I would. Red Dead isn't THAt weak. I'd put it over every GTA game.
you know, thinking about it, Bioshock seems like it should be in the SOTC/Okami block of decent PS2/3 games. Mass Effect is right there too.
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I mean, mgs3 has gained 100 votes in the last 8 hours and it's been consistent. we could map these two matches these hour by hour, side by side, and probably prove that this isn't a rally favoring Bioshock.
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Maybe KH2 (which Bioshock lost to) underperformed on TP in GOTD? If it snags a comparable number on Melee I'd suspect it.

I don't know why that would be the case so I'd just say MGS3 sucks right now but hey at least SotC might suck more
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Maybe KH2 (which Bioshock lost to) underperformed on TP in GOTD? If it snags a comparable number on Melee I'd suspect it.

I don't know why that would be the case so I'd just say MGS3 sucks right now but hey at least SotC might suck more


we have no idea how SOTC is doing since Red Dead is an unknown. What if Red Dead was GTAV Level?
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Yeah, Bioshock proved it was decently strong in GOTD. It got 43% on KH2. It's not like MGS3 is struggling to beat fodder.

Still a bad showing if you were expecting it to be the strongest MGS or something.
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I wrote about this for the crew today - I've been impressed by everything KH2 has done. I'm down on it in general because it's attached to mgs3/re4/tp but I don't think it's far off from ffx.
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Karma Hunter posted...
Maybe KH2 (which Bioshock lost to) underperformed on TP in GOTD? If it snags a comparable number on Melee I'd suspect it.

I don't know why that would be the case so I'd just say MGS3 sucks right now but hey at least SotC might suck more


It was in the direct aftermath of Melee/Brawl?

Who knows. I remember being surprised TP did so well on it.
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If KH2 can go out and hit a super good number later it'll really reestablish my faith in the whole RE4/MGS3 debacle. Well, to an extent. But if you're a believer in the games being relatively static, RE4 >~ MGS3, and Bioshock >>> Bioshock Infinite, KH2 is your keystone for justifying their strength.
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Maybe KH2 (which Bioshock lost to) underperformed on TP in GOTD? If it snags a comparable number on Melee I'd suspect it.

I don't know why that would be the case so I'd just say MGS3 sucks right now but hey at least SotC might suck more


we have no idea how SOTC is doing since Red Dead is an unknown. What if Red Dead was GTAV Level?


What if Bioshock was OoT level
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Karma Hunter posted...
If KH2 can go out and hit a super good number later it'll really reestablish my faith in the whole RE4/MGS3 debacle. Well, to an extent. But if you're a believer in the games being relatively static, RE4 >~ MGS3, and Bioshock >>> Bioshock Infinite, KH2 is your keystone for justifying their strength.


If KH2 does something like 45% on Melee, I'd take it over MGS3 and RE4.
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I have no faith in RDR. None. I definitely wouldn't take it over Earthbound this contest, no way no how no chance, and I'd have taken Bioshock to do better than 60/40 it.

...this MGS3/Bioshock match is reminding me of SotN/Perfect Dark like crazy
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LeonhartFone posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Maybe KH2 (which Bioshock lost to) underperformed on TP in GOTD? If it snags a comparable number on Melee I'd suspect it.

I don't know why that would be the case so I'd just say MGS3 sucks right now but hey at least SotC might suck more


we have no idea how SOTC is doing since Red Dead is an unknown. What if Red Dead was GTAV Level?


What if Bioshock was OoT level


Red Dead is a Rockstar game.
Karma Hunter posted...
If KH2 can go out and hit a super good number later it'll really reestablish my faith in the whole RE4/MGS3 debacle. Well, to an extent. But if you're a believer in the games being relatively static, RE4 >~ MGS3, and Bioshock >>> Bioshock Infinite, KH2 is your keystone for justifying their strength.


so what's a good number for you? the thing that's going to make this hard is that weird Melee rally we saw last round. I think 43% is decent given GSC.
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For the record, Melee is projected to get 58.5% on KH2 based on GOTD.
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LeonhartFone posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
If KH2 can go out and hit a super good number later it'll really reestablish my faith in the whole RE4/MGS3 debacle. Well, to an extent. But if you're a believer in the games being relatively static, RE4 >~ MGS3, and Bioshock >>> Bioshock Infinite, KH2 is your keystone for justifying their strength.


