KH2 has been a beast all contest, while its predecessor loses in Round 1. Fantastic!

Judging by their horrible nomination support and showings on THE LIST it seems that Kingdom Hearts in general is just something that much of the site can get behind but not really something that many would call one of their favorite games.
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FF is ahead of KH

I think KH is stronger than FF9, but not head to head.
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CT isn't that strong, it's just that every single other game in the bracket is weak.
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thinking about it more, Crono/Auron had no noticeable SFF. you'd think it would if FFX/CT did.
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Pretty much, if you want to argue 1-2%, then fine, but if you think this is around Mario/Samus level then you need to look back at your contest history.
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BGE3: Today's Matches Final Fantasy X > Chrono Trigger, Super Smash Bros. Melee > Kingdom Hearts II
Points 111/120
I don't know how much contest history would hold up anyway in 2015. We're talking about a time where "New Square" included games from a console that was still technically active when the contests were running. New Square ain't so new anymore.

Not that I'd claim there definitely is SFF or anything but the perspective of 23 year old users looking at a current PS2 game and a SNES game may not necessarily be the same as a user who's nearly 30 now and both are things of the past.
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yeah I'm open to it. I just don't like calling it preemptively when we haven't seen something like that before.
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Well if this isn't SFF then CT is going to 60-40 melee. I'm down for that.
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There is definitely sff imo. If CT 60-40s melee then I will concede I was wrong. But I don't think CT doubles ffx without some sff.
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Oh wow just looked at the map... things are most likely going to get even worse for FFX over the day.
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KH2 doing really well, I am at least happy about that. FFX is just embarrassing though ;/
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Safer_777 posted...
Yeah Americans always make bad decisions. And their love for Smash...I still don't get it.


Yeah, I don't get why it's not stronger either.
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There's nothing wrong with that.
Kingdom Hearts II breaks 45%. It's now past 11 AM, and so far KH is getting the better of Melee in this day vote.
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KH2 is doing really good. Without that rally, Melee seems tame.

Chrono Trigger is still a monster.
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KH2 went 50/50 with MGS4 during the day vote. either things changed or (more likely) that rally really mattered.

which is just frightening if true. not only if Melee weaker than we thought but FFX is also underrated and should have probably gone like 58/42 on MMX. which just makes CT look stronger.
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damn, we could've seen this super-powered Chrono Trigger make a run to win the whole con-

of course a rally for fodder ruins everything again
hey Leon I know you're probably asleep but I'd love to see those KH2 = FFX numbers again
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So what is up with Aladdin in the KH2 picture?
CobraWolf32 posted...
So what is up with Aladdin in the KH2 picture?


I noticed that too. Here you have all the game's leads... and then random Aladdin. Maybe the idea was that Aladdin could help take KHII over Melee. Hell, maybe he's the reason that game has 45% on Melee right now!
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I come at this from a pure Square perspective as I haven't played KH2 and think that series sucks, but when I saw that picture, I thought it would hurt because it's all Disney and no Square
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CT learned a new triple tech, holy crap. FFX deserves better than this!

We can't ignore that CT has had three big performances and both R&C:UYA and DQ8 predict similar results for it today, but then what do we make of HL and MMX? I thought they suggested FFX would underperform here, especially after seeing HL2 drop the ball against MP. Do those results line up similarly for FFX's performance here? Not sure how much of this is CT beasting or FFX dropping.


Either way, Melee better get its rally or its act together next round.
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It'd probably be disingenious to plaster Cloud, Sephiroth, and Squall in the pic, especially when they have their own games in the bracket; better to let the game stand on it's own merits. It's the only Disney-related game in the bracket, too (well, other than KotOR, I guess), so having Disney characters isn't a big deal.

Then again, I'm still hoping for a Cloud/Link pic for SSB4, so maybe I'm talking out of my ass.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Smash is pure, mindless, multiplayer fun.

There's nothing wrong with that.


I mean melee is great because you can play it mindlessly or you can learn its deep meta if you're into that. It is the perfect blend of casual and competitive multiplayer. Has a really low barrier to entry but ramps up the skill curve if you know the ins and outs.
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1337gamerpr0 posted...
damn, we could've seen this super-powered Chrono Trigger make a run to win the whole con-

of course a rally for fodder ruins everything again


This is seriously what annoys me the most about those rallies. CT looks like an absolute beast that could make it to the finals, but we will never know.
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No matter how much you rally CT fans you'll never beat the likes of OOT,Undertale and FF7 lol
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shane15 posted...
No matter how much you rally CT fans you'll never beat the likes of OOT,Undertale and FF7 lol


When CT is about to finish with 66% on FFX and you had OOT with 76% on Suikuden it's hard to believe OOT can actually beat CT, but we shall see

I honestly think that OOT match was the biggest underperformance in contest history, really
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shane15 posted...
No matter how much you rally CT fans you'll never beat the likes of OOT,Undertale and FF7 lol


Except, It's going to beat VII.
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what percent does Suikoden II need to put on FFX for OOT=CT?
32.96, I think.
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Man Melee fell a ton overnight.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
KH day vote still exists, apparently.
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Actually, let's do a fun game.

