GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1226
Janus5k posted... good luck to anyone who wants Mario to win I believe in Mario --- satoru iwata |
Mario World better win or my bracket is toast...Warm buttery toast. --- Play Earthbound And Dragon Warrior(Quest) 7 |
speaking of trends - FF7 and Smash, man. you can't find two more opposite trend-y games. --- xyzzy |
Then00bAvenger posted... But the original Smash Bros had the commercial If there was a Best Video Game Commercial Contest, Smash 64 would be my winner, hands down. --- Yay - Raytan is the guru champion of awesomeness. |
Smash 64 has got to be at least on the level of Smash U, maybe stronger. --- Christopher Christopher Christopher Christopher |
remember when we had the bright idea of replacing Smash 64 with SoulCalibur in 2009 fun times --- sig pssssssssssst - http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/568795-soccer-challenge |
ZFS posted... Janus5k posted...good luck to anyone who wants Mario to win Yeah I realized this contest that you probably shouldn't bet on Mario to get the job done. That entire series has looked like total crap these past two contests, darn. What happened? --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
I uhhhhh think I'd really take Crono > Mario if the match was held tomorrow c'mon Mario v Crono bonus battle --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
The calm before the storm. --- 3DS FC: 1805-2178-2522 NNID: Scarlettail |
Chrono Trigger has always been more popular than Crono I don't know why we're overreacting. --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5252-character-battle-ix-bonus-battle-2-revenge-match Fun times. I still think X is close to #10 on the site (when not counting rallies). --- http://i.imgur.com/yrqRzHJ.gif |
I
wanna say it was red sox who had the theory long ago that Mario goes up
and down depending on when Nintendo goes up and down. If that theory
is true, it would explain some of our results...not completely, but to
some degree. And I'd take SSB64 to be strong, probably a little below where Brawl would be at today. --- M E N: nominate Metal Man in 20XX! http://i.imgur.com/Dr4NAeq.png |
Crono is going higher than the 53% he got in 2004 if he's put against Mario now. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
Achromatic posted... Chrono Trigger has always been more popular than Crono I don't know why we're overreacting. Lost to Mario 64 while another Mario game was holding it down in 2009 Doubled Final Fantasy X in 2015 --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
Let's make a prediction game : when will Undertale take the lead?! --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
Karma Hunter posted... Achromatic posted...Chrono Trigger has always been more popular than Crono I don't know why we're overreacting. Get four ways out of my face. --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
what if Mario 64 is still that strong and FFT is just a beast now lol |
Fourways
is a lazy excuse for that result. There's no logical way CT wins that
match after removing the anchor weighing Mario down - and even despite
that anchor Mario 64 blew it away without even trying. CT is stronger than it was in 2009, and telling yourself otherwise is deluding yourself. --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
4
ways are weird, and I am taking my excuse and running. The two times we
have seen Chrono Trigger 1 on 1 it has butchered whatever it has faced
or beaten elite games (LttP and SMB3 in their cases) so yeah. Like 2
years ago Crono lost to a god damn rodent and we think he's super
boosted? No, Chrono Trigger the game was always this strong and it was
just a weird 4 way result. --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
Using
'fourways' as an excuse is about the same as using 'threeways' as an
excuse, so taking Pikachu > Crono (> Magus) as credulous and not
Mario 64 > Chrono Trigger is illogically selective. Crono hasn't had a true 1v1 xstat value since 2006. Mario hasn't had one since 2005. Saying Mario wins that match with any kind of certainty is silly. --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
Okay fine. Crono lost to a Pokemon glitch. I can do this all day, KH! Crono has only beaten Mario once. This is the crap I'm talking about. This is the same crap why FFX for some ungodly, dumb reason was the favorite over CT this contest. This is the same reason why people had Samus > Mario. I'm bad at these contests, self-admitted, but good grief the "logic" that people can be convinced of is silly. I would literally bet my account on Mario > Crono. --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif (edited 11/30/2015 12:51:39 PM)report |
Nanis23 posted... Let's make a prediction game : when will Undertale take the lead?! 13h13 (edited 11/30/2015 12:56:51 PM)report |
I
can't speak for anyone else but FFX > CT was a fanboy pick thorough
and through and I was flabbergasted it became the favorite. Also that glitch Crono lost to got 48% on Sephiroth two rounds later. I mean if you wanted to point out a match to point to Mario > Crono just use the bonus match from two years ago. --- Leonhart posting from his phone |
Achromatic posted... Okay fine. This conversation is very nostalgic to me, because you originally bet your account on my most hyped upset special, Snake/Mega Man 2006 <.< I had Mario > Samus and I've been very good at calling the Mario/Crono matches historically. In the same year that Crono lost to a Pokemon glitch, Mario let Charizard come within a few percent of an upset. You know, the same Charizard that lost to Mega Man while he was drowning with Zero in the poll. Mario has done virtually nothing notable since 2005. I see no reason to trust the guy - Crono lost to the rat in 2013? Mario lost to Vivi. Pikachu or Vivi, WHO YA GOT --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. (edited 11/30/2015 12:59:59 PM)report |
