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abdou posted...
so it's not possible that people who dislike the game have some valid criticisms and are just "butthurt" fanboys? how old are you? 11?

MGSV disappointed many long time fans of the series . get over it.


He's saying he understands you, man.
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11/26/2015 9:36:13 AM#303
Majora's Mask is proving to be remarkably consistent. Both of its performances so far are very close to what it was projected to get in the GOTD X-Stats.
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abdou posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
You're insane. The 'open world' elements didn't feel like other open world games at all. I can't stand playing games like GTA or Farcry, but MGS5 just plays so well.


please elaborate

the open world elements were as generic and as boring as Far Cry and GTA. Too much open barren spaces with nothing , same outpost with same soldiers patrolling etc. Even the side ops were the same over and over. Extract prisoner, destroy Tanks unit...repeat.

The gameplay mechanics are solid, but the missions and setting were a huge letdown. I beat the game a month ago and I barely remember any of the story missions. On the other hand MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3 all have some of the best and most memorable settings and missions.


That's the thing, if you have no interest in the open world stuff, you can just avoid it like I did. I just helicoptered in to do a Side Op or Mission if it was too far to ride D-Horse.

As for the other games in the series, MGS1 plays like complete ass and is very hard to go back to. MGS2 is probably the best balance in the series between story and playability. MGS3 was a fantastic setting/story, but was completely ruined for me with the fact that you have to enter menus every 2 minutes to change camo/med kit/eat food/whatever. MGS3 was Hideo Kojima jerking off onto a DVD and calling it a day. MGS4 played alright, but the story got real stupid with all the nano machine stuff. At the end of the day the story in 4 read like bad fan-fiction.
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How come this thread degenerates into a "what is the best mgs" every godamn week?

Ffs guys.
11/26/2015 9:47:48 AM#306
The core gameplay and the Fox Engine of MGSV deserve a sequel that take advantage of them in a less repetetive game. MG1 and 2 remakes are the obvious choices, and would probably be better than MGSV.

Too bad Konami went insane.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
abdou posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Wow, 2 things surprise me about todays matches.

- How the hell was Super Metroid winning here a 23% Guru upset? This seemed like one of the most obvious Round 2 matches.
- How the hell is MGSV so weak? The game is goddamn amazing, and easily my favourite game of the current generation (as shallow as that pool might be).


maybe because it's not a MGS game? I don't care what the title says, the game plays like a generic open world game with extremely repetitive missions and environments and it's not even a finished product.. In fact take the "MGS" skin and critics would give it mediocre scores just like they did with similarly repetitive open world game Mad Max

Konami and Kojima should both apologize for that piece of s***.


Youre an idiot and shouldnt talk about video games.


You win! You're a Winner! I award you The Clown of The Day™ for 11/26/2015. Congrats.
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pjbasis posted...
Better than "what is the best FF" every day


Well we could always talk about what is the best Zelda.
Reading the topic, why is War pushing "YEAR OF THE SNES" so much?
Whenever I see this term I always check who is saying that, and it's only him and just him
What's the big idea pushing this term so much? it's not even true
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11/26/2015 10:43:50 AM#312
how is it not true

and he's saying it because silly people like Ngamer kept pushing this as THE YEAR OF THE N64
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Because every SNES game could have put the same result if this contest happened a few years ago
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11/26/2015 10:59:10 AM#314
yeah and?

we didn't have the contest a few years ago
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We all have our per terms, we are all a little silly here!

Personally I prefer 90sFAQs or OldFAQs, as it's more than just the SNES.
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Nanis23 posted...
Because every SNES game could have put the same result if this contest happened a few years ago


Maybe because this is the year that SNES games get to prove themselves (because 1) this year there was a contest and 2) there's a favorable bracket for them)?

Not a fan of the term myself, but I can see the reasoning behind it.
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abdou posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
You're insane. The 'open world' elements didn't feel like other open world games at all. I can't stand playing games like GTA or Farcry, but MGS5 just plays so well.


please elaborate

the open world elements were as generic and as boring as Far Cry and GTA. Too much open barren spaces with nothing , same outpost with same soldiers patrolling etc. Even the side ops were the same over and over. Extract prisoner, destroy Tanks unit...repeat.

