GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1224
I think it's ludicrous to suggest there is zero SFF between two RPGs that obviously have a lot of cross-fandom. It would not surprise me if FFX has fallen off and Chrono Trigger has stayed more constant in fans eyes over the years. And then the SFF exacerbates it. We can't compare results and heirarchy from 6+ years ago. I'm just saying let's not call SSBM's demise yet. CT looks good today and is the clear favourite, but it's still faced fodder and then two games in a row with a similar fanbase. Anything can happen. We didn't think Skyrim would 60-40 Goldeneye either based on its previous performance. Or that Bioshock would come within striking distance of MGS3 despite struggling to Silent Hill 2. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
DaruniaTheGoron posted... I think it's ludicrous to suggest there is zero SFF between two RPGs that obviously have a lot of cross-fandom. the overlap has to be disproportionate of course there's a lot of overlap but that doesn't mean it favors CT to a disproportionate extent. FFVII and CT have faced each other multiple times with little observable effect. Melee only has a chance if you think this match should actually be within 55/45 but CT has somehow pushed it out to a doubling, which would be a huge amount of SFF. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif (edited 11/29/2015 11:01:01 AM)report |
It
makes me laugh that there's still people that post regularly in this
topic that still don't understand the fundamentals of SFF 12 years after
the term was coined. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy -trancer1 lol xstats |
I Love melee but at this point I only care about taking down undertale. |
Wow hold the phone this was never about melee having a chance, it's getting its ass whooped next round. --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... It makes me laugh that there's still people that post regularly in this topic that still don't understand the fundamentals of SFF 12 years after the term was coined. Well maybe people are confusing Same fanbase Factor with similar Fanbase factor? |
Well, I guess Melee has a chance if you think KH2 wallops FFX, too. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Melee has a chance if you rely on massive rallies we saw how that worked for Witcher 3 though --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
And
to add my two cents, I think this CT/FFX result is a combination of old
games rising, and FFX fans finally realizing that the game sucks. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy -trancer1 lol xstats |
AxemRedRanger posted... If it's acceptable for Metal Gear Solid to get 60% on Earthbound without anyone even really calling it out for that performance, it probably should be okay for Ocarina to get 77% on Suikoden II. To be fair, people have been calling for the MGS deboost since round 1, so that match didn't help it in anyone's eyes. Still, I would say most of the legwork there was being done by the RPGs. Both of those games got re-released again for very cheap and suddenly became very accessible after years of being impossible except through emulation. More importantly than that, though, they have dat 90s RPG intangible going for them! I mean literally watching CT double FF10! --- satoru iwata |
ZFS posted... Nanis23 posted... I don't think there's a problem with Suikoden II having boosted, per se. But we'd have definitely seen that from its stronger PS1 RPG counterpart, Xenogears. Xenogears was always a bigger deal, put up a much better number in the aftermath of being SFFed by FF7, and yet lost to KOTOR pretty easily which then got doubled by Wind Waker. If we set Xenogears = Suikoden II - which I'd do charitably because, again, Xenogears has every reason to be ahead of Suikoden II - Wind Waker puts 34% on Ocarina of Time indirectly. Remember, we're talking about a game that's only worth 43% on Majora's Mask in GOTD. If you're arguing that OoT hasn't fallen, you're much better off I think just completely writing off Suikoden II as an overperformance and never giving the game another thought. But I'd like to do that with SSBM and KH2, which... you're not even at 55% anymore Melee stupid sonofa f***ing joke game --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
AxemRedRanger posted... If it's acceptable for Metal Gear Solid to get 60% on Earthbound without anyone even really calling it out for that performance, it probably should be okay for Ocarina to get 77% on Suikoden II. Uh even I called it out for that that's the same thing Neither of those performances are okay for either game relative to expected strength! --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