HaRRicH posted... I wanna say it was red sox who had the theory long ago that Mario goes up and down depending on when Nintendo goes up and down. If that theory is true, it would explain some of our results...not completely, but to some degree. I don't know who came up with it but I know I've said it several times myself. Nintendo has been on the downward trend for the last 5 years and Mario has suffered for it. Say what you want but there's no way he loses that match to Vivi 5 years ago. It's not a coincidence that Mario's weakest year was the year when Square was at its peak and that Mario benefited the most from the Nintendo Boost in 2005. He's tied at the hip to Nintendo. Link will be strongest no matter what. So Crono could conceivably best Mario if Nintendo's stock continues to drop. --- Leonhart posting from his phone |
Achromatic posted... LeonhartFone posted...I can't speak for anyone else but FFX > CT was a fanboy pick thorough and through and I was flabbergasted it became the favorite. I said if you're going to discount fourways on the basis of "lol fourways", it would be illogical to not hold threeways to that same standard. There's no reason to distort that simple point. --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
Is there any hope that Allen would do a bonus CT vs OoT match if Undertale wins a final? Or just as cool, if Undertale loses at some point, give it a bonus match against the eventual winner...assuming that it's a different game that wins. --- Every day the rest of your life is changed forever. |
If Undertale loses there's no way the rallies are coming back for a bonus match, it would be pointless --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
Julian_Caesar posted... Is there any hope that Allen would do a bonus CT vs OoT match if Undertale wins a final? I guess We did get a Link vs Snake last contest --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
Karma Hunter posted... Achromatic posted...LeonhartFone posted...I can't speak for anyone else but FFX > CT was a fanboy pick thorough and through and I was flabbergasted it became the favorite. I disagree though, and here's why: games and characters are different. We have a pretty established baseline for characters that we've seen over a lot of contests. Games we have '04 and '09. '09 produced a few weird results that so far have not panned out in this contest. Now we can either believe CT went from a top 3 game in '04 to not beating FFX in '09 to slaughtering it in 15 or we can believe 4 ways are a bit of a weird format. It doesn't have to be 'lol' but even something as small as say 5% in 4 ways is such a HUGE deal in our stats that it throws everything off. I 'lol' 4 ways because the margin of error grows so big in them with factors we just don't get. --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
Eh,
we've seen bigger shifts than that with games. Pokemon has gone from
outright fodder to an elite game on this site since 2004, and fourways
isn't the reason. Shifts happen. If you examine the dramatic ups and
downs our characters have taken over that same span of time, it becomes
very apparent that huge shifts up and down like that are hardly out of
the question for either characters or games. --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
Pokemon's
fodder status was always murky though because it lost to Xenogears who
promptly got dismissed by FFVII. Xenogears didn't do too shabby this
contest (I think Xenogears and TYD are going to be similar in x-stats or
something like that, and I don't think of TYD as fodder) so G/S/C was
probably weaker sure but I think we can all agree Pokemon as a whole had
a surge among gamers who kind of got over themselves and realized they
loved Pokemon. Also I'd like to know of another example of super strong,
a fall off and then super strong again. I don't know I am not saying 4 ways are a total joke but I think variance of the format is enough to skew things a bit. Basically I think CT has gotten stronger since 09, in that it would have 60-40'd FFX in 09. --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif (edited 11/30/2015 1:12:10 PM)report |
Oh,
I can agree with that. Fourways can throw things off, for sure, I never
denied that. I just don't think it would have been enough for it to
beat Mario 64 after it so thoroughly schooled it in the fourways. Too
much of a gap to make up, though I'd love to believe it. CT > FFX
60/40 sounds plausible in 2009, but just that increase alone applied
proportionally to Crono would be enough for him to beat Mario based on
the margin of their previous matches. Xenogears was definitely stronger than the SFF beating FF7 gave it showed in 2004, but it utterly embarrassed GSC - a 58/42 beatdown against a game that was very much favored to win that match. No matter how generous you give Xenogears' stats that year, it's not nearly enough to account for the ridiculous boost it's had since then. And of course, there's direct comparisons of Pikachu in 2002/2003 to the power he's accumulated since then. 20% on Cloud and 31% on Fox compared to 45% on Solid Snake, man. As for examples of Strong > Weaker > Strong again there's Snake 2k3 > Snake 2k4 > Snake 2k5 (two direct matches with MM and one with Mario show a very drastic drop in 2004 before he recovers in 2005). Ryu did much worse on Bowser in 2005 than he did on Snake in 2003, Sonic in 2004, or Mega Man in 2006. Zero had a pretty embarrassing result in 2006 before redeeming himself in 2010. I'm sure that it happens more often than that, but I think the illustration is clear enough. Nothing is ever set in stone. --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. (edited 11/30/2015 1:24:53 PM)report |
Though
as much as fourways is (at least somewhat justifiably) ridiculed, we do
have some evidence of it having accuracy when translated to 1v1. The
