11/27/2015 12:51:01 PM#251
pjbasis posted...
Eh?

Look all I see is CC doing marginally worse on a GTA game than SMRPG on a GTA game.

And if CC's GTA game is stronger, it's too much of a stretch! More likely than FFX > CT


CC is doing worse on SA than SMRPG did on Oblivion, so SA > Oblivion needs to be true for CC > SMRPG

also SA would have to beat GTAV with at least 51.91%

and I haven't been arguing FFX > CT since round 1 so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make! It's not like I'm continuing to argue for a hopeless upset!
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LeonhartFour posted...

also SA would have to beat GTAV with at least 51.91%


This is nothing. And I don't see how beating Oblivion is some super hard thing.
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11/27/2015 12:52:49 PM#254
you wouldn't think beating Golden Sun would be some super hard thing either
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You wouldn't think beating Chrono Cross would be either! But that's Mario RPG's problem right now
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Golden Sun is a fairly strong game. 34% on FFX is not a bad result at all...well, at least FFX from 2010.
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11/27/2015 12:55:12 PM#257
I doubt it'll be that big of a problem for it to accomplish.

GTAV > SA is just as likely as the other way around at this point.
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FFX has never been that strong. FFTA got that once
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That'll be a first for a series.

Soon they'll start saying "always take chrono cross in a debated match"
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11/27/2015 1:00:29 PM#260
pjbasis posted...
That'll be a first for a series.

Soon they'll start saying "always take chrono cross in a debated match"


What'll be a first? That the most recent game is the strongest?

Eh, I'd wager VC, SA, and V are all fairly close together regardless of how you slice it. They're pretty much interchangeable in terms of strength.
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Probably, but beating a game by 52% is pretty in that interchangeable strength zone
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11/27/2015 1:02:53 PM#262
I told ya, man.

America SFF

actually that Canada SFF looks like it'll be even more brutal looking at the maps
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Kotetsu534 posted...
I like the symmetry of today being 2x old JRPGs vs. GTAs and 4x Japan vs. the west and both GTAs and all 4 western games are getting dumped out of the contest. (Though I voted San Andreas.)


It pretty much sums this site up in a nutshell.
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11/27/2015 1:05:14 PM#265
if CC had some sort of European presence I'd give it a chance but alas
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transience posted...
FFX has never been that strong. FFTA got that once


FFTA was legit that year. Don't know why.

34% on FFX is the KOTOR/Paper Mario/Mass Effect/Bioshock range. I think Chrono Cross might be in that range too, but SMRPG is definitely a step above it.
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RankGame
1Starcraft
2Super Metroid
3Chrono Trigger
4Diablo II
5DK Country 2
6Final Fantasy VII
7Mega Man X
8Smash Bros. Melee
9Final Fantasy Tactics
10Tetris
11Super Mario World
12Super Mario Bros. 3
13Castlevania: SOTN
14Warcraft III
15Super Mario Galaxy
16Zelda: A Link to the Past
17Zelda: Ocarina of Time
18Final Fantasy VI
19Xenogears
20Super Mario 64
21Metroid Prime
22GoldenEye 007
23Portal 2
24Final Fantasy IV
25Zelda: Majora's Mask
26Zelda: Twilight Princess
27Dragon Quest VIII
28Final Fantasy IX
29Phoenix Wright: Trials
30EarthBound
31Phoenix Wright
32Chrono Cross
33Super Mario RPG
34Final Fantasy XII
35Perfect Dark
36Kingdom Hearts
37Super Mario Maker
38Dark Souls
39Banjo-Kazooie
40Deus Ex
41Sonic the Hedgehog 2
42Paper Mario
43Metal Gear Solid
44Metal Gear Solid 3
45Bloodborne
46Final Fantasy VIII
47Portal
48Kingdom Hearts II
49Final Fantasy X
50Tales of Symphonia
51Super Mario Galaxy 2
51Mother 3
53Smash Bros. Wii U
54Zelda: The Wind Waker
55Paper Mario: TYD
56Star Wars: KOTOR
57Skies of Arcadia
58Persona 4
59999
60Half-Life 2
61Half-Life
62Demon's Souls
63Skyrim
64Fallout 3
64Undertale
64Mass Effect 3
67Resident Evil 4
68Okami
69Shenmue
70Shovel Knight
71Oblivion
72Shadow of the Colossus
72Team Fortress 2
72Red Dead Redemption
72Bayonetta 2
76Batman: Arkham City
77Assassin's Creed II
78Journey
79Planescape: Torment
80GTA: San Andreas
81World of Warcraft
82Grand Theft Auto V
83Hearthstone
83Suikoden II
85Xenoblade Chronicles
86Baldur's Gate II
87Fire Emblem: Awakening
88Uncharted 2
88The Walking Dead
88Life is Strange
88Animal Crossing New Leaf
92Morrowind
93Metal Gear Solid 4
94Mass Effect
95Persona 3
96Mario Kart 8
96Monster Hunter 4U
96Cave Story
96Metal Gear Solid V
96Valkyria Chronicles
101Resident Evil 2
102Ratchet & Clank 3
103Dragon Age: Origins
104Civilization V
105The Witcher 3
105Binding of Isaac Rebirth
105Metal Gear Solid 2
105Fallout: New Vegas
105BioShock Infinite
110Resident Evil
111Call of Duty 4
112Splatoon
112Borderlands 2
112BioShock
115Silent Hill 2
116Destiny
116Mass Effect 2
118Virtue's Last Reward
119Pokemon Gold/Silver
119World Ends with You
119The Last of Us
119Halo 3
119Pokemon Red/Blue
124Age of Empires II
125GTA: Vice City
126Minecraft
126Halo: Combat Evolved
128Pokemon X/Y
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LeonhartFour posted...
if CC had some sort of European presence I'd give it a chance but alas


