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Doom > MGS
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Hmm, I wonder if MGS3 can lose enough % that I can entertain ME2 > MGS3 again.

ME2 going up would help too.

I think I'd take Starcraft over Bioshock now but that could just be me trying to justify ME2 > MGS3 still being alive.
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Starcraft over Bioshock seems fine. I'd still take MGS3 confidently though
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11/27/2015 9:44:22 PM#5
Yeah, there's room for Starcraft > Bioshock to be true and still get MGS3 > ME2 at this point.
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Unless something really makes a move and explodes in percentage, the path to the semis seems as wide open as ever. I don't think SMRPG is up with the rest of the potential contenders in arguments but it's at least in the discussion, and you've got RE4/MGS/SotC/MGS3/ME2(/StarCraftComeback!?) in the mix too.
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Honestly if ME2 survives this I'm still feeling pretty good about ME2>MGS3.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Starcraft would easily beat bioshock.

People forget starcraft is the strongest pc game on the site.

Also screw this snesfaqs. I was all for it until you have s*** like earthbound doing well. I mean cmon guys.
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That's why I said I need MGS3 to drop more and ME2 to rise!

I don't think MGS3 loses as of now!
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I love Starcraft more than anyone but I giggled a bit at the first reply of this failed rally attempt: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/20043674480

I swear Starcraft II fans are the worst Starcraft fans.
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Okay if MGS3 continues this freefall I'm suddenly feeling better about MGS > MGS3 again
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Not sure how SotC to the semis is such an unreasonable pick. I actually thought about taking it, but I was banking on MGSV having more of a positive effect on the MGS games.
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11/27/2015 9:46:02 PM#13
Karma Hunter posted...
Unless something really makes a move and explodes in percentage, the path to the semis seems as wide open as ever. I don't think SMRPG is up with the rest of the potential contenders in arguments but it's at least in the discussion, and you've got RE4/MGS/SotC/MGS3/ME2(/StarCraftComeback!?) in the mix too.


good news is that SMRPG > Paper Mario is on the table, at least!
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I think MGS vs MGS3 doesn't much matter in terms of their independent strengths. That's all 'which do fans prefer'
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Undyne posted...
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What am I even supposed to be looking at

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Ive got me2 losing. But i have sotc winning the division and besting re4
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MGS3 has done nothing but convince me of MGS's superiority.

right now I'm having a hard time seeing anything outside of RE4 beat MGS. same as it was pre-contest, really.
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ME2 > MGS make it happen
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11/27/2015 9:47:07 PM#19
Achromatic posted...
I think MGS vs MGS3 doesn't much matter in terms of their independent strengths. That's all 'which do fans prefer'


who do you think votes for those games when they're not facing each other
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LordOfDabu posted...
I love Starcraft more than anyone but I giggled a bit at the first reply of this failed rally attempt: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/20043674480

I swear Starcraft II fans are the worst Starcraft fans.


I had to unsubscribe from the Starcraft subreddit because of people constantly complaining about how unbalanced the game was, and why Blizzard needs to listen to them because some idiot bronze league noob knows more about the games balance than the people that have been supporting it for 6 years.
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I've got MGS3 > MGS1 before it loses to RE4.

I'm feeling vague hope about that stupid "my bracket is pathetically cookie. Need another big upset!" upset for like the first time.
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LeonhartFour posted...
Achromatic posted...
I think MGS vs MGS3 doesn't much matter in terms of their independent strengths. That's all 'which do fans prefer'


who do you think votes for those games when they're not facing each other


Fans of other series, obviously.
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Achromatic posted...
I think MGS vs MGS3 doesn't much matter in terms of their independent strengths. That's all 'which do fans prefer'


Not really since mgs1 is older and this is nostalgiafaqs. Mgs1 is the clear favourite. Unfortunately earthbound will beat a lot of games in this bracket. Even though its the worst game in it.
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11/27/2015 9:49:05 PM#25
and those fans don't vote when they face each other?

that's why this talk is silly

if MGS1 is stronger than MGS3 independently it means it's more liked

rSFF is a silly theory and always has been
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By the way, MGS3 is already below what it's expected to get in 2010
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
So has SotC gotten more powerful to the point it can beat MGS1 or is EarthBound just stronger than we thought?
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MGS officially sucks this contest. It should go up due to Europe, but damn. Even 60% here would be a disappointment IMO. What was it supposed to get stat wise?

Why are people getting on ME2 though? This is only a couple points below the typical Oracle prediction from what I saw.

transience
seriously can we just not have a semifinalist from divisions 7

I have always hated how weak those divisions are. So many games in the upper divisions that would wreck shop in those.
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11/27/2015 9:49:52 PM#29
UberPyro64 posted...
So has SotC gotten more powerful to the point it can beat MGS1 or is EarthBound just stronger than we thought?


