Excluding Undertale this is the first Round 2 match that I have the winner wrong.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Also funny thing: I had DKC2 getting to round 3 at first, but then Board 8 convinced me it was supposed to be the weakest of the 4-pack and I decided not to bet 3 points on it. SO I have FE > DKC2.

Damn it.


Same here.

I'll admit that THE LIST was most of the reason for me even picking DKC2 to do anything. Xenoblade > DKC2 would probably have been my gut pick otherwise.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...


SFF is a thing.


Lol - no kidding!

For a huge Suikoden fan, it doesn't make this any less awesome! Don't take this away from me - we Suikoden fans have very little to get excited about anymore...
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Safer_777 posted...
Excluding Undertale this is the first Round 2 match that I have the winner wrong.


Same.The rest of round 2 i've got a shot in ever match as well.
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Fire Emblem looks so out of place in this group of games it's hilarious.

Literally every game in today's matches was released in the same four-year window other than Okami and Fire Emblem, but Okami is facing a game only six years older whereas Fire Emblem is against a game 18 years older. My how time flies.
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TyranoTom posted...
Well next round will be the main test for OoT. Cant really say too much until then. If it drops another egg then it will be extremely fortunate to be on this side of the bracket with no competition. It will make the final whatever happens, face Undertale and there will be no real evidence of it vs FF7 or CT either way =/


TyranoTom posted...
Well next round will be the main test for OoT. Cant really say too much until then. If it drops another egg then it will be extremely fortunate to be on this side of the bracket with no competition. It will make the final whatever happens, face Undertale and there will be no real evidence of it vs FF7 or CT either way =/


FFIX is barely beating Okami. How is that a test for ocarina??
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
FFIX is barely beating Okami. How is that a test for ocarina??

It's a test in that we have a (reasonably) good idea of how strong FFIX is. That should tell us how much of today's result is Suikoden actually being decent vs OoT underperforming.
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Compared to Hearthstone and Suikoden, FFIX is contest royalty.
LOL at those people thinking Banjo could reach for an upset. Alucard and SoTN are always underrated in these contests.
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For the record, Symphony of the Night is performing out of its mind this year. Going through Baldur's Gate 2, it's currently sitting at about 44% against Majora's Mask...right around where Pokemon Crystal was. That's even stronger than the level it's Round 1 performance implied (even with FF9).
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Part of the plan.
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That's what I mean. Just when you think Castlevania is done surprising you, it comes back the next contest and blows you away again.
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SOTN is one of the few games this site loves that i agree is amazing.
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Wish it pulled that off against Goldeneye in 2004
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It deserves to make it to the semifinals, as far as I'm concerned. It won't, obviously, but in a world where it wasn't shoved in the same division as OoT...
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I don't think it could have won any division. The closest ones would be RE4's and MGS's.
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Oh, I know it wouldn't make it far in most other divisions; it was blessed with the weakest eight-pack in the contest. Still, swap OoT with, like, the Witcher 3 or something, and a division final with FFIX and SOTN would be awesome.
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KamikazePotato posted...
For the record, Symphony of the Night is performing out of its mind this year. Going through Baldur's Gate 2, it's currently sitting at about 44% against Majora's Mask...right around where Pokemon Crystal was. That's even stronger than the level it's Round 1 performance implied (even with FF9).


How about LOL old PC games this contest. Deus Ex was doubled by FFIV, Diablo II turned out to be on Phoenix Wright's level, the games that beat Torment and AoEII did horribly in R2, etc.

You're next StarCraft!
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All fanboyism aside, back in 2K4, there was discussion that Suikoden II was suffered some SFF behind FF7. As a niche JRPG, FF7 was probably the worst competitor Suikoden II could have drawn. It's probably always been quite a bit stronger than the majority wanted to give it credit for.

Still, Suikoden II could have done a lot more bracket damage with better placement. Pre-contest, would you have taken Suikoden II over any of these:

Call of Duty 4
Halo
Halo 3
Dragon Quest VIII
Persona 3
Pokemon X/Y
Minecraft
Age of Empires II
Mario Kart 8
Super Mario Maker
Skies of Arcadia
Deus Ex
Civilization V
Valkyria Chronicles
Team Fortress 2

Unless we are witnessing some weird drop by OOT here, Suikoden II's performance shows it would have likely beat any of these games.
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Suikoden II finished higher than all of those games on THE LIST other than Deus Ex, so of course I would!