The only people in the EU that know about CC are ultra nerds with a neckbeard and fedora.
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11/27/2015 1:10:01 PM#269
CC has proven itself to be a legit midcarder.

I mean, I predicted it to do this, so this isn't really surprising to me!

I'm not going to completely discount its chances against Mario RPG (other than just taking potshots at pj), but I'd favor SMRPG at this point.
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Hey Leon, how many of the games in the bracket have you played (and beaten)?
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11/27/2015 1:13:06 PM#271
Advokaiser posted...
Hey Leon, how many of the games in the bracket have you played (and beaten)?


About half.

Pretty much anything in the bottom half of those rankings is either stuff I've never played or stuff I don't like.
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Chrono Cross's not dead against SMRPG. The game's only pulled 54% on Oblivion and 56% on GTAV. I'd be surprised if CC could beat Oblivion but if it can CC > SMRPG has to at least be discussed.
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Also, good showing from New Vegas. I don't think New Vegas > Paper Mario is something that most people here would've rolled with pre-contest.
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11/27/2015 1:14:50 PM#274
KamikazePotato posted...
Also, good showing from New Vegas. I don't think New Vegas > Paper Mario is something that most people here would've rolled with pre-contest.


Yeah, no kidding. The people who said it would have strength comparable to Fallout 3 have been proven mostly correct!
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pjbasis posted...
San Andreas needs to beat V by only like 50.1% at this point!


Not buying it!
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LeonhartFour posted...

I mean, I predicted it to do this, so this isn't really surprising to me!


Yeah, same! I had CC winning two matches, so it's exactly where I expected it to be. But beat Mario RPG? Nah. Whatever 90s RPG boost it may be using, it's no SNES!
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KamikazePotato posted...
Also, good showing from New Vegas. I don't think New Vegas > Paper Mario is something that most people here would've rolled with pre-contest.


I thought RE4 would have done over 60% today because I assumed Paper Mario > New Vegas because of the disappointing round 1 performance for New Vegas (I didn't think BioShock Infinite was worth much).
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Nanis23 posted...
CaptainOfCrush posted...
That's one of the weirdest gaming opinions I've read here in some time, and that's saying something...


Considering the fact that GTA is so weak in this site I am sure he is not alone thinking like that
I have no clue why this site hates GTA so much, it's such a great series


I've mentioned rather frequently that the site probably just isn't interested, and then hates on the series because of its popularity.

And the fact that a notable amount of users on this very board legitimately hate the series...
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-LusterSoldier- posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Also, good showing from New Vegas. I don't think New Vegas > Paper Mario is something that most people here would've rolled with pre-contest.


I thought RE4 would have done over 60% today because I assumed Paper Mario > New Vegas because of the disappointing round 1 performance for New Vegas (I didn't think BioShock Infinite was worth much).


RE4's strength always seemed fishy. Game has never really turned in an impressive performance in these contests.
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RE4's beaten MGS3 and nearly surpassed Twilight Princess. That was fourways, but it's not like its strength in GOTD was a dud either. It did basically as expected on Paper Mario so New Vegas having more strength than people think is likely the culprit.

