posted... Because I have a basic understanding of human empathy? This isn't exactly a complicated situation There are as many viewpoints on any given situation as there are people observing it. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
I
wasn't around for Starcraft (or any 2002-2004 contest) so any crazy
rallies for then I can't compare to Undertale/Draven ones but my guess
is there was likely complaining --- Anime List: http://myanimelist.net/profile/superange VG List: http://myvideogamelist.com/profile/superange128 Visual Novels: https://vndb.org/u6633/votes |
pjbasis posted... Lynx_7 posted... It's not like they're gonna stop. Might as well beat them at their own game instead of silently taking it. (edited 11/30/2015 1:49:15 PM)report |
really any notable Nintendo person could potentially rally Mario World (or RBY...or OoT) (edited 11/30/2015 1:52:09 PM)report |
Lynx_7 posted...
It's not like I care enough. And it's really not that easy. Takes an extraordinary amount of luck to start something like this. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan (edited 11/30/2015 1:53:42 PM)report |
pjbasis posted... KamikazePotato posted...Because I have a basic understanding of human empathy? This isn't exactly a complicated situation Yes, I know. There are the people who don't like rallies as a rule, the people who don't like or haven't played Undertale, the people who just like contest results to be GameFAQs-contained for stats purposes, the people who don't like rally spillover due to the 4-way format specifically, even people who legitimately do just like Zelda winning every year It doesn't change the fact that pretty much all of them are complaining constantly and exaggerating the situation every chance they get. Undertale could've easily lost its first two matches, and the first one was easily the most exciting day of a contest that has, honestly, otherwise had very few interesting matches. There are some definite criticisms to be made (mostly about the effect it might have on matches on the same day in the future), but every single GOOD aspect of what has happened completely gets ignored so people can spout more doom and gloom Like GameFAQs rarely ever has a result that actually aligns with my tastes - Undertale is basically the first major one, ever - so it's pretty damn annoying when I actually might get a result I like and it just makes people complain constantly because things are ~different~ now. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Let me put it this way - I've put up with Link and FF7 winning for 10 years. Let me have one year, sheesh! --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Achromatic posted... Okay fine. You are conflating things that literally have nothing to do with one another. No, this is not "the same crap as" whatever. I don't know what you think you're seeing? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Excluding the fact that people *did* complain about Starcraft at the time: If you can't understand the difference between a rally of ~2,000 (at most) and a rally of ~30,000 you are either incredibly ignorant or are being intentionally obtuse. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. Congrats to CBIX Guru Winner *Raytan*! |
... Chrono Trigger and Crono have nothing to do with each other, creativename? That's a ... creative use of things! --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
LOLContests posted... Excluding the fact that people *did* complain about Starcraft at the time: Imagine undertale goes down. There will be so much tears from people. |
LOLContests posted... Excluding the fact that people *did* complain about Starcraft at the time: I can understand where this is coming from but I also think it's bad logic because any rally that someone does has the potential to take off and be huge. It's only by luck that a rally 'only' gets 2000 votes - which is silly, anyway. 2000 votes is still enough to change the winner of the match to something that it wouldn't have normally been. If you don't like rallies, then don't rally, period, and don't support any other rally either. I respect that infinitely more than "Undertale sucks...I'm just gonna post this link on reddit to my favorite game though, it'll only get a couple hundred votes so it's okay" --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Januzaj_Dragon posted... LOLContests posted...Excluding the fact that people *did* complain about Starcraft at the time: And yet somehow it will still be less then what this board produced just in the first round. |
KamikazePotato posted... Let me put it this way - I've put up with Link and FF7 winning for 10 years. Let me have one year, sheesh! I'm curious though, what about Undertale winning do you actually enjoy? For me, when I see Chrono Cross beating WoW and SA, I feel somewhat vindicated. Like it gets s*** on so much, but then hey, a lot of people do like it! But let's say CC won the whole contest because I gathered up tens of thousands of CC fans that don't normally see these polls, that doesn't mean anything. CC isn't more popular than Ocarina of Time, or Chrono Trigger. The poll was just fixed. Rather than hitting a random sample of a segment of the gaming population, it was heavily injected with a very specific demographic. So...what do you like about this? Just the very literal result? --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
1337gamerpr0 posted... really any notable Nintendo person could potentially rally Mario World (or RBY...or OoT) So... chugaaconroy, NOA/NOE's twitter accounts, Nintendo's subreddit, who else ya got? |
Lynx_7 posted... 1337gamerpr0 posted...really any notable Nintendo person could potentially rally Mario World (or RBY...or OoT) Nintendo's subreddit doesn't allow rallies. That probably saved Draven, Link was holding quite well at the very beginning before his reddit rally was deleted. |
And yet somehow it will still be less then what this board produced just in the first round. When SBAllen's wife got reddit to shut down the rallies for a while in Draven/Mewtwo/Sephiroth they were pretty pissed off for a group that claimed they didn't care. --- BGE3: Today's Matches FFVI>LoZ:WW and FFVII>SMG Points 115/136 |