The latter.

This is basically FFX/MMX, part 2.
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rSFF can come into play if one game is an antivote magnet

other than that, eh
11/27/2015 9:50:37 PM#31
creativename posted...
transience
seriously can we just not have a semifinalist from divisions 7

I have always hated how weak those divisions are. So many games in the upper divisions that would wreck shop in those.


Yeah, but that's part of what makes the division so interesting. Throw LttP and SMW in these divisions and it becomes a cakewalk.
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And in what world is a sprite round going to have a pic like that, HM?

Unless you're looking forward to this:

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Yuri_LowelI posted...
Unfortunately earthbound will beat a lot of games in this bracket. Even though its the worst game in it.


it's magic
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I think the top 15 games are probably in divisions 1-6, and the only ones in 5/6 have Zelda in the name (except maybe Super Metroid)
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11/27/2015 9:52:11 PM#35
Undyne posted...
And in what world is a sprite round going to have a pic like that, HM?

Unless you're looking forward to this:

http://i.imgur.com/zEyEeQa.png


somebody already made a match pic for it in the picsmith topic so it's possible for it to get that
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Undyne posted...
And in what world is a sprite round going to have a pic like that, HM?

Unless you're looking forward to this:

http://i.imgur.com/zEyEeQa.png


just crop all that extra air
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LeonhartFour posted...
creativename posted...
transience
seriously can we just not have a semifinalist from divisions 7

I have always hated how weak those divisions are. So many games in the upper divisions that would wreck shop in those.


Yeah, but that's part of what makes the division so interesting. Throw LttP and SMW in these divisions and it becomes a cakewalk.


Also if we assume oot is the undisputed king(which it is) then feeding the weaker games in its half is the best way to make the contest interesting. That way you have all the potential #2 candidates fighting it out and avoiding being stomped by ocarina early. For example i wouldnt like to see games like mario world melee or rby being fed to ocarina before they meet a chrono trigger ffvi or a ffvii. This is just way better.
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The only game match pic I've ever seen that I think may have made a difference was the entire SSBM cast vs. Tidus' mug. Nothing less than that is going to change anything.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
LordOfDabu posted...
I love Starcraft more than anyone but I giggled a bit at the first reply of this failed rally attempt: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/20043674480

I swear Starcraft II fans are the worst Starcraft fans.


I had to unsubscribe from the Starcraft subreddit because of people constantly complaining about how unbalanced the game was, and why Blizzard needs to listen to them because some idiot bronze league noob knows more about the games balance than the people that have been supporting it for 6 years.


Yeah SCII fans are strange. They blame everyone except themselves for being bad (League fans do the same thing; I'm guessing it's popular in other competitive games now, too). I've played all three races on the ladder and have heard imbalance whines in all possible matchups.

The thing that boggles my mind most is "Ladder Anxiety." The fact that the phrase even exists as a way to pass the blame is just sad.
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Star of the Contest has this in the bag. If I wake up and it's breaking more than 65% on RDR, and MGS is still trying to break 56% on Earthbound, then SotC gets another legitmate shot at finishing the gauntlet.
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I suppose it's possible EB is worth something? It got SFFed to hell in 2009 and the only read we have before that is the lol 2004 stats. But if MGS goes on to look decent I'm not buying it having increased that much - I'd rather partially attribute a hardcore EB/Mother 3 fanbase or pic factor or Weekend After Thanksgiving Factor than that kind of ridiculous strength.
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Earthbound is just stronger now. It's been rereleased and people have had a lot more time to play it. It's a classic these days.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
EB being legit, especially in this contest, seems totally logical. I picked MGS with 59% today and so did most of the analysis crew so I don't think this is unexpected in the slightest. maybe pre-contest, but not now.
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xyzzy
the real shocker is that MGS3 might beat Bioshock with like 54%
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xyzzy
Well you'd have to move the text, but.

http://i.imgur.com/N21LgxF.png

Yeah that could work.
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11/27/2015 9:56:12 PM#46
sadly I have to acknowledge that EB is just legit now
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KamikazePotato posted...
The only game match pic I've ever seen that I think may have made a difference was the entire SSBM cast vs. Tidus' mug. Nothing less than that is going to change anything.


I'm just saying you're not going up against the drab WRPG pics anymore you're going against the timeless color explosion that is Mario World hold on to your Undertales tightly
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Why does MGS3 continue to have these killer board votes while MGS gets no love

damn you b8
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KamikazePotato posted...
Earthbound is just stronger now. It's been rereleased and people have had a lot more time to play it. It's a classic these days.


Snesfaqs.

Look at donkey kong country. It has no business being that strong
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Undertale beat two popular games when its picture was of a black-and-white winking flower. Pics really don't matter for games. Especially in a match like that.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
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