But if FF4 gets the SNES boost that would mean LttP gets it too
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charmander6000 posted...
Top 10 Closest Matches
6. Donkey Kong Country 2 – 42.11% vs. Fire Emblem: Awakening – 47.89% - Round 2 – 4.22%


year of SNES so powerful SNES games don't even need more percent to win matches
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
LTTP is looking kinda mortal here.


Well it is facing the third-strongest game in the final fantasy series.


fortunately, ff5 is not in this contest

and final fantasy mystic quest too
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1337gamerpr0 posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Top 10 Closest Matches
6. Donkey Kong Country 2 – 42.11% vs. Fire Emblem: Awakening – 47.89% - Round 2 – 4.22%


year of SNES so powerful SNES games don't even need more percent to win matches


A good sign for Super Mario World!
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For reference this is about what FF4 is projected to get against Mario World. Make of that what you will.
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this seems fine for LTTP. I think there's a real old Square resurgence and LTTP is dealing with that. name a match where CT, FF6 and FF4 haven't looked amazing. FF9 fits that mold too and look at that game. can't wait to see that vs. OOT next round.
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Top 10 Highest Individual Votes


I feel like this should be named something else since several of the losers should be in the top ten. "Highest Winning Vote Totals" or something.
If Deus Ex is to be trusted, FFIV is actually pretty decent (around KH's level) and LttP should still handle Majora nicely.

That's a big if though.
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Then00bAvenger posted...
But if FF4 gets the SNES boost that would mean LttP gets it too


I know, but from the pre-match discussion, it sounded like people were factoring the boost in only for LttP. I mean, with the fifty billion rereleases FFIV has gotten, I can see why some forgot where it actually debuted.
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11/25/2015 9:38:56 PM#160
Karma Hunter posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
All I know is that I wish Link's Awakening/Majora's Mask happened, because we may have seen the most unexpected (non-rally powered) upset in ages.


Eh. Link's Awakening screamed 'Fourway Wonder' to me. I wouldn't even trust it to beat MMX again 1v1.


Why? It's an old, well liked Zelda game. It has every reason to be quite strong.
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Can I just say - I don't know how much this argument has been in jest - but I really don't think this year's had much, if any, of a SNES boost. I think this contest is showing what divisions by era and fourways hid.

The Super Nintendo's top games outclass the vast majority of games in the contest. By a lot.

But they always have.
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Consider that in GotD Deus Ex was horribly SFFed by Fallout 3.

FFIV is actually well above Majora's Mask, and the X-Stats for this contest will show that when LttP breaks 75% on Super Metroid.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
All I know is that I wish Link's Awakening/Majora's Mask happened, because we may have seen the most unexpected (non-rally powered) upset in ages.


Eh. Link's Awakening screamed 'Fourway Wonder' to me. I wouldn't even trust it to beat MMX again 1v1.


Why? It's an old, well liked Zelda game. It has every reason to be quite strong.


Handheld problems. Wouldn't be the first time - RBY is the exception to the rule for kinda obvious reasons.
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Yay! Metroid has finally proved beyond a doubt that it's more than just a leecher. At the time I made the pick it was pretty much blind faith and feeling....

I picked Dark Souls to win, but I admit it wasn't due to accurately gauging each game.... I thought both MGSV and Dark Souls would be worth 65% on Perfect Dark.

I went up to #37ish in the top 50, despite missing DKC2 vs. FE:A? (too lazy to double check) To make things even better, I called both Super Metroid's and Dark Souls... I'll probably be in the top ten tomorrow. This is barring some sort of comeback, of course. The bad thing is that I picked Oblivon over SMRPG in my bracket.... blargh. I thought SMRPG was gonna win there, but I picked Oblivion besides I couldn't stand the thought of SMRPG losing. Dang it, the reverse jinxes always work (good for my tastes, bad for my bracket)!

Anyone besides me pick both Super Metroid and Dark Souls?
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Karma Hunter posted...
Can I just say - I don't know how much this argument has been in jest - but I really don't think this year's had much, if any, of a SNES boost. I think this contest is showing what divisions by era and fourways hid.

The Super Nintendo's top games outclass the vast majority of games in the contest. By a lot.

But they always have.


