11/22/2015 12:28:26 AM#151
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I haven't uploaded the most recent topics, yet. I'll see if I can do that tomorrow or something.
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I kinda feel like tomorrow is going to be a big dud.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
I have no idea if CoD4 would have beaten Minecraft.


THE LIST suggests no.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Halo is a gaming series that GameFAQs has moved on from, but does like a bit.

Call of Duty 4 is a gaming series that GameFAQs has moved on from, and never liked to start with.

Destiny is something we were never in on and something we have had 0 respect for from the start.


They're each on a seperate, clear tier.


If GameFAQs never liked CoD then explain Modern Warfare getting to Round 3 in the 2009 contest and Modern Warfare 2 winning GOTY that year.

Heck even in GOTD Modern Warfare was able to break 30% on Melee so it wasn't completely worthless!
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Karma Hunter posted...
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
(By the way, the Halo 1 > Halo 3 match is basically how MGS > MGS3 is gonna go down, we've seen this style of hierarchy assertion before.)


I'll defer to you in terms of MGS fan preferences, but I just have this feeling that 3 will make a really good showing of things. People are fanatical about it!


They're fanatical about MGS1, too. But one of those things has a 1 seed and the other has a 3 seed, so as far as individual nomination intensity (and ~tHe LiSt~ lol) intensity goes, MGS1 has its little brother beat down pat.


Which list? MGS3 was actually higher on THE LIST!
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77.7 for Final Fantasy 7.
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I just checked the results. This is what I have to say.
1st match=A doubling for FF 6 as I was expecting.
2nd match=At least KOTOR can evade a doubling.
3rd match=Nobody likes the Wii U games!
4th match=I hope FF 7 can finish above 80%

Overall expected results.
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Halo so pathetic that Final Fantasy VII can't even have a lead at 77.77% because it has to gain.

If TTYD can avoid a doubling, I'll call it a successful run.
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FFVI's performance does not inspire. Wind Waker is looking good and the upset should not be written off for next round. A Zelda rally on Reddit might be all it needs to push it over the line...

Smash 4 is really bad... and while my Mass Effect pick here was stupid, at least this showing means it wasn't totally unjustified.

FFVII looks good and doing about as expected.

Surprised the stats topic is still making time to talk about FFVI vs FFVII when the real match here is FFVI vs Wind Waker.
I think today's FF6's performance looks rather good, seems like in a good position to beat WW.
FFVI's performance does not inspire???

If you think the two Paper Mario games are close in strength, FF6 is projected to score around 60.5% on RE4, pretty good if you ask me.
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I'd definitely take TTYD over KOTOR. FF6 should still be the heavy favorite to win.
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For what it's worth KOTOR was slightly higher in both the GOTD x-stats and THE LIST.

But yeah I'd probably take TTYD over...hmm, Xenogears was two spots ahead of Symphonia in THE LIST...uh oh?

Bah, THE LIST can't be that accurate. TTYD probably does beat KOTOR.
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Also, uh, we have two Bioware games, one is getting 36% on Wind Waker while the other has 45% on Smash U.

No words. Oh, and Mass Effect and KOTOR were practically equal in the GOTD stats...
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The_Ctes posted...
It's a shame really, had Smash 4 not been on a failure like the Wii U, we would probably be looking at one of the very strongest games on the site. People saying Planescape wasn't that bad last round were obviously wrong.


How much does Smash need to get on FF7 to change your mind?


The result doesn't matter in that regard. Smash 4 is very well received both from Melee and Brawl fans alike. It's a major hindrance that it has a low playrate and is on the Wii U. People's opinions of Brawl were very mixed and it beat Melee. Had Smash 4 come out on a popular and leading Nintendo system, we would be looking at one of the strongest games. The only possible hindrance then would be that it's new.
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I don't think it's so much opinions on Brawl are mixed, at least on this board it seems to be the same people over and over who hate on the game.

Compared to Melee though yeah opinions on Brawl are mixed. I guess that's the point?
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Well, point was that Brawl had anti-voters as it wqs a disappointing sequel to some. If Smash 4 is anti-voted, it's only because it's a Wii U game.
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The_Ctes posted...
Well, point was that Brawl had anti-voters as it wqs a disappointing sequel to some. If Smash 4 is anti-voted, it's only because it's a Wii U game.


I don't think it's anti-voted, it's just weak.

You could argue the name alone is why it has any strength at all.
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The_Ctes posted...
Well, point was that Brawl had anti-voters as it wqs a disappointing sequel to some. If Smash 4 is anti-voted, it's only because it's a Wii U game.