If Halo and FFX maintain their GOTD values, what does FFVII vs CT look like?
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Two things:

1. Melee should absolutely be doing better than this. Its first two rounds were in line with GotD stats, but it's underperforming by at least 4% here.
2. FINAL FANTASY IX IS A MONSTER
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Achromatic posted...
Actually, let's do a fun game.

If Halo and FFX maintain their GOTD values, what does FFVII vs CT look like?


FF7 wins with 56.5%.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Remember this?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5727-from-the-last-27-years-which-numbered-final-fantasy-title-is

FFIX was pretty close to FFX.

The List had FFX only being slightly above FFIX too! (ignore that FFT was only 1 vote below FFX!)
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The List had FFX only being slightly above FFIX too! (ignore that FFT was only 1 vote below FFX!)

Considering what SM64 got on FFT it makes sense

>_>
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BGE3: Today's Matches Final Fantasy X > Chrono Trigger, Super Smash Bros. Melee > Kingdom Hearts II
Points 111/120
UberPyro64 posted...
shane15 posted...
No matter how much you rally CT fans you'll never beat the likes of OOT,Undertale and FF7 lol


Except, It's going to beat VII.


Not going to happen.

Because FF6 is going to beat it first!
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11/29/2015 10:40:20 AM#390
UltimaterializerX posted...
The explanation here is not hard.

https://www.facebook.com/ChronoTriggerFans/

The best part of this is Nick outright asking people to stick around on GameFAQs. It's not just HEY VOTE CT AND NOTHING ELSE, the guy really wants the site to grow. Can't hate on that at all.


yeah it's convenient to say that but most people won't actually do that and he knows it

it's just to make himself feel better for at least "trying" to get people to stick around
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11/29/2015 10:47:33 AM#391
Achromatic posted...
Charmander I respect you but if you think no SFF is going on against Square's most powerful post PS1 game and its greatest SNES champion then <_<


it has never happened between FFVII and Chrono Trigger, at least not to any noticeable degree

stop assuming every result that seems too big is SFF
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KamikazePotato posted...

1. Melee should absolutely be doing better than this. Its first two rounds were in line with GotD stats, but it's underperforming by at least 4% here.


I mean there was a reason it did better last round
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LeonhartFour posted...
Achromatic posted...
Charmander I respect you but if you think no SFF is going on against Square's most powerful post PS1 game and its greatest SNES champion then <_<


it has never happened between FFVII and Chrono Trigger, at least not to any noticeable degree

stop assuming every result that seems too big is SFF


SFF is actually a very stupid term because every match has SFF :)
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Nanis23 posted...

I honestly think that OOT match was the biggest underperformance in contest history, really


I think you're highly underestimating Suikoden 2, which seems strange since everything that has happened in this contest would suggest Suikoden 2 is probably not nearly as bad as people want to think it is!
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11/29/2015 10:51:30 AM#396
man who knew KH2 would have such a high rally backfire rate against Melee

for the record, if FFX = KH2, CT wins with 61.22%

For SSBM > CT, KH2 has to be able to beat FFX by that same amount.

one of these is more likely than the other
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11/29/2015 10:52:33 AM#397
Achromatic posted...
SFF is actually a very stupid term because every match has SFF :)


it's actually only stupid because people misunderstand how it works

SFF only is a factor (key word, that's what the second F stands for, after all) if it disproportionately affects the outcome of the match
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If it's acceptable for Metal Gear Solid to get 60% on Earthbound without anyone even really calling it out for that performance, it probably should be okay for Ocarina to get 77% on Suikoden II.
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11/29/2015 10:54:45 AM#399
AxemRedRanger posted...
If it's acceptable for Metal Gear Solid to get 60% on Earthbound without anyone even really calling it out for that performance, it probably should be okay for Ocarina to get 77% on Suikoden II.


plenty of people laughed at MGS1 for only getting 60% there

but we half expected it to do that by the time the match rolled around
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ZFS posted...
KamikazePotato posted...

1. Melee should absolutely be doing better than this. Its first two rounds were in line with GotD stats, but it's underperforming by at least 4% here.


I mean there was a reason it did better last round


I took that into account when making that post! Unrallied Melee gets like 56% there, which is what GotD expects.
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