If KH2 does something like 45% on Melee, I'd take it over MGS3 and RE4.


Man I hope it doesn't do that augh I have Melee in the finals

But I'm just saying, the better KH2 does, the better Bioshock looks (and thus MGS3), assuming you think that match would go roughly the same as it did in GOTD. Obviously at a certain level of overperformance you just have to assume KH2's boosted but I doubt that'll be the case.
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transcience posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
If KH2 can go out and hit a super good number later it'll really reestablish my faith in the whole RE4/MGS3 debacle. Well, to an extent. But if you're a believer in the games being relatively static, RE4 >~ MGS3, and Bioshock >>> Bioshock Infinite, KH2 is your keystone for justifying their strength.


so what's a good number for you? the thing that's going to make this hard is that weird Melee rally we saw last round. I think 43% is decent given GSC.


Depends on if the Melee rally happens again... probably does considering there was like zero reason to rally against GSC and it still happened. Honestly, if that happens again I think it'll look decent if it cracks 40%. Otherwise yeah 43% seems like the way to go.
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You gotta keep in mind me having Melee in the finals is going to perhaps make my percentage expectations a bit distorted though uh just sayin
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LeonhartFone posted...
Whiskey_Nick posted...
Best rallies are the ones where the voters stick around and vote every match.

Sadly that doesn't seem to be how this works.


This is somehow new information to you?


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I'm too excited about being on the leaderboard to cry about rallies right now.

But I will be in tears if/when Undertale knocks me off.
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How much of a rally is there for Melee? I missed it in the match because it was already blowing out GSC. I boldly took Melee to the finals as well, but I've lost confidence in it even beating CT. Should I keep the faith?
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You can't really count Melee out of the discussion for #2 if it's going to show up with the strength that broke 60% on GSC in every match from here on out. That's better than anything else has ever been able to manage, which isn't cupcakes considering that includes MGS, MM, and even RBY itself.
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Did the East just.. go to bed at 5 AM or something??

Starcraft seriously fell off a cliff an hour ago and hasn't regained its footing. Check the votals by update.

And Bioshock has been gaining again out of nowhere. Is Mass Effect being rallied elsewhere and we are seeing spillover? Really strange trends.
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My goodness these 60/40 updates Bioshock is laying on MGS3 are painful just to watch

we get it Bioshock you embarrassed MGS3 if you're going to do any worse than this you might as well just get it over with and try to win already
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I mean, mgs3 has gained 100 votes in the last 8 hours and it's been consistent. we could map these two matches these hour by hour, side by side, and probably prove that this isn't a rally favoring Bioshock.


Have you done that? Because we were earlier and my post on reddit directly coincided with increased votals for ME2 and Bioshock at the same time. MGS3 was gaining consistently for hours and now it is stalled out.
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I haven't. the lead has not really budged though.

wouldn't it be funny if Bioshock ends up closer than Starcraft
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We haven't seen big Ninty vs big Square yet. Sure CT has looked great, but there's no reason to lose hope in Melee yet. Now, if FFVI beats the ever-loving hell out of Wind Waker, that might be the opening salvo of concern.
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Man I am really glad MGS3 is only my third favorite MGS right now
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Bioshock needs 18.5 votes per update to win.