fourway showdown between FF7 and OoT in 2009 yielded almost the exact same result as their 1v1 match one day later. --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
"lol
4-ways" is as poor an excuse as "lol x-stats" to me. There's plenty of
4-way results that have held up perfectly fine, you can have to take
them on a case-by-case scenario. As for Crono and Chrono Trigger, they simply have not looked good for the better part of a decade - up until this very year. I think it's revisionist history to say anything else. I would still take 2009 FFX over 2009 CT, easy. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. (edited 11/30/2015 1:28:53 PM)report |
LeonhartFone posted... ZeldaTPLink posted...Still think the Undertale matches have been among the most fun in this contest. Yet, the first 16 hours of that match were the most interesting of round 2. Because we didn't know whether the rally would get strong enough to win. Same thing for the round 1 match. I'm fine with having a dead topic for a while if that's the price of being entertained for most of the day. |
Much better than last night for FF7. Looks like it can still do the rise to heaven trick vs. Nintendo. Still, 65% against a Wii U game makes it appear pretty vulnerable to CT. Don't know if FF6 is underperforming or if MM scored SFF vs WW, or if WW boosted in five years time. AxemRedRanger posted... TheCodeisBosco posted...I really wish Smash 64 would make a bracket sometime. I'd love to see how strong it is. Pretty sure it would enough for it to be pretty strong. Say, at least 30% on FF7 here. Back when the Smash series was only two games and hype it put up a scary show on Mario. Even without Brawl hype I suspect it would have done pretty good. Smash 64 may be weaker than in the past, but the GameFAQs A-list series don't really lose too much strength over time. Smash 64 was probably quite strong once, which indicates it would likely be strong still. In the contest where it missed the field people took that to indicate weakness. Well, Brawl missed this time and it's likely still close to Melee IMO (even if it's now below Melee). --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Speaking
of revisionist history: "All the Undertale matches have been obvious
and boring" is a gigantic one and is basically people doing their
damndest not to enjoy the current situation Undertale / Mass Effect 3 was a 51-49 match that ended up with a lead change in the final hour and ate up like 5 discussion topics worth of posts, and while Undertale / Fallout 3 might have been less exciting/close it still involved a big lead change and the potential for either one to win. How many debated matches this contest have actually had a lead change? --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
SC vs Mass Effect 2? --- Why do we exist?What happens when we stop existing? |
Xenoblade/DKC2? |
KamikazePotato posted... Speaking of revisionist history: "All the Undertale matches have been obvious and boring" is a gigantic one and is basically people doing their damndest not to enjoy the current situation Exactly. In a world where trends don't exist, big rallies are our way of getting exciting matches. It also helps that Undertale is considerable weaker than Draven so it doesn't crush its opponents. Every match has been a struggle until now, and I believe the next ones will still be. |
KamikazePotato posted... Speaking of revisionist history: "All the Undertale matches have been obvious and boring" is a gigantic one and is basically people doing their damndest not to enjoy the current situation I think Draven soured people on any rally, moreso if it's actually effective --- Anime List: http://myanimelist.net/profile/superange VG List: http://myvideogamelist.com/profile/superange128 Visual Novels: https://vndb.org/u6633/votes |
KamikazePotato posted... people doing their damndest not to enjoy the current situation Man enjoy it all you want but you really must have a hard time understanding how other people think. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
Nintendo's GOAT day vote. |
ZeldaTPLink posted... LeonhartFone posted...ZeldaTPLink posted...Still think the Undertale matches have been among the most fun in this contest. It's also worth taking into account that the topic "died" but there were like 50 other active threads of people discussing/complaining about Undertale, so it's not like the board died, quite the contrary. Anyway, instead of crying about it you guys could try to organize a rally yourselves. Pick up a few posts of people trolling gamefaqs and make a sob story out of it or something. Get notorious Nintendo fans to retweet or help in some manner, maybe even get NOA's twitter account to say something about it (though I doubt that's within the realm of possibility) Put up a picture of Mario smiling and happy go lucky and a picture of Flowey making his f***face and write something like "Would you vote for your childhood hero... or a bully?", "Mario saved the videogame industry when it needed it the most, now will you let him down when he needs you the most?" lol Or if you think Mario is impossible to rally then wait for Pokemon or FF7/CT |
pjbasis posted... KamikazePotato posted...people doing their damndest not to enjoy the current situation I understand exactly how people think That doesn't change people outright lying about the situation a lot of the time, not to mention people complaining about one rally and then going around and rallying for everything under the sun. There's been so much b****ing on this board that it's actually difficult for someone who loves Undertale to even enjoy the results at all. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Lynx_7 posted...
I don't like rallies. I don't care if it's a game I like or hate getting rallied. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
KamikazePotato posted...
Man, how can you be so arrogant. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
