Karma Hunter posted...
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
(By the way, the Halo 1 > Halo 3 match is basically how MGS > MGS3 is gonna go down, we've seen this style of hierarchy assertion before.)


I'll defer to you in terms of MGS fan preferences, but I just have this feeling that 3 will make a really good showing of things. People are fanatical about it!


They're fanatical about MGS1, too. But one of those things has a 1 seed and the other has a 3 seed, so as far as individual nomination intensity (and ~tHe LiSt~ lol) intensity goes, MGS1 has its little brother beat down pat.


Your The List is significantly outdated! All the cool kids use DDJ's The List these days.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13V_sjThl_WvS6CzQ4cRAUMVcpIwuYy4MC6m9Uz8b6Zk/edit#gid=1647357978

Happened in early 2014. He got 2000+ gamefaqs users to send him a list of their 5 favorite games.
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11/21/2015 9:45:56 PM#102
Back in the day, FFVI was always the 2nd strongest Final Fantasy on this site behind VII. I think there's a really old poll of the day from before the first contest when it even beat VII. As old games weakened, it fell behind FFX. It wouldn't be surprising that it's back to #2 FF now that old games are back with a vengeance.
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augh KOTOR beats TTYD 72-64 on The List

that's it, FF6 is screwed
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79% on Splatoon is pretty bad as well.
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11/21/2015 9:50:59 PM#106
Splatoon should be stronger than CoD4 unless Super Metroid (and Super Mario Kart!) is stronger than MGS.
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red sox 777 posted...
Back in the day, FFVI was always the 2nd strongest Final Fantasy on this site behind VII. I think there's a really old poll of the day from before the first contest when it even beat VII. As old games weakened, it fell behind FFX. It wouldn't be surprising that it's back to #2 FF now that old games are back with a vengeance.


You can trace its gradual fall from glory

1999 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3-lets-end-the-debate-now-which-was-the-best-final-fantasy
2000 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/361-which-is-the-best-final-fantasy-game-of-all-time
2001 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/576-whats-your-all-time-favorite-final-fantasy-title
2002 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/762-which-is-the-best-game-in-the-final-fantasy-series
2003 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1178-whats-your-favorite-final-fantasy
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
79% on Splatoon is pretty bad as well.


It's fine. I'll take it over outdoing DMC3 by less than 5%.
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AxemRedRanger posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
(By the way, the Halo 1 > Halo 3 match is basically how MGS > MGS3 is gonna go down, we've seen this style of hierarchy assertion before.)


I'll defer to you in terms of MGS fan preferences, but I just have this feeling that 3 will make a really good showing of things. People are fanatical about it!


They're fanatical about MGS1, too. But one of those things has a 1 seed and the other has a 3 seed, so as far as individual nomination intensity (and ~tHe LiSt~ lol) intensity goes, MGS1 has its little brother beat down pat.


Your The List is significantly outdated! All the cool kids use DDJ's The List these days.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13V_sjThl_WvS6CzQ4cRAUMVcpIwuYy4MC6m9Uz8b6Zk/edit#gid=1647357978

Happened in early 2014. He got 2000+ gamefaqs users to send him a list of their 5 favorite games.


I'm aware of it, I just don't think the sample size (and methodology) is reliable compared to the - admittedly more opaque - Contest List.

Of course it's so OLD that it's not of much use, but the gap between MGS and MGS3 is friggin' ginormous there.

Here, I'll give you a throwback, a Bold Prediction: Metal Gear Solid scores more on Earthbound than Metal Gear Solid 3 scored on Mother 3.

You know you can trust it because I'm using blind fanboyism to make it
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After an analysis of this contest and the few before it, I'd say that FFVI has every single advantage next round except the "it's not a Zelda game" Factor, and that alone could be enough to doom it.
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Speaking of which it's funny how this poll result happened somehow http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5728-all-of-the-other-final-fantasy-games-aside-which-is-better

and yet the odds of it being duplicated in an actual contest seem pretty bleak
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no way. I'd sooner expect Earthbound to break 40% than to go under 30%.
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It technically doesn't have to go under 30%!
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argh FFVII so close to All Lucky 7s
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I'd laugh if a Smash 4 rally next round failed to save Smash 4 but put WW>FF6
11/21/2015 9:57:10 PM#117
I think Wind Waker is going to show us all that Zelda fans are NOT drones.
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Then00bAvenger posted...
Speaking of which it's funny how this poll result happened somehow http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5728-all-of-the-other-final-fantasy-games-aside-which-is-better

and yet the odds of it being duplicated in an actual contest seem pretty bleak


I love that poll. It's almost like a Board 8 poll where everyone votes for MM over OoT and pats themselves on the back, but then when things actually matter, THEY ALWAYS COME BACK HOME.
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Kind of strange how VI became so popular though. I mean it's fantastic but like it when did it begin getting to popular that it appears number 1 in every single Top 10 Final Fantasy list?

Like when did this all start?


It was always highly respected. Perhaps it was briefly eclipsed by FFVII before people remembered it again after the fall of Square?


Yeah but like wasn't it around the strength of IV only? And then it jumped and is now higher than all except VII.
Even higher than VII in some circles.


I've always gotten the sense that fans view FFVI and FFVII as the zenith of Final Fantasy, with opinions generally falling with which they played first.

