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"F*** Draven." -SBAllen
Zelda and smash fans UNITE

Let go go go go. Rally time!
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Ya know I voted for WW because I haven't played FF6 yet

But I'd probably vote FF6 if I play it

I will play FF6 soon but I've been telling myself that on and off for the last four years lol (I actually set aside time to play it four years ago and bought a Wii Points Card to download it on the VC but I ended up scratching off the code, so I just played something else)
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Zelda rally is imminent. watch out.
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There's always a rally 'imminent' with you, isn't there?
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MechanicalWall posted...
There's always a rally 'imminent' with you, isn't there?


Well if im rallying then yes. Of course. An imminent rally might be worth only 400 votes but still.
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I wish there was a good way to gauge the impact of two FF games in the poll
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xyzzy
Do you think if the Smash picture had Cloud in it, it would get more votes from confused Cloud fans?
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Looks like my 2nd favorite game is leaving the contest on a high note. Good job.
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Seems FF 6 will win with around 53% and FF 7 will win with around 63%. Based on that who wins between them?
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I don't see FFVII dropping 3% unless Smash 4 gets rallied

either way I am confident FFVII beats FFVI. I had some doubts pre contest but so far FFVII has been more impressive.
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I kind of want to say that today's result makes it less likely that Twilight Princess will upset Mario 64 since I'm more certain of Mario 64 > FFVI than TP > WW (yes I know all our previous contest data suggests the latter, but then again WW is currently making FFVI look weaker than MM...).

Also imagine what would happen if we saw Halo struggle/fail to double Planescape: Torment.

LOL Final Fantasy.

Just another thing to ask, the only Noble Niners who really seemed like they haven't dropped last contest were Snake and Mega Man, but now that MGSV is out and has been so controversial while SSB4 is now out and thus the hype is over, could even those two be much weaker?
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Ff7 will finish with at least 65..
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So it is possible to see in division finals FF VS FF, Zelda VS Zelda and MGS VS MGS? I know only 1 of these happens for sure but the others can happen too right?
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Safer_777 posted...
So it is possible to see in division finals FF VS FF, Zelda VS Zelda and MGS VS MGS? I know only 1 of these happens for sure but the others can happen too right?


Pretty sure they have all been board consensus since the start.
I wish there was a good way to gauge the impact of two FF games in the poll

Using PM: TTYD FFVI should have gotten around 57%, but WW has had a HD release since then.
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BGE3: Today's Matches FFVI>LoZ:WW and FFVII>SMG
Points 115/136
I always thought the VI > VII train was crazy. Taking a weird, extremely low votal PotD over a decade of contest evidence seems ludicrous.
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It is ludicrous
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you guys and your contest history

anyone paying attention to contest history knows that FF7 is vulnerable. I mean, if we're just doing contest history then every pick other than FF7/OOT is crazy
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transience posted...
you guys and your contest history

anyone paying attention to contest history knows that FF7 is vulnerable. I mean, if we're just doing contest history then every pick other than FF7/OOT is crazy


But FF6 isn't looking that great either.
Both games look kinda bad there. And if they both dropped, FF7 should still be superior to FF6.
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transience posted...
every pick other than FF7/OOT is crazy




I mean, yes?
Yes Undertale save us from a fun RBY vs. Mario World match or a fun Mario World vs. Mario 64 match

We can't be having too much fun here. This was supposed to be worst character ever after all.
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Leonhart posting from his phone
Still think the Undertale matches have been among the most fun in this contest.
CT/FF7 is basically FFX vs. Smash 4. I don't want to hear that results can't change!
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xyzzy
The Undertale matches, Galaxy 2 vs Mass Effect and SC vs ME2 were basically the most interesting matches.
I guess you could add MGS3 vs Bioshock if you were laughing at MGS3 being pathetic and DQ vs P3 for first upset .
I am a little confused by Wind Waker today. Pre-contest, this is about what I would have expected. After all tbe SNES domination, though, I really expected FF6 to do a lot better.