I'm not sure if or how I'd dispute this, but it's pretty darning that Brawl was on the receiving end of fishy stuff towards the end of both its contests (getting leeched enough to lose to MGS4 when it had beaten it down easily the round before - although the situation went from Brawl being the sore thumb to MGS4 being that), and then underperforming against Fallout 3 and jobbing against Majora's Mask. For all we know if Melee vs. Brawl was the final then Brawl loses.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
The_Ctes posted...
Well, point was that Brawl had anti-voters as it wqs a disappointing sequel to some. If Smash 4 is anti-voted, it's only because it's a Wii U game.


I don't think it's anti-voted, it's just weak.

You could argue the name alone is why it has any strength at all.


Yeah, I don't think it's anti-voted either, therefore the if. The name probably helps a lot, yes.
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Just look at the FF games rise to heaven and all the Nintendo games fall.

Though Wind Waker's fall seems to be cushioned by KOTOR presumably also being day-oriented (due to its Xbox-centric fanbase?), although then again this is the same KOTOR that looked primed to score a hilarious upset over Halo back in '09 before getting buried by the notorious Halo day vote.

Meanwhile Smash U vs. Mass Effect is giving me Brawl vs. Fallout 3 vibes. Maybe WRPGs just overperform against Smash?

Make that 7th-gen WRPGs since Melee broke 70% on Morrowind obviously. Although didn't Diablo II manage to win updates over Melee that one time? Admittedly it was when Wind Waker was in the same poll (and Halo as well if that means anything).
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Ocarina if time is giving the ff games false sense of hope before it decimates them one by one.
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How on earth do FFVI and FFVII do so well while FFX does so poorly?
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The_Ctes posted...
Well, point was that Brawl had anti-voters as it wqs a disappointing sequel to some. If Smash 4 is anti-voted, it's only because it's a Wii U game.


If you compare playrate of brawl to wii u its not even close. On top of that less votals.

Also smash u is a very casual game. Even more so than brawl. Plus I don't think many people have played it
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
How on earth do FFVI and FFVII do so well while FFX does so poorly?


Ffx was never in ff6 and 7's ballpark let's not kid ourselves.

I look forward to chrono doubling it.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5728-all-of-the-other-final-fantasy-games-aside-which-is-better

Brace yourself!!!!
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-Zelmor- posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5728-all-of-the-other-final-fantasy-games-aside-which-is-better

Brace yourself!!!!


Even more impressive about that poll was the major geographical disadvantage that FFVI faced in that poll. Geolocation trends were the reason for FFVII's comeback overnight to take the lead in the morning.

FFVI had 52.77% in the US, 56.23% in Canada, 58.82% in Mexico, and still managed to barely win the poll as a whole. FFVI was getting destroyed almost everywhere else outside of North America. In Europe, FFVI won a couple of major countries like France, Spain, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Finland, but none of them with more than 53%. Most of Europe was in favor of FFVIII.
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-Zelmor- posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5728-all-of-the-other-final-fantasy-games-aside-which-is-better

Brace yourself!!!!


That poll had nothing to do with contests though.When you factor in bracket voting ect FF7 will win it.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
How on earth do FFVI and FFVII do so well while FFX does so poorly?


If City=Asylum (which is reasonable given its reception), then MMX is at Fallout 3 level, and FFX is where it should be. I think the crowning of CT is premature.
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Updated Top 10

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts
1. LoZ: Ocarina of Time – 91.03% vs. Hearthstone – 8.97% - Round 1 – 82.06%
2. LoZ: Link to the Past – 88.02% vs. Cave Story – 11.98% - Round 1 – 76.04%
3. Chrono Trigger – 85.85% vs. Ratchet & Clank: UYA – 14.15% - Round 1 – 71.70%
4. Super Mario Bros. 3 – 84.17% vs. Age of Empires II – 15.83% - Round 1 – 68.34%
5. Final Fantasy VII – 84.07% vs. Journey – 15.93% - Round 1 – 68.14%
6. Chrono Trigger – 81.93% vs. Dragon Quest VIII – 18.07% - Round 2 – 63.86%
7. Super Mario 64 – 80.04% vs. Mario Kart 8 – 19.96% - Round 1 – 60.08%
8. Super Metroid – 79.46% vs. CoD4: Modern Warfare – 20.54% - Round 1 – 58.92%
9. Mass Effect 2 – 79.08% vs. ZE: Virtue’s Last Reward – 20.92% - Round 1 – 58.16%
10. Metal Gear Solid – 79.07% vs. Splatoon – 20.93% - Round 1 – 58.14%