at least KH2 is managing to give me something to smile about today if it weren't for that rally it'd be winning book it --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Janus5k posted... Melee has a chance if you rely on massive rallies compare the withcer 3 fanbase to Smash and then look at which site this is. Yeah a smash rally is far more likely to work. And KH does beat FFX(comfortably) but smash is still a decent amount below Chrono. It will need a rally but i don't want that to happen. Undertale must go down and we need Chrono in fine form. My only concern is his european vote is garbage. |
compare the Undertale fanbase to Smash and then look at which site this is --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Karma Hunter posted... ZFS posted...Nanis23 posted... If OoT wins this contest(not including undertale rally) it's not going to matter. |
So
since we're getting close to the match, why in the hell did everyone
pick Mario 64 over TP when TP beat it in the x-stats in '09, lost to a
game in GotD that beat both Mario and TP in x-stats in 09 by less than
projected, and its Zelda vs Mario on GameFAQs. I'm not even saying its wrong (I have TP in my bracket though) but that pick is near consensus. What did I miss? --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... compare the Undertale fanbase to Smash and then look at which site this is Smash will outrally tumblr. And im planning on rallying for chrono against ffvii --- http://k09.kn3.net/1256263BF.gif (edited 11/29/2015 11:17:39 AM)report |
Twilight Princess getting older and/or lol x-stats. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
Everyone hates TP and thinks it's weak because of it. Yuri_LowelI posted... Smash will outrally tumblr. how'd that Fallout 3 rally work out for you --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Achromatic posted... So since we're getting close to the match, why in the hell did everyone pick Mario 64 over TP when TP beat it in the x-stats in '09, lost to a game in GotD that beat both Mario and TP in x-stats in 09 by less than projected, and its Zelda vs Mario on GameFAQs. Super Mario 64 beat Chrono Trigger in the last contest we saw it in. --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
Achromatic posted... So since we're getting close to the match, why in the hell did everyone pick Mario 64 over TP when TP beat it in the x-stats in '09, lost to a game in GotD that beat both Mario and TP in x-stats in 09 by less than projected, and its Zelda vs Mario on GameFAQs. old > new |
Karma Hunter posted... ZFS posted...Nanis23 posted... Considering how much better Wind Waker's reputation is now that sounds right. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
Also yes TP is a joke game maybe not as joke as Mario this year though lol we'll see --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. |
Karma Hunter posted... Achromatic posted...So since we're getting close to the match, why in the hell did everyone pick Mario 64 over TP when TP beat it in the x-stats in '09, lost to a game in GotD that beat both Mario and TP in x-stats in 09 by less than projected, and its Zelda vs Mario on GameFAQs. Hasn't Crono looked miserable in non 1-1 formats for awhile now though. --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
Achromatic posted... So since we're getting close to the match, why in the hell did everyone pick Mario 64 over TP when TP beat it in the x-stats in '09, lost to a game in GotD that beat both Mario and TP in x-stats in 09 by less than projected, and its Zelda vs Mario on GameFAQs. Did you see mario 64 in 09? It was godly. Tp isnt that strong. 4th strongest zelda probbaly 5th Zelda vs Mario has no effect here. See super metroid vs galaxy. Plus nostalgia plus n64 --- http://k09.kn3.net/1256263BF.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... Everyone hates TP and thinks it's weak because of it. You live to rally another day. --- http://k09.kn3.net/1256263BF.gif |
Achromatic posted... Hasn't Crono looked miserable in non 1-1 formats for awhile now though. he lost to Missingno 1-on-1 --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Achromatic posted... So since we're getting close to the match, why in the hell did everyone pick Mario 64 over TP when TP beat it in the x-stats in '09, lost to a game in GotD that beat both Mario and TP in x-stats in 09 by less than projected, and its Zelda vs Mario on GameFAQs. "It's Zelda vs. Mario on GameFAQs" Would you pick Skyward Sword over Super Mario 3 then? --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
We
can only work with the information that we have on Super Mario 64, and
that's 100% fourways. Its sole 1v1 win is against NiGHTS in 2004 before
running into the OoT buzzsaw. e: Also, it overperformed ridiculously in 2009. Going by contest results alone, SM64 should be the preposterously huge favorite, but fourways is a sticking point. --- Welcome to the League of Stickies. (edited 11/29/2015 11:22:40 AM)report |
SM64 went equal with LttP so it's hard to argue TP over it. Maybe SNES LFF by FFVI. Regardless SM64 is rightfully the favourite given pre-contest expectations. --- BGE3: Today's Matches Final Fantasy X > Chrono Trigger, Super Smash Bros. Melee > Kingdom Hearts II Points 111/120 |
See
