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If you're rallying on a forum that isn't specifically dedicated to the game, it's pretty much a given that people who haven't played the game will vote.

No one can guess at the actual percentage of voters, but it's silly to suggest only people who have played Undertale would be voting for it.

(just like it's silly to suggest all the games today only have votes from people who have played those games)
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The fact that BioShock vs. MGS3 is a 48-52 match is pretty surprising and great.
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whatisurnameplz posted...

I'm fine with rallies, but once someone goes from rallying to cheating, to me that makes the whole rally terrible. Like Draven in Round 2. There was rallying but there was also confirmed vote-stuffing. That result was just disgusting. Near-elites like Mega Man X and Ryu aren't supposed to lose like that. Not even to Link!

There was no confirmed cheating, that is false.

That was very likely nothing more than MMX and Ryu being incredibly weak with Redditers. They have different preferences than us.

This site is more 90s biased than most sites and MMX and Ryu had their heyday in the 90s. It would make sense they are weaker there than here. Link is more universal among gamers.
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Some of the voters probably haven't played it, yeah, but saying that a majority of them haven't is just trying to make the whole thing look worse. Undertale is currently the #1 gaming related tag on all of tumblr.
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KamikazePotato posted...

I think it's disingenuous to say that most tumblr voters haven't played Undertale. Some yeah, but Undertale is a really popular game there right now.

Im actually curious where people are getting the idea undertale voters actually isn't even being played much by tumblr voters

Is it anti-tumblr bias/assumptions? or bias because they havent played the game themselves?

No, it's because it's quite hard to believe that a rally for a game that recent could be THAT strong on a non-dedicated community without relying on non-fans to help out. We saw a Starcraft rally today that was nowhere near as strong despite being posted to a community of nearly 200k people. I'm not buying that Tumblr pulled in 15k fans the first time.
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KamikazePotato posted...

I think it's disingenuous to say that most tumblr voters haven't played Undertale. Some yeah, but Undertale is a really popular game there right now.

I said probably - we can't know.

But it makes sense. Undertale may be relatively popular there, but most have probably not played it. And with the game's development story, people who have never heard of the game can still reblog the rally post.

It's a guess, but I find it reasonable to think a hefty chunk of, very possibly most, Undertale voters have not played it.

I don't think it's anti-GameFAQs sentiment. There's some of that but nowhere like with Draven. It's mostly the great success story of Undertale.
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I never claimed that the majority hadn't played it, just a significant fraction. For a platform like Tumblr though even modest growth in reblog rate can have huge effects on the growth of a rally.
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Undertale isn't just relatively popular there. It's literally the most popular game on the entire site at the moment. I think that's what you're not really getting!

And Tumblr does have a dedicated Undertale community. That's the whole points of the tags system. If you see the rally it's very likely that it's because you're searching for Undertale. There's some people voting that haven't played it, yeah, but I doubt it's much higher than the number of people that vote for games they haven't played in any normal scenario.
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I mean the thing is, you have readers, then rebloggers, and then reblog readers.

Even with the original post - how many of this random guy's readers are likely to have played Undertale? They aren't going to his blog for Undertale info. But they can still do what he asks because he was convincing with his plea.

Even if Undertale is the top game now on Tumblr it isn't going to be some game like SMB or Halo or Madden that every gamer has played. Hell, a significant number of voters may not even be gamers!

So you have the original post and his readers. Then you have rebloggers, who may not have played the game. Then you have reblog readers who are even less likely to have played the game!

The degree of separation from a dedicated Undertale community is too much. It's incredibly naive to think that a large majority of voters have played Undertale. It's very reasonable to guess that if not a majority, very close to a majority of voters have never played the game.

And yes, that does bother me more than if this were people who genuinely adored Undertale.
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so, it looks like we still don't have r3 pictures? they're usually up early on weekends.
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Is it possible they are up and we just don't know the correct URLs?
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From my limited experience in trying to rally games, I find it more or less impossible to get any response from people who don't have some vested interest in a game. People aren't going to take 10 seconds and go to a site they've never heard of just because someone asked them to. If someone were trying to rally the Best. Ovenware. Ever. Contest, would you take time to vote in it?
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KP, do you at least accept that *if* a large number of voters haven't played Undertale, this is a legitimate gripe where people can be upset about it?
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If someone from here had something riding on the best overware contest and asked us to vote for it, I might

I've voted for random junk linked to from here before because someone asked us to
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creativename posted...