LinkMarioSamus posted...
I kind of want to say that today's result makes it less likely that Twilight Princess will upset Mario 64 since I'm more certain of Mario 64 > FFVI than TP > WW (yes I know all our previous contest data suggests the latter, but then again WW is currently making FFVI look weaker than MM...)?


If anything, this makes TP look like MORE of a threat than less of a threat. If Wind Waker is legit, I have a hard time believing TP isnt just as legit. Especially when Tumblr gets thrown into the mix.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Still think the Undertale matches have been among the most fun in this contest.


This topic practically died once Undertale overtook Fallout 3 last round. It was a massive comeback and virtually every one in here stopped caring because we knew what it meant.

Same thing will happen tomorrow. We might not care from the outset because it's a foregone conclusion once the rally kicks in.
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Both FF games look fine here, I dont know what anyone is worrying about. Nintendo is always going to perform somewhat in matches like this so FF7 especially is looking really good. Is it looking good enough to beat CT? No but then nothing else has all contest. OoT putting 75% on Suikoden looks pretty crappy compared to 66% on Smash.
LeonhartFone posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Still think the Undertale matches have been among the most fun in this contest.


This topic practically died once Undertale overtook Fallout 3 last round. It was a massive comeback and virtually every one in here stopped caring because we knew what it meant.

Same thing will happen tomorrow.


I have a feeling Undertale is going to destroy everyone's expectations tomorrow. I think it will hit 60%+ and we can call the contest over.
Even if that happens, Pokemon is next. Everyone loves Pokemon.
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Safer_777 posted...
Even if that happens, Pokemon is next. Everyone loves Pokemon.


The sooner you accept it's over the better off you'll be
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I'm personally impressed by ff7s performance. Smash 4 is basically a Nintendo proxy, magnet for Nintendo fans to go against ff7, and ff7 is whooping it. Smash 4 killed planescape for the same reason.
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Safer_777 posted...
Even if that happens, Pokemon is next. Everyone loves Pokemon.


I can guarantee you that after all the whining tomorrow when SMW gets destroyed the next rallies will be more anti-gamefaqs than pro-undertale. And in that situation the rally will multiply enough to absorb some backlash.
Who knew ME3 for the Wii U would neuter the default Nintendo vote again Mass Effect
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Leon knows

probably not gonna bother checking this site for most of tomorrow, good luck to anyone who wants Mario to win
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"Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything."
Even if you enjoy the really, what exactly is it saving? We're not getting the most debated matches pre contest.

I mean, I hope SMW wins, but it won't happen. RBY has an outside shot of we rally well enough, but that seems unlikely too.
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LeonhartFone posted...
Who knew ME3 for the Wii U would neuter the default Nintendo vote again Mass Effect


What I'm saying is against weaksauce with low playrate it destroys (despite having a low playrate itself), against elite games it does well, but midtier it's close because people have actually played midtier games and might decide they like it more. And I'd say a good chunk of Smash 4's vote against ME last round was due to just the Smash name. People know they like other Smash games even if they haven't played the Wii-U one yet.
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You know, when Undertale was up against Fallout 3 and it looked over, I said in this topic that I want Undertale to make a comeback, to make the contest more interesting
But you know what? I take it back, I don't think it's making it more interesting
Sure it's nice to see how people react when Undertale is making a comeback, there is a massive flood of posts in the stats topic and many people are surprised, drama etc
Like when Draven had those 800 updates against X and Ryu and we all lost our s*** and so on

But..I wanted to see a legit SMB3-Pokemon, I want to see SMW-RBY (or SMB3-RBY) I want to see SMW-SM64-SMB3-RBY
I want to see Chrono Trigger - -OOT

Unless we are going to see a Link-Draven with Undertale-CT/OOT, I am not looking forward to Undertale matches
So it's going to get it's ass kicked, have a 15k disadvantage, then someone popular blog it and then it makes a comeback, yay
Or maybe it will be strong from the get go, yay..we have already seen this with Draven before, it's nothing new and not really exciting anymore

But something like OOT and CT going wire-to-wire? sign me up
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I am loving this absolute beating that FF6 put on WW overnight. This is turning into another impressive FF6 match
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Like if you don't think Smash Bros is a Nintendo/casual magnet regardless of which Smash game it is...