Top 10 Largest Vote Gaps
1. LoZ: Ocarina of Time – 36560 vs. Hearthstone – 3604 – Round 1 – 32956
2. LoZ: Link to the Past – 32386 vs. Cave Story – 4410 – Round 1 – 27976
3. Chrono Trigger – 33415 vs. Ratchet & Clank: UYA – 5506 – Round 1 – 27909
4. Chrono Trigger – 34045 vs. Dragon Quest VIII – 7507 – Round 2 – 26538
5. Super Mario Bros. 3 – 32381 vs. Age of Empires II – 6091 – Round 1 – 26289
6. Final Fantasy VII – 31574 vs. Journey – 5985 – Round 1 – 25589
7. Super Mario World – 40067 vs. Animal Crossing: NL – 14616 – Round 1 – 25451
8. Super Metroid – 31806 vs. CoD4: Modern Warfare – 8220 – Round 1 – 23586
9. Fallout 3 – 37861 vs. Life is Strange – 14324 – Round 1 – 23537
10. Super Mario 64 – 31065 vs. Mario Kart 8 – Round 1 – 23320

Top 10 Most Popular Polls
1. Undertale vs. Mass Effect 3 – Round 1 – 55380
2. Super Mario World vs. Animal Crossing: NL – Round 1 – 54683
3. Final Fantasy VIII vs. GTA: Vice City – Round 1 – 52753
4. Fallout 3 vs. Life if Strange – Round 1 – 52185
5. TESV: Skyrim vs. Phoenix Wright: AA – Round 1 – 44190
6. Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. Pokemon GSC – Round 2 – 44127
7. Metroid Prime vs. TESIII: Morrowind – Round 1 – 43248
8. GoldenEye 007 vs. Diablo II – Round 1 – 42773
9. Final Fantasy X vs. Mega Man X – Round 2 – 42305
10. Half-Life 2 vs. Demon’s Souls – Round 1 – 42180

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes
1. Super Mario World – Round 1 – 40067
2. Fallout 3 – Round 1 – 37861
3. LoZ: Ocarina of Time – Round 1 – 36560
4. Chrono Trigger – Round 2 – 34045
5. Chrono Trigger – Round 1 – 33415
6. LoZ: Link to the Past – Round 1 – 32386
7. Super Mario Bros. 3 – Round 1 – 32381
8. Final Fantasy VIII – Round 1 – 32008
9. Super Metroid – Round 1 – 31806
10. Final Fantasy VII – Round 1 – 31574
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BGE3: Today's Matches FFVI>PM:TTYD, LoZ:WW>SW:KotOR, SMG>SSBWiiU, FFVII>Halo
Points 65/72
Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes
1. Hearthstone – Round 1 – 3604
2. Cave Story – Round 1 – 4410
3. Ratchet & Clank: UYA – Round 1 – 5506
4. Journey – Round 1 – 5985
5. Age of Empires II – Round 1 – 6091
6. ZE: Virtue’s Last Reward – Round 1 – 6966
7. Dragon Quest VIII – Round 2 – 7507
8. Mario Kart 8 – Round 1 – 7745
9. Planescape: Torment – Round 1 – 7761
10. 9 Hours, 9 Persons, 9 Doors – Round 1 – 7897
10. Splatoon – Round 1 – 7897

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers
1. Mass Effect 3 – Round 1 – 27162
2. GTA: Vice City – Round 1 – 20745
3. Kingdom Hearts – Round 1 – 19194
4. Diablo II – Round 1 – 18851
5. Mega Man X – Round 2 – 18833
6. Super Mario Galaxy 2 – Round 1 – 18547
7. Portal 2 – Round 1 – 17840
8. TESIV: Oblivion – Round 1 – 17674
9. Pokemon GSC – Round 2 – 17638
10. Xenoblade Chronicles – Round 1 – 17434

Top 10 Least Predictable Matches
1. Undertale vs. Mass Effect 3 – Round 1 – 23.38%
2. Chrono Cross vs. World of Warcraft – Round 1 – 27.32%
3. Kingdom Hearts II vs. The Last of Us – Round 2 – 29.08%
4. Donkey Kong Country 2 vs. Xenoblade Chronicles – Round 1 – 37.98%
5. Halo vs. Minecraft – Round 1 – 38.88%
6. Final Fantasy IX vs. Kingdom Hearts – Round 1 – 39.04%
7. Sonic 2 vs. Portal 2 – Round 1 – 40.39%
8. Final Fantasy XII vs. Bloodborne – Round 1 – 42.07%
9. Final Fantasy VIII vs. GTA: Vice City – Round 1 – 43.86%
10. Final Fantasy X vs. Mega Man X – Round 2 – 44.02%
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BGE3: Today's Matches FFVI>PM:TTYD, LoZ:WW>SW:KotOR, SMG>SSBWiiU, FFVII>Halo
Points 65/72
All the performances today look fairly standard to me, except for Smash 4 doing poorly IMO.