The gameplay mechanics are solid, but the missions and setting were a huge letdown. I beat the game a month ago and I barely remember any of the story missions. On the other hand MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3 all have some of the best and most memorable settings and missions.

GranzonEx
MGSV is the best in the series. I can see why people would be butthurt about it though.

so it's not possible that people who dislike the game have some valid criticisms and are just "butthurt" fanboys? how old are you? 11?

MGSV disappointed many long time fans of the series . get over it.


Good thing long term fans shouldn't dictate how games should be made then.

MGS4 was f***ing terrible. Like it wasn't even a game and the bosses were also awful.

MGSV might be repetitive but i never really got bored. I can understand fans hating it but boo hoo. This is the same people that praise MGS" for some reason, which was also a piece of turd.
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I think tumblr might have given us a day vote again. There's been a lot of trends in the recent matches.

...all my favorite games have awful day votes augh
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
abdou posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
You're insane. The 'open world' elements didn't feel like other open world games at all. I can't stand playing games like GTA or Farcry, but MGS5 just plays so well.


please elaborate

the open world elements were as generic and as boring as Far Cry and GTA. Too much open barren spaces with nothing , same outpost with same soldiers patrolling etc. Even the side ops were the same over and over. Extract prisoner, destroy Tanks unit...repeat.

The gameplay mechanics are solid, but the missions and setting were a huge letdown. I beat the game a month ago and I barely remember any of the story missions. On the other hand MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3 all have some of the best and most memorable settings and missions.

GranzonEx
MGSV is the best in the series. I can see why people would be butthurt about it though.

so it's not possible that people who dislike the game have some valid criticisms and are just "butthurt" fanboys? how old are you? 11?

MGSV disappointed many long time fans of the series . get over it.


Good thing long term fans shouldn't dictate how games should be made then.

MGS4 was f***ing terrible. Like it wasn't even a game and the bosses were also awful.

MGSV might be repetitive but i never really got bored. I can understand fans hating it but boo hoo. This is the same people that praise MGS" for some reason, which was also a piece of turd.


Yes it was! see we can agree on some things, (I love ToV btw)

It's a shame that both MGS4 and MGSV ended up sucking for different reasons. I think Kojima got tired and wasn't putting his heart into the series anymore. It might be a good thing he left Konami, I can't imagine what abomination MGS6 would have been.
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Advokaiser posted...
there's a favorable bracket for them)?


I know what you're trying to say, but I'd take it a step further and say that this isn't even a very favorable bracket for them. Diddy, Super Metroid, and FFIV all drew newer games that are quite respected and don't really suffer from new game backlash (Xenoblade, Mario Galaxy, Deus Ex). They still got the job done in style. Same holds true for (what might be?) the only non-SNES game from that era, Sonic 2.
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11/26/2015 11:26:54 AM#321
Yeah, Sonic 2 was the only Genesis game in the bracket.

Makes me wonder what Sonic 3 & Knuckles could've done.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Advokaiser posted...
there's a favorable bracket for them)?


I know what you're trying to say, but I'd take it a step further and say that this isn't even a very favorable bracket for them. Diddy, Super Metroid, and FFIV all drew newer games that are quite respected and don't really suffer from new game backlash (Xenoblade, Mario Galaxy, Deus Ex). They still got the job done in style. Same holds true for (what might be?) the only non-SNES game from that era, Sonic 2.


Considering the power of SNES(-era) games, that's still far more favorable than the draws they've had in the past. Sonic 2 having to deal with Portal 2 and Uncharted 2 is way more favorable than having to deal with FFVI, Link's Awakening, and Mortal Kombat II. Call of Duty 4 and Super Mario Galaxy can't even compare to Super Metroid's previous gauntlet of Super Mario Kart, Sonic the Hedgehog 3, Donkey Kong Country, and Link to the Past.

A favorable draw for the SNES is basically just non-90s games in general.
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11/26/2015 11:32:19 AM#323
the only thing that can defeat an SNES game is, of course, another SNES game
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abdou posted...
Yuri_LowelI posted...
abdou posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Wow, 2 things surprise me about todays matches.