Now, if it goes out and lets MGS2 break 45% on it next round, that's a different matter.
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11/27/2015 1:29:51 PM#281
Karma Hunter posted...
RE4's beaten MGS3 and nearly surpassed Twilight Princess. That was fourways, but it's not like its strength in GOTD was a dud either. It did basically as expected on Paper Mario so New Vegas having more strength than people think is likely the culprit.

Now, if it goes out and lets MGS2 break 45% on it next round, that's a different matter.


hey man give MGS2 some credit

it's projected to get 48.43% against RE4...!
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LeonhartFour posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
RE4's beaten MGS3 and nearly surpassed Twilight Princess. That was fourways, but it's not like its strength in GOTD was a dud either. It did basically as expected on Paper Mario so New Vegas having more strength than people think is likely the culprit.

Now, if it goes out and lets MGS2 break 45% on it next round, that's a different matter.


hey man give MGS2 some credit

it's projected to get 48.43% against RE4...!


Wha- goddamn it SotC
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RE4 is definitely one of the strongest games, but my point still stands.
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RE4 is just in a tier that's pretty large, and all of those games can beat each other. throw in classic games and it gets messy.

it's only weird because, at one time, we thought RE4 might be on the cusp of the top 10.
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MGS2 is already projected to get around 43.5% on RE4, using their 2009/2010 matches against FF10. Not like 45% would be a huge outlier or anything.
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11/27/2015 2:01:29 PM#287
RE4 is like the peoples champ.It's in a sea of overrated crap but it holds it's own
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RE4 is like the perfect action game.

It's not that complex or ground-breaking but it's so thrilling. The game makes sure you're never too relaxed, that you're always fearing for your life and barely surviving the huge waves of zombies it throws at you. Rather than only having good aim or dodge skills, you need to learn to be resourceful and think of news ways of combining your weapons and environment to deal with enemy crowds.

I love it. Maybe the best game on the Gamecube, though Metroid Prime 1/2, Zelda TP and Melee are also games that I love.
Karma Hunter posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
RE4's beaten MGS3 and nearly surpassed Twilight Princess. That was fourways, but it's not like its strength in GOTD was a dud either. It did basically as expected on Paper Mario so New Vegas having more strength than people think is likely the culprit.

Now, if it goes out and lets MGS2 break 45% on it next round, that's a different matter.


hey man give MGS2 some credit

it's projected to get 48.43% against RE4...!


Wha- goddamn it SotC


It's a shame SOTC isn't in this division.

It would be Stomping the s*** out of so many games if it was #1 seed. Would comfortably take care of SMRPG too.
Being the #1 seed doesn't matter that much, really.
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11/27/2015 3:03:06 PM#292
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Would comfortably take care of SMRPG too.


I dunno about that.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
RE4 is like the perfect action game.

It's not that complex or ground-breaking but it's so thrilling. The game makes sure you're never too relaxed, that you're always fearing for your life and barely surviving the huge waves of zombies it throws at you. Rather than only having good aim or dodge skills, you need to learn to be resourceful and think of news ways of combining your weapons and environment to deal with enemy crowds.

I love it. Maybe the best game on the Gamecube, though Metroid Prime 1/2, Zelda TP and Melee are also games that I love.


Here's my problem with it. As an action and FPS game veteran, the complete lack of dodging frustrated me to no end. I actually enjoy inventory management but I don't think a game should limit your character's movement to achieve its ends. Standing still aiming was the absolute worst. Even worse than the ADS plague that COD has inflicted upon gaming.

Old school PC shooters and stuff like Halo that allow maximum movement and have hipfire with no aiming penalty let the player create magic on the screen in my opinion. RE4's action is bland in comparison. Don't get me wrong, it is tense, but I think it creates false tension with its poor movement. RE4 feels very constricting in comparison.

RE4 could have been something like Halo's Flood levels but with inventory management. In Halo you are stuck in many tense situations with the Flood bearing down on you in a corner and you have to constantly dodge and run while firing and I find it FAR more intense than Leon standing still aiming at a bunch of slow ass zombies. You throw in an RE4 inventory management system and you've got a real winner there imo.
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
I don't think a game should limit your character's movement to achieve its ends.


I don't see why not, so long as the game is designed with that in mind. It's supposed to make you be smart with how you position yourself before opening fire, and keeps you from just backing away and taking potshots at the bigger enemies.

Shadows of the Damned is the perfect illustration of how a game with RE4's enemy scenarios would play out if you could move and dodge roll while aiming: it'd be a complete joke.
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Yeah, a lot of RE4's fun is figuring out how to escape when the enemies suddenly ambush you.