I recently played FFs 1 through 9. Playing them this way is interesting (though somewhat disrupted by the FFIII DS remake) because you can clearly see the creators progressing with each game, becoming more ambitious, with the storytelling aspects reaching the height of their ambition in VI. Square really pushed it to the limit telling a story through the Super NES. (And of course, IX is so special to me partly because it is a reflection on this journey itself.)

You can tell that by the time FFVII and FFVIII are released, the creators are so thrilled to shuffle off the mortal coils of sprites.

Perhaps old school Square gamers see FFVII as the beginning of a decline, with the company becoming more and more reliant on cinematics and graphics with its games, until we get FFXIII. This of course should not detract from the greatness that is FFVII, but perhaps those longing for the "good ole days" of Square now look more to VI instead.
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red sox 777 posted...
I think Wind Waker is going to show us all that Zelda fans are NOT drones.


so are you projecting a 60/40 win for FFVI or what

because if Wind Waker wins that doesn't work in your favor
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Also I was talking about this in the Crew topic, but I'm kind of curious to see what kind of number FFVI can put up even if it wins. Zelda's worst 1-on-1 loss was Mario 3/Zelda 1, and that was only 57%. Mario friggin' 3 couldn't even put a second tier (maybe even third tier?) Zelda down for the hard count.
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We've already gone over how FF and Zelda fans are the least "hiveminded" on this site. The strength gap between OoT/FFVII and lesser members of their series is enormous.
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11/21/2015 10:00:29 PM#123
so are you projecting a 60/40 win for FFVI or what


Something like that, maybe closer to 55/45 than 60/40.
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We haven't had a lot of 1v1 Zelda game matches! Plus Zelda 1 is still pretty strong. Do we not think Phantom Hourglass or something wouldn't (relatively) bomb as it should?
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Skyward Sword would have gotten blasted in this contest; even I must admit that now.
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ff6/7 is going to be great, assuming wind waker doesn't spoil the fun. that match is totally different. the site aging up changes the dynamics greatly too. ff7 will be the clear fave since its path is so weak but if ff6 can get there, all bets are off.
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After 1 hour, Smash 4/ME1 still has the most votes.

who knew ME1 was such a huge draw
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11/21/2015 10:03:00 PM#128
Zelda 1 > Wind Waker
Old > New
Zelda 1 > Majora > FFX?

*Runs*
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dat FFVII board vote
I could see Zelda 1 putting down Majora or FFX on a weird day. I'm probably ridiculously wrong, but trying to predict it gives me headaches.
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and yet Allen thought we needed Animal Crossing New Leaf, two Ace Attorney games, and two Zero Escape games instead of Mario 1 or Zelda 1
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11/21/2015 10:06:59 PM#132
Oh, I just realized Majora got nearly 57% on Wind Waker directly. Well, that helps makes things make more sense. There's enough space for Zelda 1 to fit between MM and WW then.
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New Leaf could have won this contest with a better draw

also ME's not going to win (argh) but it's now well on its way to making SSB4 look like trash
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Karma Hunter posted...
New Leaf could have won this contest with a better draw

also ME's not going to win (argh) but it's now well on its way to making SSB4 look like trash


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11/21/2015 10:16:44 PM#136
I've been listening obsessively to LTTP music for a week or more now. I think I've settled on LTTP music for heroic things, like Cloud trying to fight the tyrant. And One Winged Angel is the music theme for Gamefaqs Link.
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Well, it's not too surprising. It pretty much falls in line with what we already knew from contests. Peak strength for a really hyped title is leading up to and just after release.
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so close to All Lucky 7s
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what happens first: FF7 hits 77.77% exactly or FF6 hits 66.66% exactly
LeonhartFour posted...
I mean this is the game that couldn't get 70% on a game that never got an official English release

some fanatics

I know Mother fans are in an entirely different tier of lunacy but c'mon man


I can safely say that Undertale overtook Mother in that regard
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FFVI and FFVII both only one number off.
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pjbasis posted...
Then00bAvenger posted...

1999 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3-lets-end-the-debate-now-which-was-the-best-final-fantasy
2000 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/361-which-is-the-best-final-fantasy-game-of-all-time
2001 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/576-whats-your-all-time-favorite-final-fantasy-title
2002 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/762-which-is-the-best-game-in-the-final-fantasy-series
2003 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1178-whats-your-favorite-final-fantasy


Wow it's interesting to see how the latest Final Fantasy seems to really overperform for about a year.


Not sure if this means anything, but that 1999 poll was a couple months after the FF6 PS1 rerelease.
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It's a shame really, had Smash 4 not been on a failure like the Wii U, we would probably be looking at one of the very strongest games on the site. People saying Planescape wasn't that bad last round were obviously wrong.
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The_Ctes posted...
It's a shame really, had Smash 4 not been on a failure like the Wii U, we would probably be looking at one of the very strongest games on the site. People saying Planescape wasn't that bad last round were obviously wrong.


How much does Smash need to get on FF7 to change your mind?
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oh wii U can't possibly blow a 1200+ lead

(granted if any Smash game can do that, it's probably this one, but whatever, this day's pretty boring and I just want the next set of matches)
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Literal people have these other games literally beating FFVII

jokes on jokes on jokes
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So where do the CS&D Topics get archived and can we add that to the intro posts going forward?
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So tomorrow's the big day.

Hopefully the rallies don't kick in for a long time so we can get a decent bead on some pre-rally numbers.
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