This is what I think too, and many of us assumed that new games were all strong because they were close to each other.

If FFX hasn't dropped, and is actually worth 55% on MMX, that drags everything from GotD down accordingly.
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you can look at it either way really (obscured strength vs. a boost). either way they're way outperforming what we knew.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
I can't even fathom Galaxy being the Guru favorite here

it's freaking

Super

Metroid

what

huh

is this how it felt to be an insufferable Mario > Samus 2005 supporter because I suddenly feel the urge to go there


Super Metroid almost lost to Super Mario Kart


twice


So? The snes mario kart is insanely loved. Please tell me you arent equating super mario kart with the modern new ones??

Smk would beat a ton of games in this contest. Including the galaxies
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Haste_2 posted...

Anyone besides me pick both Super Metroid and Dark Souls?


Yep!
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wtf was that? ppl really rallying LttP?
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ZFS posted...
Haste_2 posted...

Anyone besides me pick both Super Metroid and Dark Souls?


Yep!


Yep!

but I also picked Kingdom Hearts to beat Okami yesterday, so things aren't great for me
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transience posted...
you can look at it either way really (obscured strength vs. a boost). either way they're way outperforming what we knew.


Super metroid should beat galaxy in any contest.

We dont know anything except the dodgy xstats. 2009 was terrible because of generation bracket layout.

But a super popular snes game beating a wii game should be expected. In when wii was in its orime. Super should get 52-53 on galaxy
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There was never any chance of FF4 ever beating LttP
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Well looks like I'm on the leaderboard guys.

...on my alt (Nanako_Dojima) that is. When making the bracket on that alt, I literally spent 2-5 minutes on the entire thing with the motto of "pick nostalgia anytime a match is even remotely close." If I took that bracket even remotely seriously, I could be even higher, as that resulted in a few really dumb picks imo(mainly Xenogears > KOTOR and Goldeneye > Skyrim)

Meanwhile my "real" bracket backed with the power of careful consideration and knowledge of statistics is sitting pretty at 88, and it's only got 2/4 right today as well it looks like (as compared to 3/4 on my alt's bracket). Just goes to show how useful those things actually were to me.
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MechanicalWall posted...
Then00bAvenger posted...
But if FF4 gets the SNES boost that would mean LttP gets it too


I know, but from the pre-match discussion, it sounded like people were factoring the boost in only for LttP. I mean, with the fifty billion rereleases FFIV has gotten, I can see why some forgot where it actually debuted.


Ff4 isnt a good game though. Unlike ffvi and ct
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I hate to bring 'characters vs. games' into this, but are there any strong characters from a series with only one popular game, where that one game isn't strong?
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11/25/2015 9:48:00 PM#178
Karma Hunter posted...
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
All I know is that I wish Link's Awakening/Majora's Mask happened, because we may have seen the most unexpected (non-rally powered) upset in ages.


Eh. Link's Awakening screamed 'Fourway Wonder' to me. I wouldn't even trust it to beat MMX again 1v1.


Why? It's an old, well liked Zelda game. It has every reason to be quite strong.


Handheld problems. Wouldn't be the first time - RBY is the exception to the rule for kinda obvious reasons.


I can understand that for other series, but this is Zelda. I would have no problem believing it's another exception and its performances are legit.
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Also unlike lttp and crono and other snes games, ffiv probably was played by more people in recent times than back in the snes day. Since theres sequels and releases everywhere
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...
I hate to bring 'characters vs. games' into this, but are there any strong characters from a series with only one popular game, where that one game isn't strong?


Best examples I can think of are Dante and Ness, though I don't think either of those quite fit for different reasons.
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I originally had Super Metroid > Galaxy, based off Super Metroid struggling with SMK, and Mario > Samus.

And in what universe does a Mario game struggle with Mario Kart of all things?

I guess the main thing to take out of all of this is Old > New.

Team Rocket Elite posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
So...next contest let's get in Super Mario Kart.


This should happen.


My gut tells me Mario Kart 64 would be stronger. Hard to tell because they've both only ever been in 4 ways
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Link's Awakening was THE Game Boy game pre-Pokemania. It wouldn't surprise me at all for it to turn out to be very strong.
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...
I hate to bring 'characters vs. games' into this, but are there any strong characters from a series with only one popular game, where that one game isn't strong?


