Melee looks like it's about Majora's equal as expected. FFX shouldn't be that much weaker than them, if it even is.

Chrono Trigger is gonna cruise control though this division.
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pjbasis posted...

Chrono Trigger is gonna cruise control though this division.


This is where I'm at and what I went with in my bracket. I thought CT/FF7 was a tougher picked than CT out of this division!
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I'd say Melee>FFX>Majora

Basically thats how it would have been GOTD had Brawl not been a piece of annoying s***.
And i haven't even unleashed my army yet...

Chrono Trigger looking godly
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CT OoT final with OoT winning comfortably? Ok i'll take that.
Morning vote has arrived. Melee, Kingdom Hearts, MMX, and Chrono Trigger (yes, Chrono Trigger) now gaining.
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red sox 777 posted...
Morning vote has arrived. Melee, Kingdom Hearts, MMX, and Chrono Trigger (yes, Chrono Trigger) now gaining.


Holy s*** man. How much does CT have to lead VII by at the entering the Europe vote to win?
I was pretty tempted to take CT over FFVII.

If VI could beat VII, surely CT can
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Holy s*** man. How much does CT have to lead VII by at the entering the Europe vote to win?


55/45 at 1 AM was sufficient for Crono against Vincent in 2008. CT almost definitely has the endgame rally advantage, if it comes to that. Votewise, Crono's lead against Vincent peaked at 930 at 3:11 a.m.. in 2008, when the two of them combined for 62,000 votes, which is rather higher votals than we've been getting this contest. Though for a big match with big vote draws like CT vs. FFVII, it might be possible. So I guess, CT can pull it off if it jumps out to an 800-900 vote lead.
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CT/FF7 (or FF6) probably won't be a normal match. I wouldn't put an expectation on that.
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Gawrsh, you guys think this will translate to character battle improved strength for Crono/Magus/Frog?
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Not good for FFX, but even if it remains at its GOTD level strength, it would lose to CT due to 90'sFAQs.

Saw a bit of a discussion on top 20 games that mentioned SMB1 and LoZ. I mentioned pre contest that I thought they were top 20 games and I was shot down...!

Have people changed their minds on that? If they aren't top 20 I'd say they are on the same tier as whatever #20 is.
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Have people changed their minds on that? If they aren't top 20 I'd say they are on the same tier as whatever #20 is.


Well, I've thought that for years, so no. Can't speak for others though.
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Mario 1's been top 20 for a long time. Zelda 1's probably on the cusp.

the problem is, Mario 1 loses badly to 3/World/64/OOT/LTTP and probably MM/WW/TP as well. Zelda definitely does. so while they're top 20, they're like Tetris in that the right game can shoot it down in a heartbeat.

I've always wanted to see those games up against a modern non-Nintendo game, like Mario 1/Resident Evil 4. could be fireworks.
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Super Mario Bros 2 Vs. Super Mario Sunshine

That would be interesting.
I'm surprised a lot of people are predicting SSB4 to break 60% on Mass Effect. Do people expect it to be close to Melee or Mass Effect to be weaker now or the Cloud announcement has made a difference?
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I have zero idea what to expect from that matchup. I think it's more that I'd take Smash 4 to get to about 60% on Galaxy 2.
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Apparently Link's Awakening has better metrics than Resident Evil 4 as things stand?

Who would pick LA>RE4?
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red sox 777 posted...

Holy s*** man. How much does CT have to lead VII by at the entering the Europe vote to win?


55/45 at 1 AM was sufficient for Crono against Vincent in 2008. CT almost definitely has the endgame rally advantage, if it comes to that. Votewise, Crono's lead against Vincent peaked at 930 at 3:11 a.m.. in 2008, when the two of them combined for 62,000 votes, which is rather higher votals than we've been getting this contest. Though for a big match with big vote draws like CT vs. FFVII, it might be possible. So I guess, CT can pull it off if it jumps out to an 800-900 vote lead.


So, how much to beat the Eater of Worlds itself.... OoT?
I would love Mario 1 and Zelda 1 being that strong but eh. Kinda can't see it. Maybe Mario.

Feel like Zelda 1 should be even under LA
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EmDubyaSee posted...
red sox 777 posted...