Based on last 20 minutes Bioshock will take the lead at 11:30 PM >_>
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54% on (rallied) The Witcher 3 or 52% on Bioshock go

e: or if The Witcher 3 is too much of a question mark for you

57% on Resident Evil or 52% on Bioshock go
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
We haven't seen big Ninty vs big Square yet. Sure CT has looked great, but there's no reason to lose hope in Melee yet. Now, if FFVI beats the ever-loving hell out of Wind Waker, that might be the opening salvo of concern.


I'm not sure what qualifies as 'beating the hell out of' Wind Waker, but I think FF6 is going to win without a problem.
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Bioshock for sure

Bioshock's doing as well now as ever and the rally is effectively over
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Whiskey_Nick posted...
Best rallies are the ones where the voters stick around and vote every match.

Sadly that doesn't seem to be how this works.


IT would be if the Gfaqs contest was advertised on a bigger board. OR if you were allowed to link polls to other sites directly so they don't need to visit gamefaqs.com


He tried last time. After the whole Draven situation, that's not something he'll do again.
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Well, Nintendo has made a recent habit out of winning matches against Square that it really shouldn't win (I think Majora may have been the catalyst for this, but I'm sure it goes back even further, like when LttP beat FFVI despite another Zelda in the poll). If FFVI completely ignores that trend and hits something like 55%, then I'd worry for Melee.
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Bioshock is still cutting... not fast enough but its 6 straight cuts wtf
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swirIdude posted...
I'm too excited about being on the leaderboard to cry about rallies right now.

But I will be in tears if/when Undertale knocks me off.


Undertale winning will knock virtually nobody off because virtually nobody has it.
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that's 100 votes cut in 30 minutes

thank god for metal gear's snv
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My expectation has been 56-57% for FF6. I don't think I've seen anything suggesting Wind Waker hangs with something like FF6. I feel like any hype around those matches seems more based on contests from years ago and the general Nintendo domination. FF6 has every reason to win that match, in my mind. It's just a bigger, more popular game than Wind Waker.
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I'd love to see KH2 win, but the most it can do is make CT/Melee a foregone conclusion.
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Karma Hunter posted...
54% on (rallied) The Witcher 3 or 52% on Bioshock go

e: or if The Witcher 3 is too much of a question mark for you

57% on Resident Evil or 52% on Bioshock go


57% on RE welp
And it needs to not do that

Leave Melee Alone
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It'd be nice if a game I liked would be the one embarrassing someone else instead of the one getting embarrassed for a change.

Although I like Melee a lot, too.
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Smash 4 the one true Smash
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7 more hours of the trademark MGS SNV from here huh ummmmm

Make my previous question 51% on Bioshock

...okay maybe just Bioshock
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This contest hates me.

Can't "wait" for CT/FFX
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Karma Hunter posted...
54% on (rallied) The Witcher 3 or 52% on Bioshock go

e: or if The Witcher 3 is too much of a question mark for you

57% on Resident Evil or 52% on Bioshock go


What do you mean rallied? Witcher 3 barely got rallied man. Probably extra 500 votes. thats' nothing. worth about 1% at best.
ZFS posted...
My expectation has been 56-57% for FF6. I don't think I've seen anything suggesting Wind Waker hangs with something like FF6. I feel like any hype around those matches seems more based on contests from years ago and the general Nintendo domination. FF6 has every reason to win that match, in my mind. It's just a bigger, more popular game than Wind Waker.


Find: FF6. Replace with: FFX
Find: Wind Waker. Replace with: Majora's Mask

Nintendo winning in such situations has probably happened more times than not over the last five years. Majora in 2010. The trainers over Cloud/Seph in 2011. The entire FFVII roster being decimated by Pokemon in 2013 (we thought it was a good result when Sephiroth survived Kirby, and then he got beat by a Pokemon in the next round anyway).

I completely agree that FFVI will be the favorite in a couple days and should win, but it'll be a good gauge for the rest of the bracket. If it wins easily, then perhaps Square will hold its own against Nintendo better than it has in years. If it struggles or if Wind Waker actually manages to pull it off, then it's another year for NintendoFAQs.
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