What do you mean by strong?

I can several characters who are stronger than their games. Dante and ryu(street fighter) being two.

But maybe sonic % wise. Hes usually a noble 9. None of his games would be top 20
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jacko_vdz posted...
I originally had Super Metroid > Galaxy, based off Super Metroid struggling with SMK, and Mario > Samus.

And in what universe does a Mario game struggle with Mario Kart of all things?

I guess the main thing to take out of all of this is Old > New.

Team Rocket Elite posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
So...next contest let's get in Super Mario Kart.


This should happen.


My gut tells me Mario Kart 64 would be stronger. Hard to tell because they've both only ever been in 4 ways


Smk had no competition. Diddy kong was far superior to mk64.
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Link's Awakening's not gonna be trash, but fourways in general aren't reliable and I really distrust non-Pokemon handheld games. Plus MMX got 44% on it even then - I'd be very wary of it being able to stave off the upset in a pure 1v1.

Also, "it's Zelda" doesn't always work. Skyward Sword would have flat-out embarrassed itself this contest just like SSB4 and the Galaxies have. Link's Awakening is in another league when it comes to its high regard, sure, but that isn't gonna save it from that handheld quasi-apathy come 1v1 I don't think.

e: Oh right, MMX had to deal with FFVI, a much bigger SNES game, breathing down its neck in that match. Yeah, I take it with confidence.
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I think you're underestimating Link's Awakening. that game is probably on the level of a Wind Waker or just a little bit below it. I don't think it's a fourway fraud or anything like that.
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I don't trust Wind Waker either!

Everything from GOTD is suspect why did they even let non 90s games into this contest
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This is really weird. SM vs. SMG is almost perfectly mirroring Mario vs. Samus. It's as if Samus had been planning out her revenge since 10 years ago. =P
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Would you consider any Kirby game strong at all?
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Dr_Football posted...
Would you consider any Kirby game strong at all?


Super Smash Bros. Melee
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I mean I think FFVI is just going to smash Wind Waker down and make it look weaker than Link's Awakening looked in the fourways against it. So there's that.
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Also I think the only Kirby game to ever be in a contest was Superstar, and it was in a fourway with Mario 64, so 'who knows'.
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I'm not saying it's strong just because it's Zelda. Skyward Sword might have embarrassed itself but that possibility is clear from people's reception to the game. LA is far more highly regarded which meshes with the strong performance it showed.
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Great to see LTTP domination after Ocarina's disappointing result yesterday. Kind of a shame it ends up getting fed to OOT.
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yeah, Wind Waker loses to FF6. no shame in that - I think FF6 is a top 7 game right now.
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I don't just think WW is going to lose, I think it's going to get its face kicked in, much worse than any of the times Link's Awakening faced FFVI. That doesn't mean that it's weaker than LA. I don't think Link's Awakening has the slightest prayer of matching the numbers it hung on FFVI back then in 1v1 either.
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Dr_Football posted...
Would you consider any Kirby game strong at all?


Super Smash Bros. Melee


That doesnt cmon. Its oike game and watch has a uber strong game. All star games do not count
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Haste_2 posted...
Yay! Metroid has finally proved beyond a doubt that it's more than just a leecher. At the time I made the pick it was pretty much blind faith and feeling....

I picked Dark Souls to win, but I admit it wasn't due to accurately gauging each game.... I thought both MGSV and Dark Souls would be worth 65% on Perfect Dark.

I went up to #37ish in the top 50, despite missing DKC2 vs. FE:A? (too lazy to double check) To make things even better, I called both Super Metroid's and Dark Souls... I'll probably be in the top ten tomorrow. This is barring some sort of comeback, of course. The bad thing is that I picked Oblivon over SMRPG in my bracket.... blargh. I thought SMRPG was gonna win there, but I picked Oblivion besides I couldn't stand the thought of SMRPG losing. Dang it, the reverse jinxes always work (good for my tastes, bad for my bracket)!

Anyone besides me pick both Super Metroid and Dark Souls?


You will likely be top 3 if not #1.

For all of a day.
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are you thinking 60%+?
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Sub-Zero has generally been pretty legit despite how weak his series is. Mortal Kombat was basically at the fodder-line even in 2004.
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