Holy s*** man. How much does CT have to lead VII by at the entering the Europe vote to win?


55/45 at 1 AM was sufficient for Crono against Vincent in 2008. CT almost definitely has the endgame rally advantage, if it comes to that. Votewise, Crono's lead against Vincent peaked at 930 at 3:11 a.m.. in 2008, when the two of them combined for 62,000 votes, which is rather higher votals than we've been getting this contest. Though for a big match with big vote draws like CT vs. FFVII, it might be possible. So I guess, CT can pull it off if it jumps out to an 800-900 vote lead.


So, how much to beat the Eater of Worlds itself.... OoT?


infinity%, because Zelda fans will rally
Not sure why people are so down and out on FFX. This is about what I was expecting, and I've got it losing 55-45 to Chrono Trigger in Round 3
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So, how much to beat the Eater of Worlds itself.... OoT?


It depends on how much of a bandwagon CT gets. The bigger the bandwagon, the stronger its early vote will be and the bigger lead it will need to hold off OOT. If we just had normal trends though, 52% at the end of the Power Hour is probably sufficient. The percentage would go up until 2 AM and then gradually decline until morning while CT continues to add to its vote lead slowly. The same 52% at 8 AM would yield a lead of about 1000, assuming a bit over 60k votes in the final, which should be sufficient under normal trends with the super weak day vote this year. 51.5% at 8 AM is probably a CT victory if it's not bandwagoned too, but it's OOT in the final so I wouldn't be at all surprised if the old day vote patterns made something of a return.

The wild card here is rallying. I'm sure Gamefaqs will be rallying for CT to overthrow the tyrant, but Link demonstrated the ability to rally about 10,000 votes in 7 hours against Draven last time.
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Melee is really flying with the day vote today. It hit a bottom of 55.67% at 7:20 and has gained 1.68% in only 3 and a half hours....I think that might be the biggest day vote swing we've seen all contest, and it's not slowing down yet!

Also FFX is letting MMX periodically get cuts on it again.
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Not sure why people are so down and out on FFX. This is about what I was expecting, and I've got it losing 55-45 to Chrono Trigger in Round 3

I think it's because the results imply 2009 FFVI would be significantly stronger than FFX
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In the last 30 minutes, FFX has gained all of 2 votes on MMX.

Looks like MMX might get to 45% on it after all!
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11/21/2015 8:35:41 AM#179
Man, Melee is rising like crazy. Almost faster than it fell overnight.

Pretty rare to see such crazy swings on a weekend.
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charmander6000 posted...
I'm surprised a lot of people are predicting SSB4 to break 60% on Mass Effect. Do people expect it to be close to Melee or Mass Effect to be weaker now or the Cloud announcement has made a difference?


Cloud will have an effect. I doubt it gets 60% though

it's still a Wii U game.

IF we compare Smash U 2015 to Brawl 2010 then it's not even a contest, U is much much weaker and with the Old consoles>new consoles theme Melee would decimate Smash U. 80% on planesscape is quite terrible actually.
11/21/2015 8:38:20 AM#181
CaptainOfCrush posted...
I think Melee still has a good chance because Nintendo simply has a knack for "summoning it" that Square does not. Chrono Trigger should easily get by FFX - possibly riding its old school Nintendo support to victory - and then stumble against Melee when that same Nintendo support abandons it. I wouldn't be surprised if it looks very similar to the Snake/Samus goofiness.


Eh, Chrono Trigger has the furthest thing from Nintendo trends you can possibly have. I don't buy any sort of Nintendo overlap favoring Melee or anything like that. Most people didn't play Chrono Trigger on an actual SNES, after all...!
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LeonhartFour posted...
CaptainOfCrush posted...
I think Melee still has a good chance because Nintendo simply has a knack for "summoning it" that Square does not. Chrono Trigger should easily get by FFX - possibly riding its old school Nintendo support to victory - and then stumble against Melee when that same Nintendo support abandons it. I wouldn't be surprised if it looks very similar to the Snake/Samus goofiness.


Eh, Chrono Trigger has the furthest thing from Nintendo trends you can possibly have. I don't buy any sort of Nintendo overlap favoring Melee or anything like that. Most people didn't play Chrono Trigger on an actual SNES, after all...!