I mean the thing is, you have readers, then rebloggers, and then reblog readers.

Even with the original post - how many of this random guy's readers are likely to have played Undertale? They aren't going to his blog for Undertale info. But they can still do what he asks because he was convincing with his plea.

Even if Undertale is the top game now on Tumblr it isn't going to be some game like SMB or Halo or Madden that every gamer has played. Hell, a significant number of voters may not even be gamers!

So you have the original post and his readers. Then you have rebloggers, who may not have played the game. Then you have reblog readers who are even less likely to have played the game!

The degree of separation from a dedicated Undertale community is too much. It's incredibly naive to think that a large majority of voters have played Undertale. It's very reasonable to guess that if not a majority, very close to a majority of voters have never played the game.

And yes, that does bother me more than if this were people who genuinely adored Undertale.

this post is 100% accurate and representative of how tumblr functions
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gearofages posted...

From my limited experience in trying to rally games, I find it more or less impossible to get any response from people who don't have some vested interest in a game. People aren't going to take 10 seconds and go to a site they've never heard of just because someone asked them to. If someone were trying to rally the Best. Ovenware. Ever. Contest, would you take time to vote in it?

If it were about some old grannie who invented a very successful new appliance, sure, there's a good chance I would.

Especially since this is someone you are a fan of asking you to do it. Not a random stranger. People are reading this guy's blogs, and the blogs re blogging it. They are fans of these people. The bloggers aren't random Redditters - people have a connection to them.

Endorsements from influential people mean a ton, in both marketing and politics.
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i won't make claims about the numbers but it's ludicrous to think the post as it was worded in round 2 wouldn't at the very least appeal to people who haven't played the game
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I think you are putting far too much weight into the "people are voting for the success story" thing. If people don't care about a game they're not going to vote for it, especially over stuff like Fallout 3 that tumblr also loves. In general people are going to be voting for Undertale because they really like it, not because someone told them to. Tumblr does get a lot of reblogs and stuff but those reblogs are generally also going to go to reach fans of the game more than anything else.

creativename posted...

KP, do you at least accept that *if* a large number of voters haven't played Undertale, this is a legitimate gripe where people can be upset about it?

Yes, but I don't believe that to be the case at all.
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Steiner posted...

this post is 100% accurate and representative of how tumblr functions

Sarcasm or sincerity? I'm obviously not familiar with how Tumblr functions. That said, if it does work that way, then I can see and agree with creativename's rationale. If these original posters are popular Tumblr users with fans, then the fans can certainly support the users as much as (or more than) the games themselves.

If a popular YouTube channel like Game Grumps rallied for a game, their fans would swarm this site whether they've played the game or not. Based on what I'm reading, it doesn't seem like Tumblr would be all that different.
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now, i don't believe the user who makes or reblog the post matters, beyond their reach. someone who blogs about undertale though is likely to blog about several other topics, ballooning the potential visibility of the post. people on tumblr read every word of the post before acting and love a good story. stuff like the bracketentry post last time is going to make a few % of difference at the least.
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Another thing to consider with Undertale is that its word of mouth is growing all the time. Just because there are people persuaded to come vote for Undertale doesn't mean they won't play the game afterward.

I forget if the original topic getting attention for Undertale here was before or during nominations, but the board's awareness has been growing a whole lot since then. This isn't like LoL where it's already a huge established fan base and we're just catching up to the world. We're all learning about Undertale in a narrow timeframe -- on and off the site -- and that's a neat kind of excitement for rallying potential.
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HaRRicH posted...

Another thing to consider with Undertale is that its word of mouth is growing all the time. Just because there are people persuaded to come vote for Undertale doesn't mean they won't play the game afterward.

I forget if the original topic getting attention for Undertale here was before or during nominations, but the board's awareness has been growing a whole lot since then. This isn't like LoL where it's already a huge established fan base and we're just catching up to the world. We're all learning about Undertale in a narrow timeframe -- on and off the site -- and that's a neat kind of excitement for rallying potential.

