_SecretSquirrel posted...
I never thought Crono and co. looked that bad in the last few character battles. I thought they all got really bad draws in matches.


Magus has been an abomination, if nothing else.

Crono did get an unfortunate draw. It's almost kind of shameful that Allen set up CBIX as a weird "Noble Nine" tribute and then sabotaged a couple of them with bad draws.

Of course, stuff like Squirtle > Cloud couldn't have been foreseen, but still.
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LeonhartFour posted...
Characters =/= Games and all that jazz

It's like how FFVII has been killing it so far and its characters have been dropping off, too.


remember "of course Awakening is stronger than Xenoblade, look at how the characters did"?

oops


Did people actually say this? Xenoblade and FE Awakening characters were all fodder.
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LeonhartFour posted...
Of course, stuff like Squirtle > Cloud couldn't have been foreseen, but still.


Called it. =)
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It actually was said, yeah.

Awakening at least had characters that were strong enough to win a match. Xenoblade's characters were pretty bad fodder.
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I mean foreseen by Allen.

He actually did have Pikachu > Crono in his bracket, if I recall.
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Ugh looks like CT is going to kill me in the guru next round
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LeonhartFour posted...
It actually was said, yeah.

Awakening at least had characters that were strong enough to win a match. Xenoblade's characters were pretty bad fodder.


I don't remember the stats off hand, but would it be unreasonable to think Shulk could beat Tiny Tina and Juliet Starling?
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raytan: Champ without picking the champ
So guys... with all this SNES domination, what...

what if...

Final Fantasy VI actually IS stronger than Final Fantasy VII...

What if that one poll wasnt actually a fluke?!??
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Can't see how he wouldn't now with Smash 4 out.
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Can't see how he wouldn't now with Smash 4 out.


Well yeah, he SHOULD win now, but I meant in 2013, which is when people apparently concluded FE Awakening characters were stronger because Tharja won a three pack of suck.
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swirIdude posted...
I don't remember the stats off hand, but would it be unreasonable to think Shulk could beat Tiny Tina and Juliet Starling?


It's possible, I suppose, but he did get beaten pretty handily by Altair and Ratchet.
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so uh

rank the FF games I guess

FFIV
FFVIII
FFX
FFXII
FFT

All have been eliminated by 65/35ish margins except for FFXII, which was 70/30.
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7>6>10>4>8>9>T>12 is what I would guess.
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7>6>10>9>8>T>4>12 on GameFAQs.
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Shulk got 34% on Altair, Tharja got 31% on Shepard in the match where the latter beat Aeris. Based on that, Tharja having been stronger seems obvious.

And most of the evidence for a supposed Chrono Trigger decline after 2007 consists of losses to Pokemon, jokes, or Pokemon jokes, none of which qualify as meaningfully bad performances. Frog actually looked pretty good in 2013! Even for Magus, while he hasn't done well, I think he had already pretty much hit rock bottom with this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2874-division-3-round-1-bomberman-crash-phoenix-magus

Meanwhile, Kefka was crazy and him boosting through the roof while CT was allegedly in terminal decline made no sense unless the latter part wasn't true.
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7>6>10>8>9>T>4>12

You might be able to swap Tactics and IV, but XII is clearly the weakest.

8>9 is touchy, but I think VIII has a lot of the appeal of VII, which IX just doesn't have.
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VII > VI > X > IX > VIII = IV > T > XII sounds about right.
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Not sure if red is around, but I saw in the last topic (haven't read much since last night) he said this:

Also, remember when I estimated LTTP to get 58% on FFX and a bunch of people yelled at me saying it was way too high? Well, it seems even that 42% still overshot FFX!

Red, when was this? What was your logic for 58%?
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And I wonder what's wrong with Melee.

CT might score even higher next round.
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I guess, instead of ranking 4/8/9/10/12, we could just rank these games that pulled more or less a 65/35:

Majora's Mask
Chrono Trigger
Super Mario World
Link to the Past
Ocarina of Time (still need to see this result, but S2 suggests a 65/35 or so)
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transience posted...
I guess, instead of ranking 4/8/9/10/12, we could just rank these games that pulled more or less a 65/35:

Majora's Mask
Chrono Trigger
Super Mario World
Link to the Past
Ocarina of Time (still need to see this result, but S2 suggests a 65/35 or so)


OoT > CT > ALttP > MM > SMW

You could possibly switch around Majora's Mask and Super Mario World but that's probably how it is.
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I think you'd be hard-pressed to disagree that 65% on FFX is more impressive than 65% on FFIV or FFVIII.
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The issue I have with the Vita remake hurting FFX so much is thinking so many people played the Vita. Is it available for the PS3/4 too? Maybe then...

...but still, if remakes could hurt the original so much, I would expect this of other games too. SM64DS comes to mind, surely some more remakes and ports have disappointed. FFX's situation is a remake of a Sony game ~13 years after its release that stayed with Sony. Anything disappointing that's similar to that?
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it's on ps3/ps4/vita, yeah.

I don't actually think that's why FFX is sucking. I believe that FFX has been overrated from day 1 and has just been behind excuses forever.
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HaRRicH posted...
The issue I have with the Vita remake hurting FFX so much is thinking so many people played the Vita. Is it available for the PS3/4 too? Maybe then...