- How the hell was Super Metroid winning here a 23% Guru upset? This seemed like one of the most obvious Round 2 matches.
- How the hell is MGSV so weak? The game is goddamn amazing, and easily my favourite game of the current generation (as shallow as that pool might be).


maybe because it's not a MGS game? I don't care what the title says, the game plays like a generic open world game with extremely repetitive missions and environments and it's not even a finished product.. In fact take the "MGS" skin and critics would give it mediocre scores just like they did with similarly repetitive open world game Mad Max

Konami and Kojima should both apologize for that piece of s***.


Youre an idiot and shouldnt talk about video games.


You win! You're a Winner! I award you The Clown of The Day™ for 11/26/2015. Congrats.


Sorry for flaming but The fact that you said critics would give it low scores if it wasn't MGS is just stupid. People who make comments like that don't really get how games are reviewed, like they think their opinion is so correct they want reassurance of that by making up utter drivel. Then you compared it to Mad Max...when you haven't even played Mad Max. I think critics are smarter than you tbh and they play more games. IF you had half a brain you'd realise the world and mechanics of MGSV blow Mad Max out of the water. How can you even possibly put them in the same ball park. Only someone with very narrow minded view about games or doesn't really understand the concept of actual game design. MGSV is just a vastly superior game in just about all aspects except for maybe art style and thats subjective.

When I said you shouldn't talk about video games i meant in terms of how they are developed and designed. You have no clue since just blurting out things like "generic open world" nonsense. The game is set in the middle east and africa, it's a stealth game. MGSV took years to make and was a very well crafted game. The level of detail and polish compared to most games is ridiculous. You can call it unfinished but the game itself is huge and was probably too ambitious for their own good.

Just because you got bored of doing the same things doesn't mean anything. In most games you'll do similar things. Pokemon you'll a bunch of zigzagoons in the field and try to escape from it or fight trainers the the same pokemon over and over again. JRPG's have grinding in them which are repetitive. My point is a lot of games have repetitive things. You can tackle missions in a variety of ways though. Different weapons, different routes and theres ways to just have fun doing them too. Just because you didn't find it fun doesn't mean other people didn't. clearly a lot of people hence the insanely high scores it got.

Sorry Kojima forgot to make a movie in there somewhere. I'm sure thats what you wanted. I'd suggest go to a cinema or something. I like to have the controller in my hand and guide snake around an awesome world and do a ton of sick stuff or build my base and just have fun. Something i haven't had in a MGS game for ages.

I love MGS1 and what that game created, but i'm sorry it's old now. That linear cinematic approach is just tiring. You need to evolve.
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LeonhartFour posted...
the only thing that can defeat an SNES game is, of course, Undertale
11/26/2015 11:34:17 AM#326
wait and see!

Undertale has only beaten new games!
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LeonhartFour posted...
the only thing that can defeat an SNES game is, of course, another SNES game


Or a N64 game
Or a Pokemon game
Or a FFVII
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11/26/2015 11:37:01 AM#328
Nanis23 posted...
Or a N64 game
Or a Pokemon game
Or a FFVII


how many SNES games have they beaten this year

I believe it's less than 1
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abdou posted...
Yuri_LowelI posted...
abdou posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
You're insane. The 'open world' elements didn't feel like other open world games at all. I can't stand playing games like GTA or Farcry, but MGS5 just plays so well.


please elaborate

the open world elements were as generic and as boring as Far Cry and GTA. Too much open barren spaces with nothing , same outpost with same soldiers patrolling etc. Even the side ops were the same over and over. Extract prisoner, destroy Tanks unit...repeat.

The gameplay mechanics are solid, but the missions and setting were a huge letdown. I beat the game a month ago and I barely remember any of the story missions. On the other hand MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3 all have some of the best and most memorable settings and missions.

GranzonEx
MGSV is the best in the series. I can see why people would be butthurt about it though.

so it's not possible that people who dislike the game have some valid criticisms and are just "butthurt" fanboys? how old are you? 11?

MGSV disappointed many long time fans of the series . get over it.


Good thing long term fans shouldn't dictate how games should be made then.

MGS4 was f***ing terrible. Like it wasn't even a game and the bosses were also awful.