Also very true. I just browsed its wiki now and its combat system terrifies the hell out of me and might just deter me from ever touching the game. Someone please tell me it's good.
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Someone please tell me it's good.

It's fine. Takes a bit to get used to but otherwise, good.

Unless you're murdering everything. Then it's boring as f*** outside of two bosses because everything dies in one hit and they'll never get a chance to attack unless you're purposefully stalling for betrayal kills.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Someone please tell me it's good.

It's good (though also not really THE reason to play the game).

If Wario Ware had a bullet-hell edition, this would be it mechanics-wise for your defense. The offense is either timing your hits or conversation-puzzles. Depending on your choices, your difficulty may vary...but generally, the curve is fine.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

HaRRicH posted...

Another thing to consider with Undertale is that its word of mouth is growing all the time. Just because there are people persuaded to come vote for Undertale doesn't mean they won't play the game afterward.

I forget if the original topic getting attention for Undertale here was before or during nominations, but the board's awareness has been growing a whole lot since then. This isn't like LoL where it's already a huge established fan base and we're just catching up to the world. We're all learning about Undertale in a narrow timeframe -- on and off the site -- and that's a neat kind of excitement for rallying potential.

Also very true. I just browsed its wiki now and its combat system terrifies the hell out of me and might just deter me from ever touching the game. Someone please tell me it's good.

Undertale's combat system is really simplistic. Just attack, talk, item, and spare/run. It's about as complicated as Super Mario RPG.
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Undertale isn't hard if that's what you're getting at. it's really simple pattern dodging. it gets more challenging as you go but I never had a hard time keeping up with it. I think I died maybe twice.

that's not to say that it's great though. it's servicable. the reasons that Undertale is good will appeal to a lot of people here but you have to see through the lo-fi graphics and the incessant fanbase.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

HaRRicH posted...

Another thing to consider with Undertale is that its word of mouth is growing all the time. Just because there are people persuaded to come vote for Undertale doesn't mean they won't play the game afterward.

I forget if the original topic getting attention for Undertale here was before or during nominations, but the board's awareness has been growing a whole lot since then. This isn't like LoL where it's already a huge established fan base and we're just catching up to the world. We're all learning about Undertale in a narrow timeframe -- on and off the site -- and that's a neat kind of excitement for rallying potential.

Also very true. I just browsed its wiki now and its combat system terrifies the hell out of me and might just deter me from ever touching the game. Someone please tell me it's good.

The combat is probably the one redeeming quality I've noticed so far. It's unfortunate that there is no strategy involved with the combat though, just 'fight' or 'conversation tree' as your only options to win. I would like to see the mini-shmup defense incorporated into an actual RPG.
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Actually some of the puzzles were interesting, not enough games do puzzles like that nowadays.
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ROUND 3 – DAY 1 – ALL OF DIVISION 1

Match XCVII: (1) Chrono Trigger vs. (4) Final Fantasy X

Previous Rounds

Chrono Trigger
85.85% against Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
81.93% against Dragon Quest VIII

Final Fantasy X
64.42% against Half-Life
55.48% against Mega Man X

Analysis

We’re in round three and only two matches a day now. Before the contest the main question was whether or not Chrono Trigger has retained its strength and would it be enough to win this division. After a couple of rounds I think the answer is yes. Sure it was up against two weak opponents, but the game currently has two of the largest blowouts of the contest against games that weren’t that bad during the 2010 contest.

I don’t believe there was much SFF in Chrono Trigger/Dragon Quest VIII. New and old Square rarely SFF each other and technically Dragon Quest VIII is Enix. Also if you hold Ratchet & Clank constant then Dragon Quest VIII actually got around what was expected of this. Of course if neither game got weaker then Chrono Trigger is going to smash through this division.