Then find a safe position and fight back.

If you could just go Super Mario and run past everything, it would be too easy.
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RankGame
1Chrono Trigger
2Final Fantasy VI
3Mega Man X
4Zelda: A Link to the Past
5Starcraft
6Super Mario Bros. 3
7DK Country 2
8Super Metroid
9Super Mario World
10Mass Effect
11Zelda: Ocarina of Time
12Age of Empires II
13Shadow of the Colossus
14Shovel Knight
15Final Fantasy VII
16Metal Gear Solid 2
17Star Wars: KOTOR
18Metroid Prime
19Final Fantasy Tactics
20Super Mario 64
21Final Fantasy IV
22Warcraft III
23Super Mario RPG
24Metal Gear Solid
25Zelda: Majora's Mask
26Super Mario Maker
27Metal Gear Solid V
28Call of Duty 4
29GoldenEye 007
30Portal
31Perfect Dark
32World of Warcraft
33Smash Bros. Wii U
34Metal Gear Solid 4
35Diablo II
36Final Fantasy VIII
37Sonic the Hedgehog 2
38Portal 2
39Castlevania: SOTN
40Mass Effect 3
41GTA: Vice City
42Phoenix Wright
43Suikoden II
44Halo 3
45Resident Evil
46Metal Gear Solid 3
47Halo: Combat Evolved
48Mass Effect 2
49Destiny
50Smash Bros. Melee
51Resident Evil 2
52Mario Kart 8
53Resident Evil 4
54Phoenix Wright: Trials
55Batman: Arkham City
56Tetris
57Pokemon Red/Blue
58Red Dead Redemption
59Grand Theft Auto V
60Final Fantasy XII
61Civilization V
62Banjo-Kazooie
63Uncharted 2
63Skyrim
65Zelda: The Wind Waker
66Pokemon Gold/Silver
67Final Fantasy X
67Assassin's Creed II
67Paper Mario: TYD
67Tales of Symphonia
67Xenogears
67Pokemon X/Y
67Planescape: Torment
67Super Mario Galaxy 2
67Minecraft
67Journey
67Fallout 3
67Life is Strange
67Animal Crossing New Leaf
67Morrowind
67Half-Life 2
67Zelda: Twilight Princess
67Skies of Arcadia
67Hearthstone
67Monster Hunter 4U
67Okami
67Xenoblade Chronicles
67Fire Emblem: Awakening
67Baldur's Gate II
67Super Mario Galaxy
67Bloodborne
67Valkyria Chronicles
67Oblivion
67GTA: San Andreas
67Team Fortress 2
96Half-Life
96The Walking Dead
96Undertale
96Demon's Souls
96Persona 4
96999
102Ratchet & Clank 3
102Dragon Quest VIII
102Persona 3
102World Ends with You
102Kingdom Hearts II
102The Last of Us
108Final Fantasy IX
108Kingdom Hearts
108Cave Story
108Deus Ex
108Dark Souls
108Dragon Age: Origins
108Shenmue
108Chrono Cross
108The Witcher 3
108Binding of Isaac Rebirth
108Fallout: New Vegas
108BioShock Infinite
108Paper Mario
108Splatoon
108EarthBound
108Borderlands 2
108Bayonetta 2
108Mother 3
108BioShock
108Silent Hill 2
108Virtue's Last Reward

I've played everything in the top 67, only things beyond that that I have played are FF9, CC, Earthbound and Kingdom Hearts, which deserve their place at the bottom.
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RE4's use of a gun is a realistic approach. Outside of not being able to use cover. You are supposed to stand and shoot not run and gun.

I think that's why it is and does stand the test of time. The game is just insanely fun.
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LeonhartFour posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
RE4's beaten MGS3 and nearly surpassed Twilight Princess. That was fourways, but it's not like its strength in GOTD was a dud either. It did basically as expected on Paper Mario so New Vegas having more strength than people think is likely the culprit.

Now, if it goes out and lets MGS2 break 45% on it next round, that's a different matter.


hey man give MGS2 some credit

it's projected to get 48.43% against RE4...!


Oh god I hope so
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Looks like i've got my 8 #1 seeds if the bracket was done by me


1 Final Fantasy VIII
1 Super Mario World
1 Persona 4
1 Final Fantasy IV
1 Final Fantasy XII
1 Valkyria Chronicles
1 Resident Evil 4
1 Metal Gear Solid
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