Oh yeah, there's also Bill Trinen. He's very approachable and interacts with the Smash scene all the time. |
charmander6000 posted... And yet somehow it will still be less then what this board produced just in the first round. that was an amazing moment |
Januzaj_Dragon posted... Imagine undertale goes down. There will be so much tears from people. I don't think so. I don't even know if I want Undertale to keep winning at this point - it might be worth it to lose just for people to stop complaining about it. Basically, http://i.imgur.com/uBCv0rS.png pjbasis posted... So...what do you like about this? Just the very literal result? Yeah. It's a nice underdog narrative to follow (even if it's probably the favorite at this point). I wouldn't care as much as if it was for...say, Melee, a game that I equally love, because Melee is already popular and well-known. Undertale is a game where its recognition and sales numbers could actually be greatly helped by doing something like winning a GameFAQs contest. It would also shake up the GameFAQs paradigm of the same games always doing well - one of the worst parts about this contest is how stagnant everything is. I'd be liking it about as much if, say, Skies of Arcadia was doing the same thing even though it probably wouldn't lead to many news fans. Dark Souls too. It's just something I like to see. The previous Undertale matches cheered me up on bad days. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
just like how Draven screwed up a potential Snake win, Undertale is taking the wind out of Chrono Trigger hype given this it's not surprising that people are extra cold towards these rallies |
1337gamerpr0 posted... charmander6000 posted...And yet somehow it will still be less then what this board produced just in the first round. Yes but that were the "ringleaders" (who were probably in for gamefaqs salt). I mean in a large rally like that most people votes and probably won't even check the results after they voted. (They might learn it by the follow up tumblr post but that's the extend of their involvement). Still, I do remember someone accusing the mods of being bribed by people with Mewtwo brackets so yeah that was great. |
Lynx_7 posted... Oh yeah, there's also Bill Trinen. He's very approachable and interacts with the Smash scene all the time. He also retweets everything! Bill Trinen is a good guy. --- satoru iwata |
Wait, is this the real deal? https://twitter.com/charlesmartinet I mean, looks pretty barren but could be worth a shot maybe. I'm just throwing ideas since I don't actually have a twitter account so I can't really do anything to rally Mario. I'm just encouraging the people who really want to see Undertale go down tomorrow to do something instead of mope. It's much more entertaining to watch two rallies go at each other than one side being miserable. |
KamikazePotato posted... I don't think so. I don't even know if I want Undertale to keep winning at this point - it might be worth it to lose just for people to stop complaining about it. I mean, I don't see how this is surprising. People would have a totally different reaction if Undertale just proved to be this hidden gem that GameFAQs loved, but it was basically fodder before the rally. It's like wondering why people didn't like Dravn. --- satoru iwata |
You
know what's way worse than either disliking/being apathetic toward
Undertale and having to watch it win or liking Undertale and being
annoyed about all the complaining and bitterness its wins are
generating? Liking Undertale and hating the way its winning. Watching a game you like become The Monster From Beyond The Gamefaqs That Must Be Stopped and having to root against it to stop it from overwhelming the rest of the contest is not fun. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
KamikazePotato posted... It would also shake up the GameFAQs paradigm of the same games always doing well - one of the worst parts about this contest is how stagnant everything is. It is a big problem, but that's something that can only be fixed with the actual site doing something different. The contest needs to reach more people. Key being a variety of people. I would love if western games be on par with the big nintendo and final fantasy games. Rallies shake up nothing but one game's path. Like Master Chief in the 2007 contest is actually really awesome because it reflected actual widespread opinion change. KamikazePotato posted... Undertale is a game where its recognition and sales numbers could actually be greatly helped by doing something like winning a GameFAQs contest Fair enough I guess --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
I will concede Undertale/ME3 was a tense match. Undertale/FO3, though? I basically knew it was over as soon as FO3 got cut overnight. Not to mention it cheated us out of SMB3/RBY. And that's not a revisionist opinion at all. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
Draven
was a bad rally because it brought the League of Legends subreddit with
it. Undertale fans that have come here have been downright polite. Way
moreso than the actual board! Also GameFAQs isn't going to have any hidden gems at this point. We're set in our ways; this contest has basically proven that old > new forever. And as fun as it is to watch CT go bonkers, I don't think anyone here would actually seriously entertain picking it over OoT. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
pjbasis posted... It is a big problem, but that's something that can only be fixed with the actual site doing something different. The contest needs to reach more people. Key being a variety of people. I would love if western games be on par with the big nintendo and final fantasy games. Rallies shake up nothing but one game's path. Like Master Chief in the 2007 contest is actually really awesome because it reflected actual widespread opinion change. I agree with this but I don't think this is ever going to happen with the way this site is headed, so this is the next-best thing for me really. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
KamikazePotato posted... Draven was a bad rally because it brought the League of Legends subreddit with it. Undertale fans that have come here have been downright polite. Way moreso than the actual board! Not OoT no but what about FFVII? |