MGSV might be repetitive but i never really got bored. I can understand fans hating it but boo hoo. This is the same people that praise MGS" for some reason, which was also a piece of turd.


Yes it was! see we can agree on some things, (I love ToV btw)

It's a shame that both MGS4 and MGSV ended up sucking for different reasons. I think Kojima got tired and wasn't putting his heart into the series anymore. It might be a good thing he left Konami, I can't imagine what abomination MGS6 would have been.


I disagree, Kojima put absolutely everything in to this game.

I don't think you realise how much effort it takes to make games especially ones like MGSV. Just look at how the game plays and runs on all consoles. It's a technical masterpiece. The core mechanics are so smooth, the world is so well structured. The game is just incredibly well made top to bottom. Even if people didn't like the lack of story focus you have to admire what Kojima was doing. MGSV is easiliy the biggest and most ambitious game he's ever made. Is it the best? Subjective. But it's the biggest, it's the one that would have took the most time and effort. In the other MGS games all he does is direct cinematics, record a ton of voices and put in a couple of boss fights.
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11/26/2015 11:38:30 AM#330
in fact I move that FFX be named Star of the Round for beating Mega Man X

truly becomes a more remarkable feat the longer this contest goes
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you're making good points Leon

Super Metroid
Metal Gear Solid 3

Resident Evil 4
Final Fantasy IX

go
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FFX couldn't even beat Melee in 2004 when this was FFFaqs. It's a shame we can't see Melee Stomp FFX again.
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Super Metroid probably wins that easy
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
11/26/2015 11:45:32 AM#334
I see tranny has been emboldened now that Super Metroid has finally validated itself
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11/26/2015 11:46:01 AM#335
Also, I don't know about "easily" because all of those games probably have no issues beating Galaxy.
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Fanboy pick RE4 > MGS3
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SNES-era games also have the advantage of only sending their strongest games to compete. I think the weakest games here are DKC2 and Earthbound and they were lucky with their bracket placement. Imagine the performances of some of those games from the 2004 and 2009 contests.
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Points 91/104
Also just a heads up

Mass Witcher 3 rally will take place tomorrow(unless it's beating MGS2 comfortably). CD Projekt Red love rallying for their games so lets see what happens.

In fact lets have witcher 3 winning the whole thing. It's a damn incredible game.
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11/26/2015 11:49:36 AM#339
Quick Paper Mario vs. Super Mario Galaxy

Who wins?

that might give you some indication of which way to lean on Super Metroid/RE4
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
Also just a heads up

Mass Witcher 3 rally will take place tomorrow(unless it's beating MGS2 comfortably). CD Projekt Red love rallying for their games so lets see what happens.

In fact lets have witcher 3 winning the whole thing. It's a damn incredible game.


MGS has looked bad so far, It might actually lose to unrallied Witcher 3.
Also if CD Projekt Red rallies for it, would it be the first time a game gets a rally by it's own dev ?
Metroid Other M or Destiny? Thats the real question.
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Averia posted...
Yuri_LowelI posted...
Also just a heads up

Mass Witcher 3 rally will take place tomorrow(unless it's beating MGS2 comfortably). CD Projekt Red love rallying for their games so lets see what happens.

In fact lets have witcher 3 winning the whole thing. It's a damn incredible game.


MGS has looked bad so far, It might actually lose to unrallied Witcher 3.
Also if CD Projekt Red rallies for it, would it be the first time a game gets a rally by it's own dev ?


Pretty sure kojima or konami retweeted the Snake battle 2 years ago.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
abdou posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
You're insane. The 'open world' elements didn't feel like other open world games at all. I can't stand playing games like GTA or Farcry, but MGS5 just plays so well.


please elaborate

the open world elements were as generic and as boring as Far Cry and GTA. Too much open barren spaces with nothing , same outpost with same soldiers patrolling etc. Even the side ops were the same over and over. Extract prisoner, destroy Tanks unit...repeat.

The gameplay mechanics are solid, but the missions and setting were a huge letdown. I beat the game a month ago and I barely remember any of the story missions. On the other hand MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3 all have some of the best and most memorable settings and missions.