this confuses me. I love lol xstats as much as the next guy, but it
seems to me we're ignoring TP's performance because, well, lol xstats
while going "mario 64 did so well!' The fact is I think TP is getting
disrespected because it made its hay vs newer games while Mario did it
vs older games, even though when those two things clashed and we ran the
numbers it made TP look just as good. I don't know when Mario 64 beats the hell out of TP I'll just look dumb, not like I did a lot of epic research for my bracket or anything (I knew nothing about those xstats when I made that pick, it just looked right) I was just surprised by the consensus. --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
I don't expect SM64 to be much stronger than TP unless the whole SNES > everything was true back in 2009. --- BGE3: Today's Matches Final Fantasy X > Chrono Trigger, Super Smash Bros. Melee > Kingdom Hearts II Points 111/120 |
Mario 64 might blow the doors off of TP, but I don't really expect that to happen. Somehow TP has become the one Zelda that's underrated on this site. People were calling for friggin' Wind Waker to beat FFVI and TP has no chance against Mario 64 somehow. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Hey hey I have both Wind Waker AND TP winning this round, my Zelda fear is consistent and ever present. But then I had Skyrim beating TP. ... Because I am a Skyrim fanboy, admittedly. Bias hooo --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
Mario 64's result against FFT was very underwhelming, at least. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
LeonhartFour posted... compare the Undertale fanbase to Smash and then look at which site this is I know you're upset both FF8 and FFX got doubled but get over it. I'm saying that this site is heavily nintendo centric. Which means larger smash sites will be easier to get to and rally. Noone |
LeonhartFour posted... DaruniaTheGoron posted...I think it's ludicrous to suggest there is zero SFF between two RPGs that obviously have a lot of cross-fandom. I'm of the opinion that games like CT and FF7 resist SFF themselves. FF7 and Chrono Trigger don't have a heirarchy problem. There is probably a nearly equal split of people who like CT and people who like FF7 among that fanbase. It's when they face games below that hierarchy that SFF becomes more apparent. FFX has looked weak all contest. It's clearly lost a step. You have your thoughts and I have mine. We'll see what happens in a week. SSBM probably loses but I don't think it'll be that bad. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
LeonhartFour posted... Mario 64 might blow the doors off of TP, but I don't really expect that to happen. Probably the massive Nintendo overlap Super Metoid 60-40ing Galaxy should have never happened. But it did. Super f***ing Metroid. |
Januzaj_Dragon posted... I know you're upset both FF8 and FFX got doubled but get over it. spoilers I don't actually get "upset" at contest results anymore so don't try to act like it's "biasing" my decisions here everyone acts like rallying is so easy if it were as easy as everyone says we'd see huge vote totals and rallies every match --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
It's weird that people are going FFX HAS LOST A STEP or CT IS SFFING IT while KH2 is putting up 45% on Melee --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Twilight Princess is gonna surprise some people. --- satoru iwata |
Also I'd say if Wind Waker can beat FFVI (btw I regret this decision I am not going to lie) then Mario is probably doomed. --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
If Wind Waker even gets close
to FFVI with the way these SNES JRPGs have been dominating, ZeldaFEAR
is a real thing and Zelda games just can't be blown out by non-Zelda
games. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
ZFS posted... Twilight Princess is gonna surprise some people. Yeah it might hit 40% on Mario. Sorry dude but TP isn't beating Mario 64. Are you telling me it would beat Majora now as well? Cmon. |
TP would probably score in the low 40s |
Let's just go ahead and throw this out there: How do people think FFX/KH2 goes? If you think FFX wins, then either FFX hasn't dropped that much OR Melee has also dropped off quite a bit because that means it's still close to FFX. Either way, Melee is boned next round. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
KH Vs FFIX round 2, Leon? --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
I
think it's just Chrono Trigger is randomly stronger with the lower
votals. More of the people who would've voted for CT over whatever
stayed on Gamefaqs while others left for Reddit, Tumblr, Facebook, etc. --- Whatever... |
Achromatic posted... KH Vs FFIX round 2, Leon? That's what I would assume. However, if FFX has fallen below FFIX or something, then KH2 should win pretty cleanly because there's no reason to believe KH2 has fallen behind KH1 based on their performances. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