Yes. It's on the PS3, PS4, Vita, and maybe Steam? Not sure about that last one. But as for the idea, it actually happened for me! Playing FF10 HD knocked it down a few notches in my book. Just couldn't actually get into the game so many years later, so it doesn't seem too farfetched that other people had the same experience.
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transience posted...
I guess, instead of ranking 4/8/9/10/12, we could just rank these games that pulled more or less a 65/35:

Majora's Mask
Chrono Trigger
Super Mario World
Link to the Past
Ocarina of Time (still need to see this result, but S2 suggests a 65/35 or so)


Well, the idea of ranking those games was to sort of indirectly rank those games.

Although I was including SM64 instead of OoT because we haven't seen OoT/FFIX yet!
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oh yeah, Mario 64 for FFT as well

...that seems like a really bad measure. I believe in LTTP but I can't see 4 beating 8/9/10.
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It's not on Steam. That game has stuck with Sony through and through.

And if people want to make the argument that these remakes and remasters don't benefit a game, I can't possibly imagine it hurting one that badly, to the point that it gets doubled in what was originally a debated match.
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pjbasis posted...

For real. The percent of people playing Wind Waker for the first time on Wii U and voting it iss way too small to make a difference in these things.


I don't think the idea here is getting first timers. It would be more like changing people's view on the game. So someone who maybe liked WW, or maybe thought it was just okay, plays WWHD and comes away more positive about the game. Not saying it's necessarily what happened, but anyone mentioning it probably means that, and not that anyone was playing it for the first time.
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Well, the Mario World/FFVIII match is a tainted result regardless of how you look at it. Mario World probably gets 64%~ if the rally doesn't kick into overdrive, but the rally was there the whole time so we don't really know what FFVIII would get otherwise. Could've netted another couple percent.
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So aside from Draven killing MMX, this is the worst defeat a guru favorite has ever suffered, right? I mean FFX is getting beaten even worse than Groose. Only thing I can think of is if Wesker was somehow the favorite over Kefka but Ngamer's site doesn't list guru stuff that far back.
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Almost an hour until the board is filled with "Final Fantasy always wins".

Even though it didn't win today.
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not a guru favourite, but still, never forget
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transience posted...
http://thengamer.com/guru/GOTD/stats.php?match=22

not a guru favourite, but still, never forget


I regret nothing.
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transience posted...
http://thengamer.com/guru/GOTD/stats.php?match=22

not a guru favourite, but still, never forget

Why was that a debatable match again?
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Because this board has more wrestling fans than you might imagine.
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Because we all thought 'Wrestling fans will vote for No Mercy!' I think. Combined with thinking FE was trash.
transience posted...
it's on ps3/ps4/vita, yeah.

I don't actually think that's why FFX is sucking. I believe that FFX has been overrated from day 1 and has just been behind excuses forever.

Yeah, this is pretty silly IMO.

FFX has been probably among the more accurately rated entrants we've had. Maybe it dropped, though I don't see what's so hard to accept about CT being beastly.

I think GOTD stats indicate CT to get 67.5% on MM based on R&C, and 64% on DQ8. It got about the average of that on FFX.

Basically Melee is screwed. Otherwise FFX dropped. It being overrated in the past makes literally zero sense.
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Melee is boned either way unless you think KH2 beasts on FFX now.

And if you think FFX still beats KH2, CT is gonna put up mid-60s on Melee, too.
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LeonhartFour posted...
Melee is boned either way unless you think KH2 beasts on FFX now.

And if you think FFX still beats KH2, CT is gonna put up mid-60s on Melee, too.

By screwed I meant it's getting wreckt. Obviously it has no chance of actually winning, barring some miracle rally.

If it breaks 40's that's a big moral victory. Sadly that would make FFX look terrible. But Melee may well score even lower than FFX.

We always knew this place was about the old games, but it sure looks like we overestimated the GOTD games as a whole. 4-ways are hard to read.
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so if Melee gets 45%, is it just an FFX drop?
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creativename posted...
but it sure looks like we overestimated the GOTD games as a whole. 4-ways are hard to read.


GotD wasn't a 4-Way contest, though. Are you thinking of the 2009 Best. Game. Ever. contest?
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well then, FFVI is probably gonna blow up Wind Waker

...but if Wind Waker won, would we reevaluate CT/Melee?
transience posted...
so if Melee gets 45%, is it just an FFX drop?


Either that or you can go the CT/FFX SFF route.

That result would suggest KH2 gets 57.11% on FFX and Melee gets 61.62%
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UberPyro64 posted...
idk if this has been posted yet but someone on Tumblr made this with all the games in the contest.

http://slimedrippings.tumblr.com/gamefaqssort

And now it's spreading all over the internet.

https://twitter.com/TronKnotts

http://www.destructoid.com/kill-your-darlings-create-a-definitive-list-of-your-favorite-games-323269.phtml

http://www.polygon.com/2015/11/27/9807676/favorite-games-of-all-time-tool-rating-gamefaqs-best-game-ever


I had a great laugh at this paragraph from the Polygon article.

It's also worth noting that there are some issues with GameFAQ's base list. For example, it seems to have a strong preference for Japanese roleplaying games and (oddly enough) visual novels when compared to PC RPGs. The older the game, the less likely to be on the list — even obvious classics like the original The Legend of Zelda and Super Mario Bros. are nowhere to be found.
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well tbh it's quite true
What f***ing visual novels? Is he talking about Phoenix Wright? So an entire two games, then. And from the same series, no less.
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