That's the thing, if you have no interest in the open world stuff, you can just avoid it like I did. I just helicoptered in to do a Side Op or Mission if it was too far to ride D-Horse.

As for the other games in the series, MGS1 plays like complete ass and is very hard to go back to. MGS2 is probably the best balance in the series between story and playability. MGS3 was a fantastic setting/story, but was completely ruined for me with the fact that you have to enter menus every 2 minutes to change camo/med kit/eat food/whatever. MGS3 was Hideo Kojima jerking off onto a DVD and calling it a day. MGS4 played alright, but the story got real stupid with all the nano machine stuff. At the end of the day the story in 4 read like bad fan-fiction.


MGS1 plays fine.

MGS2 easily has the weakest story out of the first four and does nothing better than MGS1 other than gameplay (and maybe level design), which admittedly it is a vast improvement over.

Never thought the menu swapping stuff was much of a big deal in MGS3 but I can understand.

How does MGS4's story read like bad fan-fiction? It's ridiculous, yeah, but so is everything else.

But by the end of the day you're entitled to think whatever you want to think. Just find it peculiar you say the best MGS games are 2 and V when they're the ones that got the most backlash on release.
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LeonhartFour posted...
Quick Paper Mario vs. Super Mario Galaxy

Who wins?

that might give you some indication of which way to lean on Super Metroid/RE4


Paper Mario

Never trust Galaxy to do anything again. Super Metroid was my gut pick anyway, although I'll admit THE LIST played a role in that. But Galaxy was the consensus pick, and I think I personally like Galaxy more (not a big SNES guy), so I changed. Oops.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
Metroid Other M or Destiny? Thats the real question.


Fanboy pick Metroid...oh god.

Steiner said he's pick Other M over World of Warcraft.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
Mass Witcher 3 rally will take place tomorrow(unless it's beating MGS2 comfortably). CD Projekt Red love rallying for their games so lets see what happens.


You said the same about Fallout 3 rally and nothing happened so uh
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Quick Paper Mario vs. Super Mario Galaxy

Who wins?

that might give you some indication of which way to lean on Super Metroid/RE4


Paper Mario

Never trust Galaxy to do anything again. Super Metroid was my gut pick anyway, although I'll admit THE LIST played a role in that. But Galaxy was the consensus pick, and I think I personally like Galaxy more (not a big SNES guy), so I changed. Oops.


I don't think it's so much never trust Galaxy...just don't trust a game that can only be played on the wii or Wii U.

Also based on todays results, SM would beat or at least get 48% on a friggin SMASH BROS game. Thats just crazy. Samus taking out a nintendo all star game.
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Nanis23 posted...
Yuri_LowelI posted...
Mass Witcher 3 rally will take place tomorrow(unless it's beating MGS2 comfortably). CD Projekt Red love rallying for their games so lets see what happens.


You said the same about Fallout 3 rally and nothing happened so uh


I did rally and I got about 300 votes and probably upwards of 500(based on the views i calculated) . My bigger rallies failed because my threads got modded and deleted quick(as in instantly). Also Fallout fan boys don't care about fallout 3 it seems. Also I couldn't even register for some of the fansites because it took years for email confirmation to go through.

This game is easier to rally for since Geralt of Rivia is consistent with the series and resonates with his fans. It won't be a huge rally anyway. Just enough to beat MGS2.
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Super Metroid beating Smash 4 would not be a surprise at all considering how this contest has panned out.

Can we please get over "Super Metroid almost lost to Mario Kart?" We don't constantly make a big deal out of Metroid Prime losing to a GTA game once upon a time (and boy did that sting even if I called it).

Also never thought I'd be unhappy to see Super Metroid dominating a match. Maybe I should revisit the game someday. Last time I played through it I had fun alright, but felt like it was underwhelming compared to how its fans hype it up (not to mention I just automatically put massive expectations on it since Metroid Prime is my favorite game of all time).
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That annoys me actually.

Like people think Super Mario kart is some joke game. IT's friggin SUPER MARIO KART. The game was a huge hit with the hardcore fans back in the SNES days, the way games like Double dash, MK8 and the dS MK games aren't and have become overly Casual.
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