Yeah but most people on this site who played CT played it on the SNES..hence the strength.

And there is a clear overlap just not very big. CT came out on the SNES in which a lot of Nintendo fans owned.
I wouldn't expect Cloud's effect to be anything more than very minor.
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11/21/2015 8:45:46 AM#184
Man, FFX is barely above 53% in the U.S. and Canada.

when did America turn on FF so much

Also Melee is at 63%+ in the U.S. and Canada so expect it to keep rising to high heaven.
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they didn't

just ff10!
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11/21/2015 8:47:10 AM#186
FFIX lost to KH1 in America!
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LeonhartFour posted...
when did America turn on FF so much

finally taking a stand against the fact that it's called "final" fantasy and yet they keep making more of them. talk about misleading!

even worse for ffx, it has a direct sequel!
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LeonhartFour posted...
Eh, Chrono Trigger has the furthest thing from Nintendo trends you can possibly have.


Same with Snake, hence Samus/Snake. We are all relatively confident that Nintendo fans will favor CT over FFX and VII (should it make it there), but Melee? It could easily lose that support, and that could make all the difference.
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11/21/2015 8:50:51 AM#189
We've always blamed Snake/Samus on NINTENDO FANS TURNED ON SNAKE, but that's still just a theory more than anything. They didn't seem to turn on him that much when he faced Link last time. The Samus/Tifa match was a fluke for obvious reasons, and Samus still looked pretty beastly that year otherwise.

Oh right, I guess there was Zelda's performance in the female bracket final or whatever.

But keep in mind that Bowser and Ganondorf getting 40% on Sephiroth in the Villains Contest made a lot of people think Mario could take on Sephiroth and Mario won two updates in 24 hours. Two.

You always get weird results late in the contest here and there. Samus being naturally stronger than Snake in 2006 isn't that farfetched. They were still practically equal in 2010 and Snake beat her outright in 2013 (albeit under extreme circumstances).
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If Link (the ultimate king of SFF) couldn't lay a SFF beating on Snake, i don't think any Nintendo character could.

Unless you are telling me LInk actually rSFF'd his way to victory, and that Snake was actually the stronger character, i am fine with this explanation too.
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wait why is Chrono Trigger getting SFF'd now, and not over the last decade plus?
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11/21/2015 9:08:29 AM#192
Nintendo fans will turn on it for Melee, not but for LTTP.
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Melee stealing CT Nintendo support sounds like a big case of Smash spin to me. Don't think it has any real basis at all.
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transcience posted...
wait why is Chrono Trigger getting SFF'd now, and not over the last decade plus?


We've only seen it twice, and in 2009 - when Nintendo dominance had more or less set in around here - it lost to a Mario game that was held back by another Mario game. It's gotten weaker since the last time we saw it 1v1 again Nintendo games (nearly 12 years ago), and we obviously couldn't say anything about the strength or weakness of its Nintendo ties there.

I'm not making any insane claims. Just saying that CT should relatively win the Nintendo vote against FFVII/X (would anyone really argue against that), and might lose a chunk of those fans to Melee. It could easily happen.

Though with the way Melee is rising, it might have the intrinsic strength to win outright without the need for any late-contest Nintendo wackiness.
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11/21/2015 9:13:23 AM#195
CaptainOfCrush posted...
it lost to a Mario game that was held back by another Mario game.


It also lost by nearly the same amount when you removed the Mario game and threw in FFVII.

4-ways don't make sense.
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Also, Leon is totally right most people didn't play or own CT on the SNES. PS1 is probably the way most people here played it that wasn't through emulation, or one of the other ports. In any case, the idea of CT would have been so heavily ingrained as its own entity at this point that whatever Nintendo support its getting is absolutely not going to abandon it for a less popular, secondary Nintendo game like Melee. CT could hang with the best Marios right now, forget about Melee.
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Why would Nintendo fans particularly prefer melee to Chrono trigger?
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I mean let's be real here are we about to say Melee SFFs FF6?
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ZFS posted...
I mean let's be real here are we about to say Melee SFFs FF6?


think about it
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