FF7 will open another can of whoop ass next round. Anyone care to predict how bad the carnage will be?

shane15 posted...
-Zelmor- posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5728-all-of-the-other-final-fantasy-games-aside-which-is-better

Brace yourself!!!!


That poll had nothing to do with contests though.When you factor in bracket voting ect FF7 will win it.

It's not bracket voting, that's so minor I think.

It's that the poll had half the votes. Also it won't be taken as seriously as a real poll.
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Again, people were expecting too much out of Smash, especially after watching the first round. New games are weak so it was doubtful SSB4 would be as strong as Melee.
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BGE3: Today's Matches FFVI>PM:TTYD, LoZ:WW>SW:KotOR, SMG>SSBWiiU, FFVII>Halo
Points 65/72
Yuri_LowelI posted...
If you compare playrate of brawl to wii u its not even close. On top of that less votals.

Also smash u is a very casual game. Even more so than brawl. Plus I don't think many people have played it


This is pretty much exactly what I said.
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I wonder how much this actually helps Chrono Trigger

https://www.facebook.com/ChronoTriggerFans/?fref=ts
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so Smash U is weak as hell huh?

I mean for a Smash game
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ctesjbuvf posted...
I wonder how much this actually helps Chrono Trigger

https://www.facebook.com/ChronoTriggerFans/?fref=ts


so so much ....

but who could even make such a thing?
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creativename posted...
It's not bracket voting, that's so minor I think.

It's that the poll had half the votes. Also it won't be taken as seriously as a real poll.


Vote totals were pretty low for that poll where FFVII is a proven vote draw in the contests. FFVII really brings in the votes when it comes to the contests, but it wasn't the case with this regular poll. Still, vote totals were naturally lower than a contest match because that was just a regular poll.

The issue with that poll was the poll question. The wording of the question implies that you can only vote in the poll if you have played both games, since the poll is asking you to compare both games and make a decision on which one is better. That might explain the low vote totals, since the large 14-way poll from the day before got slightly less than 31000 votes, notably better than the 1v1 FFVI/FFVII poll (slightly under 23000 votes).

Contest matches don't have this issue because there's no poll question attached to the matches. Despite the high playrates for both FFVI and FFVII, there are going to be people that haven't played both games (or neither game). In a contest match, people will vote even if they have only played one of the games. And in some cases, people will vote if they haven't played either game. In a regular poll, that wouldn't be the case because people tend to be more honest about which option they vote for.
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Whiskey_Nick posted...
so Smash U is weak as hell huh?

I mean for a Smash game


The u itself is weak. And like I said before smash u is a very casual game.

Kind of like mario kart but obviously much stronger than that.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
And like I said before smash u is a very casual game.


It's like most Nintendo games in this regard, yes.
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Smash 4 is weak due to the lack of playrate. The underwhelming performance of Smash 4 has given quite a bit of insight as to what makes a game strong. From what I've noticed, there are 2 main factors that contribute to a game's strength:

1. The game's overall likeability and popularity compared to other games.
2. The game's playrate or the percentage of this site's users that have played the game.

Looking at either one of those separately will lead to grossly underestimating or overestimating a game's strength in the contests. If you looked only at playrate alone, you might think the game with the highest playrate of all time (Tetris with 98.85%) would be along the elites on this site when that is far from the truth. Tetris would lose to games like Wind Waker and FFVI, so the problem with Tetris lies in the game's overall likeability as very few people would have Tetris listed in their Top 10 favorite games.

Smash 4's problem lies in the game's playrate, even though the game is very likeable among those who have played it. Those who have played Smash 4 generally seem to agree the game is better than Brawl, but the playrate is what holds Smash 4 back from reaching its strength potential. Due to the lack of playrate, Smash 4 has trouble getting votes from people who haven't played the game, even if they may have played earlier games in the series.
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ZFS posted...
Yuri_LowelI posted...
And like I said before smash u is a very casual game.


It's like most Nintendo games in this regard, yes.


I meant on this site. Zelda and metroid arent that casual. Melee and brawl had hardcore following. He mk games never had a huge hardcore following here. Smash u is like in between.
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There's a third factor Luster, which is especially important between games with lower playrates. Most polls have games with playrates under 50%.

That's respect factor, or perceived quality factor. Or a guess of "I think this is more my type of game".

Some games have high respect from people who haven't played it. They will get votes from people who haven't played them at a higher rate.
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11/22/2015 9:46:14 AM#199
I wonder if anything weird would occur if SSB4 was in a one on one with SSBB. Unless SSBB fell off a cliff, SSB4 is the weaker game overall. However, the fanbase may disproportionately favour SSB4.
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I think SSB4 would win that. Just like how HG/SS would beat GSC.

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