...in all seriousness, most of the reason I stuck by Suikoden in R1 was because I was hoping that its good showing on THE LIST meant it could be worth a darn.
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Noooooo not Dragon Quest VIII
Why is my favorite series so weak? :(
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In all seriousness, even without THE LIST, why would you not pick Suikoden II over most of those games? Being an acclaimed PS1 RPG automatically means you're worth much. Remember Legend of Dragoon of all things doing so well in GOTD? Would you really pick Suikoden to lose to Legend of Dragoon?
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Legend of Dragoon may be a piece of crap but it was the most heavily advertised non-Square RPG on the PS1. Actually it was more heavily advertised than a few Square RPGs. And it's not like it did extremely well
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Yeah admittedly Dragoon was probably more mainstream than Suikoden.

Otherwise my point still stands. Debated match between a "casual" FPS and a PS1 RPG, would you really go with the former?

Heck, what's the strongest PS1 RPG Halo beats? Legend of Dragoon? Pretty sure GOTD projects that to be 60-40.

Halo vs. Skies of Arcadia who wins?
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
In all seriousness, even without THE LIST, why would you not pick Suikoden II over most of those games? Being an acclaimed PS1 RPG automatically means you're worth much. Remember Legend of Dragoon of all things doing so well in GOTD? Would you really pick Suikoden to lose to Legend of Dragoon?


People say that NOW. And yet, somehow Monster Hunter was the favorite over Suikoden II in Round One. Pre-Contest, Suikoden was not getting nearly enough credit.
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Just saw the results.

Wow, OoT much lower than I expected.

I guess this probably compares Hearthstone as by far the weakest game in the contest.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
Yeah admittedly Dragoon was probably more mainstream than Suikoden.

Otherwise my point still stands. Debated match between a "casual" FPS and a PS1 RPG, would you really go with the former?

Heck, what's the strongest PS1 RPG Halo beats? Legend of Dragoon? Pretty sure GOTD projects that to be 60-40.

Halo vs. Skies of Arcadia who wins?


After watching the matches so far, Skies of Arcadia. Pre-Contest, I would have taken Halo without hesitation.
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cyko posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
In all seriousness, even without THE LIST, why would you not pick Suikoden II over most of those games? Being an acclaimed PS1 RPG automatically means you're worth much. Remember Legend of Dragoon of all things doing so well in GOTD? Would you really pick Suikoden to lose to Legend of Dragoon?


People say that NOW. And yet, somehow Monster Hunter was the favorite over Suikoden II in Round One. Pre-Contest, Suikoden was not getting nearly enough credit.


Well I picked Suikoden to win that. Admittedly I did debate it on occasion, I just couldn't see Monster Hunter beating a PS1 RPG.
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I picked Suikoden to win because I didn't know that Monster Hunter 4 had even come out in the States. Also LOL modern games.
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I picked Suikoden 2 but it was fairly easy to see why people weren't giving it any credit. I mean you only have to look at its contest history in all formats to see why people might think the whole franchise is pretty weak

2k4: Suikoden II - 14.37% against FFVII
2k4: Luca Blight - 18.96% against Magus
2k5: Luca Blight - 40.26% against Wesker
2k6: Suikoden - 27.39% against MMX
2k9: Suikoden - 6.87% in a 4-way with FFVII, Mario Kart 64 and Star Fox 64

I don't think it's a case of Suikoden II always being underrated. I think it's gotten a little bit stronger / less prone to 2k4 like results with the lower votals and fanbase probably growing more loyal over the years. Plus greater availability in recent years has probably helped a decent chunk with either newer players or nostalgia playthroughs.
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I take it FE:A isn't keeping things interesting?
There was a guy on some thread yesterday saying that Ocarina wouldn't get past Okami.

I wonder if he will come to the board today lol.
swordz9 posted...
I take it FE:A isn't keeping things interesting?


According to the chart? Nope.

Then again, never trust Donkey Kong. The gap isn't so massive that Fire Emblem can't eventually make a steady comeback.
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COD4 may end up as the weakest game statistically. it could be behind triple SFF.
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swordz9 posted...
I take it FE:A isn't keeping things interesting?


FE:A has been dying since the sun rose.
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COD4 may end up as the weakest game statistically. it could be behind triple SFF.

I'm not sure if SMG wins, let alone SFF SM.