Click around on these polls. About 20% pre-ordering/bought it day one (and keep in mind people who are actually getting it are probably more inclined to participate in the vote vs people who don't care about the game at all), but it still gets 30+% of the vote for upcoming releases and GOTY votes.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll?search=smash
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Nanis23 posted...
You know, when Undertale was up against Fallout 3 and it looked over, I said in this topic that I want Undertale to make a comeback, to make the contest more interesting
But you know what? I take it back, I don't think it's making it more interesting
Sure it's nice to see how people react when Undertale is making a comeback, there is a massive flood of posts in the stats topic and many people are surprised, drama etc
Like when Draven had those 800 updates against X and Ryu and we all lost our s*** and so on

But..I wanted to see a legit SMB3-Pokemon, I want to see SMW-RBY (or SMB3-RBY) I want to see SMW-SM64-SMB3-RBY
I want to see Chrono Trigger - -OOT

Unless we are going to see a Link-Draven with Undertale-CT/OOT, I am not looking forward to Undertale matches
So it's going to get it's ass kicked, have a 15k disadvantage, then someone popular blog it and then it makes a comeback, yay
Or maybe it will be strong from the get go, yay..we have already seen this with Draven before, it's nothing new and not really exciting anymore

But something like OOT and CT going wire-to-wire? sign me up


I'm hoping tomorrow, the rally won't be much stronger than last time so that Undertale only finish the come back in the last hours and it stays in question whether it will do it or not.
And then I'm hoping for something super close against RBY where the rally starts earlier and they both stays close to 50/50 the entire time.

Of course, it's more probably that it's either a flop (tumblr forgot to rally, oops) or a crushing victory but Draven Link (and Snake Draven before lolmods) proved that rally matches can be interesting.
Averia posted...
Of course, it's more probably that it's either a flop (tumblr forgot to rally, oops) or a crushing victory but Draven Link (and Snake Draven before lolmods) proved that rally matches can be interesting.


If we end up with anything near as good as Draven/Link then I am fine with whatever matches Undertale ruined
That match was godlike, I was sitting in front of the computer checking every single update for hours
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I really wish Smash 64 would make a bracket sometime. I'd love to see how strong it is.

I can only assume Brawl has dropped a fair amount at this point, so 64 could very well be the second-strongest Smash and a legitimately fearsome opponent.
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Whoever did the FFVII pic - nice work on getting Rude with a standout spot!
Man, I thought that WW would do something with the day vote, but it's done basically nothing other than mildly stem the bleeding. Guess I can't blame it for AntiTrendsFAQs, but still pretty strange to see. The Power Hour has become so bloated and full with spillover into later hours that even a game like FFVI can do the classic rising all day... against a Zelda. Wow.
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Can't even outdo MM's percentage on WW

Flop
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Oh, no doubt FF6 is a flop relative to expectations (pretty sure it's screwed against FF7 for sure now), but as of last night it looked like WW would outright win the match if it turned the typical Zelda day vote on it. <.<
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TheCodeisBosco posted...
I really wish Smash 64 would make a bracket sometime. I'd love to see how strong it is.

I can only assume Brawl has dropped a fair amount at this point, so 64 could very well be the second-strongest Smash and a legitimately fearsome opponent.

I really, really doubt that. Smash 64 was pretty much entirely replaced by Melee as soon as the latter game came out, it wasn't the "latest Smash" for anywhere near as long as Melee was, and it doesn't have Melee's hardcore fanbase. The comparative lack of content is also kind of glaring - Mario Kart would probably be about as fun with 4 characters to choose from as with dozens but Smash can't really do that.

Smash games from Melee onwards were a phenomenon. Smash 64 was a pretty good multiplayer game at the time that let us have all these Nintendo characters fight but that's all it was. Maybe that would be enough for it to have a lot of strength on gamefaqs (Mario Kart 64 suggests it might be) but I see it as easily being the bottom of its series.
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