As good as Chrono Trigger has looked Final Fantasy X has been abysmal. Its performance against Half-Life was a slight underperformance, but Mega Man X got surprisingly close to Final Fantasy X. This is a game that got 38% on Final Fantasy VI. Console SFF is something that I believe in and while FFVI and MMX are different genres it could have happened. However, the fact of the matter is that Final Fantasy X needed to be stronger than Final Fantasy VI if it wanted to defeat a Chrono Trigger which has not gotten weaker. At the same time I find it hard to believe that Chrono Trigger would only get around 55% on Mega Man X.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Final Fantasy X > Chrono Trigger

charmander6000’s Prediction: Chrono Trigger wins, 57.32% - 42.68%



Match XCVIII: (3) Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. (10) Kingdom Hearts II

Previous Rounds

Super Smash Bros. Melee
67.71% against Portal
60.03% against Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal

Kingdom Hearts II
58.71% against Metal Gear Solid 4
60.03% against The Last of Us

Analysis

Super Smash Bros. Melee got the benefit of a rally to turn a 56% win over Pokemon GSC to a 60% win. While a rally like last round for this match is possible it would be unneeded. I don’t think many people would take Pokemon GSC over Kingdom Hearts II let alone Melee. Melee has looked like its usual self, but depending on how well Chrono Trigger performs in the other match it may need something special to show that it is capable to win the next round.

It is hard to rank the performance of Kingdom Hearts II. Both Metal Gear Solid 4 and Halo 3 were expected to be weaker this contest while The Last of Us is a new game. The first Kingdom Hearts game has looked like it has retained most of its strength from 2010. Overall this match may be a good indicator on Melee’s chances for next round.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Super Smash Bros. Melee > Kingdom Hearts II

charmander6000’s Prediction: Super Smash Bros. Melee wins, 59.28% - 40.72%
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KamikazePotato posted...

I think you are putting far too much weight into the "people are voting for the success story" thing. If people don't care about a game they're not going to vote for it,

This just isn't true at all though.

A call to action from a blogger you are a fan of can get you to buy products you didn't even want before, let alone make you click a poll. Again these aren't random strangers doing the call to action.

In general people are going to be voting for Undertale because they really like it, not because someone told them to.

We don't have any data at all, so we can't make definitive "in general" statements. We're just guessing. And my best guess is simply that I wouldn't be surprised if most of the voters had never played Undertale.

Yes, but I don't believe that to be the case at all.

Well at least it's good to know the issue isn't concerned foolish if it is in fact an issue :) We'll never know how prevalent the non-player voting is but I'm afraid I can't like it.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Kotetsu534 posted...

Of all the SNES games in this contest, the only two to have lost are MMX and Earthbound.

FFIV also lost but it was facing another SNES game in LTTP.

FFIV should receive a dishonourable discharge from the SNES army as a result of fraternising with every console under the sun. But yeah, I totally forgot about it.
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Undertale fans just have more DETERMINATION.
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Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it.

Oh we're not far from seeing CT break 60% on FFX, are we?
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Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it.

hopefully we're far away from seeing that
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Look at that Starcraft SNV go
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I'm going to see another trash game beat another good FF game then.
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shane15 posted...

I'm going to see another trash game beat another good FF game then.

thankfully this hasn't actually happened yet
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Karma Hunter posted...

Look at that Starcraft SNV go

Starcraft has to cut about 30 votes per update to win at this point based on a really rough guestimate.

Better start getting that 2500 vote update ready
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All games that have beaten FF games so far have been good games (all have been fantastic games besides SM64, actually)
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I feel like MGS vs. SOTC and MGS3 vs. ME2 both have the potential to be fun matches. Feel like this division's still up for grabs.

Nah, MGS1's pretty much got this wrapped up.

The only question is whether it faces ME2 or MGS3 now.

feels weird to say 60% on EarthBound is enough for MGS1 to have it all wrapped up but that's where we are
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Paper Mario vs. EarthBound: Who ya got?
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LeonhartFour posted...

Nah, MGS1's pretty much got this wrapped up.

Should I consider it called?
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I hope it's Paper Mario if the match actually happened
I hope it's Earthbound for bracket implications
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I'd go with Paper Mario.
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Tonight's the night my bracket finally dies. I took FFX over Chrono Trigger and Melee.

I was so close to the leaderboard too. ;_;
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I suppose I'll have to console myself with that
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