lol smash bros cutting FFVII a few times. |
KamikazePotato posted... pjbasis posted...It is a big problem, but that's something that can only be fixed with the actual site doing something different. The contest needs to reach more people. Key being a variety of people. I would love if western games be on par with the big nintendo and final fantasy games. Rallies shake up nothing but one game's path. Like Master Chief in the 2007 contest is actually really awesome because it reflected actual widespread opinion change. Yes, I don't think gamefaqs will ever be relevant anymore. It will just keep dropping off. Honestly, I wish more rallies had happened for games like Witcher 3 , Minecraft or even Halo (and I really don't like Halo). |
CT
lighting everything up is way more entertaining than Undertale, because
you never know how far that goes. The moment Undertale rallied like
9,000 votes to beat ME3, it became Draven 2.0. People said 'oh, Fallout
is way stronger,' but its was on a collision course with Ocarina of Time
once that happened, barring pure strength / rallies from a game like
Mario World or Pokemon. It's not exciting for anyone unless you're a fan
of Undertale. People who liked League got a kick out of Draven, or
people who wanted something different, but it's essentially the same in
my book. It's a one-sided super rally that 99% of games can't properly
fight against. --- satoru iwata |
I also am mostly upset we couldn't get our Mario gauntlet though. So unfortunate Undertale was in that division. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
and that 1% is absolutely ZELDA so brace yourself --- satoru iwata |
Ulti should GTFO Board 8 if he likes Tumblrtale. --- You dare bring light to my lair? YOU MUST DIE! - CDI Ganon |
Janus5k posted... Undertale/FO3, though? I basically knew it was over as soon as FO3 got cut overnight. I didn't think it was! The final result was 55-45 - its not like when Draven got 80% on MMX and Ryu. If Fallout had fought back more, it could've won. Either way though, I don't think that should be a huge knock against it. There are plenty of strong games here that have boring matches all the time. Not to mention it cheated us out of SMB3/RBY. And that's not a revisionist opinion at all. I don't think SMB3 would really make a run for that match but I can see why people would've wanted to see it, yeah. I did too, and rally spillover is the one part about this that really disappoints me. The contest format is normally so nice too. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
don't think SMW/Undertale is forgone conclusion, and that's what will
make it interesting. Can UT take down a seriously strong game? Not some
modern franchise like Fallout or Mass Effect. --- 3DS FC: 1805-2178-2522 NNID: Scarlettail |
AxemRedRanger posted... You know what's way worse than either disliking/being apathetic toward Undertale and having to watch it win or liking Undertale and being annoyed about all the complaining and bitterness its wins are generating? I also like Undertale and am pretty happy that it managed to beat ME3 and FO3 (perhaps not entirely satisfied with how things turned out, but I liked the results anyway). But I also want it to face some tough competition and make for close matches. If it wins against both Marios (assuming 64 beats TP) then CT/FF7 is as far as I'm willing to see it go. IF it gets to OOT then it better make a legendary match. |
ZFS posted... CT lighting everything up is way more entertaining than Undertale, because you never know how far that goes. The moment Undertale rallied like 9,000 votes to beat ME3, it became Draven 2.0. People said 'oh, Fallout is way stronger,' but its was on a collision course with Ocarina of Time once that happened, barring pure strength / rallies from a game like Mario World or Pokemon. It's not exciting for anyone unless you're a fan of Undertale. People who liked League got a kick out of Draven, or people who wanted something different, but it's essentially the same in my book. It's a one-sided super rally that 99% of games can't properly fight against. But you could say the same for CT or OoT or FFVII against most games. I mean it's only technically fairer but not in a million year are Fallout 3 or ME3 going to ever be able to properly fight against. Actually you could even say all new games can't properly fight without rallies because of the gamefaqs trends. (edited 11/30/2015 2:28:21 PM)report |
ZFS posted... It's not exciting for anyone unless you're a fan of Undertale. People who liked League got a kick out of Draven, or people who wanted something different, but it's essentially the same in my book. It's a one-sided super rally that 99% of games can't properly fight against. I mean, this describes every strong game? Do you think it's fun for me to watch OoT get 77% on Suikoden II and for that to be an underwhelming result for OoT? I get that Undertale is strong because of a rally but I don't think the 'it makes matches one-sided' thing should fly when there's a lot of games that make matches one-sided. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
To be fair, I'm probably way more cynical than most here a f***ing glove AND a bag of sand will do that for what it's worth, I'm at least enjoying my playthrough of Undertale --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
I
would think the difference would be apparent, but if you don't see it
then I dunno. People feel about Undertale how you feel about blowouts --
it's not fun. --- satoru iwata |
Also
there is the fact that this year , (due to no trends) ,almost all
results are decided during the first 10 minutes. if a game is ahead at
the second update, you can come back tomorrow and be pretty sure it won. Top 5 Largest Comebacks 1. Undertale vs. Mass Effect 3 Round 1 9252 2. Undertale vs. Fallout 3 Round 2 6834 3. Mass Effect 2 vs. Starcraft Round 2 566 4. Donkey Kong Country 2 vs. Xenoblade Chronicles Round 1 290 5. Mass Effect vs. Super Mario Galaxy 2 Round 1 265 If we ignore the rallies (so Undertale and Mass Effect) we can see that a 300 lead is basically match over. |