Though in principal I agree. Super Metroid must get below 21.84% on OoT to be weaker than Hearthstone.
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BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:OoT>Suikoden II, FFIX>Okami, DKC2>SMM, BK>SotN
Points 85/96
Yup DKC2 has almost 55% in the US and over 59% in Canada.
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BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:OoT>Suikoden II, FFIX>Okami, DKC2>SMM, BK>SotN
Points 85/96
Just how bad can a game with Mario in it be.

And here I was hoping FE finally had an entry with decent strength.
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Super Metroid at its best gets tripled by LTTP which gets whipped by OOT. if it loses to Majora it might be worse than if it loses to Galaxy stat-wise. Mario may not SFF SM but Majora probably does.
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DKC2/Awakening by the hour:

1:00-DKC2 +293
2:00-DKC2 +98
3:00-tie (lol)
4:00-DKC2 +15
5:00-DKC2 +43
6:00-DKC2 +111
7:00-DKC2 +32
8:00-DKC2 +162
9:00-DKC2 +198
10:00-DKC2 +194
transcience posted...
Super Metroid at its best gets tripled by LTTP which gets whipped by OOT. if it loses to Majora it might be worse than if it loses to Galaxy stat-wise. Mario may not SFF SM but Majora probably does.


Mario world or 64 would SFF SM. Galaxy has no chance. SM will demolish it.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
Yeah admittedly Dragoon was probably more mainstream than Suikoden.


In 1999, Suikoden 2 was the 9th most popular PS1 rpg on Gamefaqs (overall ranks listed):

1 Final Fantasy VIII
4 Final Fantasy VII
6 Xenogears
7 Star Ocean: The Second Story
9 Legend of Legaia
19 Final Fantasy Tactics
20 Lunar: Silver Star Story
23 Breath of Fire III
24 Suikoden II
36 Parasite Eve



In 2000, it was 13th. LOD was definitely more popular on this site. It sold well enough to get a GH release too.

1 Final Fantasy VIII
2 Chrono Cross
4 Final Fantasy VII
5 Final Fantasy IX
8 Legend of Dragoon, The
15 Vagrant Story
19 Legend of Mana
24 Wild Arms 2
25 Digimon World
27 Parasite Eve II
30 Star Ocean: The Second Story
34 Final Fantasy Tactics
35 Suikoden II
Suikoden definitely has nostalgia factor going for it, so it fits well in this contest.
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Great to see FF8 was #1 for a time
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
transcience posted...
Super Metroid at its best gets tripled by LTTP which gets whipped by OOT. if it loses to Majora it might be worse than if it loses to Galaxy stat-wise. Mario may not SFF SM but Majora probably does.


Mario world or 64 would SFF SM. Galaxy has no chance. SM will demolish it.


and get SFF'd by Majora which gets SFF'd by LTTP which probably gets SFF'd by OOT. (which gets owned by Undertale oh yeah)
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transcience posted...
COD4 may end up as the weakest game statistically. it could be behind triple SFF.


Destiny. Starcraft destroyed it and Starcraft might get destroyed next round
ExThaNemesis posted...
Are you for real? CT beat two nothing games, one of which it was clearly SFFing.


stop this

DQ8 is a weak game. The only reason most of this site even bought it was because of the FFXII demo.
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transcience posted...
Yuri_LowelI posted...
transcience posted...
Super Metroid at its best gets tripled by LTTP which gets whipped by OOT. if it loses to Majora it might be worse than if it loses to Galaxy stat-wise. Mario may not SFF SM but Majora probably does.


Mario world or 64 would SFF SM. Galaxy has no chance. SM will demolish it.


and get SFF'd by Majora which gets SFF'd by LTTP which probably gets SFF'd by OOT. (which gets owned by Undertale oh yeah)


Majora isn't SFFing Super that badly, it's still a classic game. And Lttp/MM will be almost a 50/50 split in terms of the fanbase. That will be an easy win for LttP based on it's pure strength(more people have played it too). Ocarina would SFF anything Nintendo related yeah.

But yeah Galaxy is going to look like s*** on xstats. Much MUCH worse than Galaxy 2(based on the undertale rallies) even though galaxy 1 is a bit stronger
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so 12 hours in and Symphony of the Night rose a bit with the morning vote, with the game now being close to its highest percentage of the match.

hey wait

this sounds familiar

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=5171&num=3

alucard being champion of the morning vote was preposterous, they said

that comeback couldn't possibly be legitimate, they said
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