machinegungeek posted...
haloiscoolisbak posted...
Is Melee still the favourite tomorrow?


Yep. Tomorrow should be pretty straightforward. TLOU > KHII is the only seemingly possible upset and even that's a real longshot.


Nah tomorrow's gonna be a crazy day.

I have GSC winning and FFX losing to Mega Man X.
-Zelmor- posted...
ME2 really laid an egg here, it could still conceivably win next round, but I'm not just liking its chances.


VLR is stronger than 999

It came out on multiple platforms and had more exposure.

Persona 4 after golden became really strong. Just look at persona 4 polls.

ME2 is doing very well here.
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POOTERSS posted...
machinegungeek posted...
haloiscoolisbak posted...
Is Melee still the favourite tomorrow?


Yep. Tomorrow should be pretty straightforward. TLOU > KHII is the only seemingly possible upset and even that's a real longshot.


Nah tomorrow's gonna be a crazy day.

I have GSC winning and FFX losing to Mega Man X.


There goes bracket
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
Kotetsu534 posted...
VLR held up a good bit better than I expected but woah what is that Destiny %. It can be the poster game for GameFAQs' rejection of new games, and that's been a highly contested role.


Except all of those other games have some respect and critical reception factor. Destiny was painfully average when it came out. If we had a contest of new games only it would be fodder in that contest too


I take it you hate Destiny, no?

The high playrate must speak something. It should get certain amount of votes for that.

999 and VLR would struggle as just about no one has played them. It would only take anti-votes for them to win.
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_Dog posted...
POOTERSS posted...
machinegungeek posted...
haloiscoolisbak posted...
Is Melee still the favourite tomorrow?


Yep. Tomorrow should be pretty straightforward. TLOU > KHII is the only seemingly possible upset and even that's a real longshot.


Nah tomorrow's gonna be a crazy day.

I have GSC winning and FFX losing to Mega Man X.


There goes bracket


I'll be the won smiling when FFX goes down in flames heheheh.

I actually have FFX winning in my bracket, but SNES games and MMX just have looked so strong in the 1st round, I gotta lean with Mega Man X having made up the difference in strength.

Also Pokemon GSC beasted in round 1, it's a scary opponent for Melee.
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my stars of round 1 will be a lot different than Leonhart for sure. it's really hard to distinguish between what was the star and what was the turd. you could call this a star Starcraft performance or a miserable Destiny one and not be proven wrong until next round. with so many entries and so many years between proper contests, especially the 90s games or the ones behind SFF, it's hard to tell.
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Turd: the mgs series.
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Performance wise, I think MGS1 has looked the best out of the MGS series and has performed at level suggesting it should be the favorite over MGS3.
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GSC has like a 1% chance of taking out melee
MMX has an identically 0 chance of beating FFX
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Felt terrible about my MGS1 pick yesterday.

Feel much better about it now.
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Stars:

1. Chrono Trigger - This match might be overrated because it was first. Chrono Trigger went to town on a Ratchet and Clank game and got a percentage that I didn't even know it was capable of. 86% of the site hasn't even played Chrono Trigger! This was the first sign that Chrono Trigger was back in a big way.

2. Final Fantasy 6 - And if that wasn't enough, FF6 came a few days later and dropped 77% on Assassin's Creed 2. You could just as easily drop AC2 in the turd category but given what CT did, this looks like a trend.

3. Castlevania SOTN - SOTN struggled with the likes of Resident Evil 1 last we saw it. Here it is tripling up on Phoenix Wright which is made even more impressive given how PW was able to hang with Skyrim for a while.

4. Undertale - You know, there's no good metric for gauging Undertale. You could put it first with a bullet and not be wrong. The fact is that pre-rally, this little PC exclusive indie game from 2015 was able to stay within striking distance of Mass Effect 3 until the rally hit and finished the job.

5. Shadow of the Colossus - 73% on Team Fortress 2, especially after GOTD's fluke run against the MGS games, proves that it actually wasn't a fluke at all. SOTC is the rare art game that actually is a heavy hitter on this site. I'm as surprised as anyone.

6. Final Fantasy VII - The story here wasn't so much that FF7 impressed. Everyone was just so down on FF7 after the last few years have embarrassed it so much. FF7 didn't get anti-voted and put up a big number on Journey, a well-liked indie game.

7. Zelda: Wind Waker - SFF on Pokemon X/Y? Yeah, maybe. Sometimes we forget just how strong Zelda and Final Fantasy are, even the second and third tier games. Wind Waker is one that was set up to impress and it did just that.

8. Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Look, OOT is contest royalty. You expect huge things. 90% was always a possibility here just because of how beloved OOT is. But you still have to give props when it actually happens.

9. Persona 4 - If you set VLR and 999 equal, Persona 4 is basically equivalent to Mass Effect 2. Persona 3 just went down quietly to a Dragon Quest title so Persona 4's performance was all the more surprising. It's probably due to 999 weakness as much as anything but it was still an impressive showing for what is ostensibly a cult RPG. This wasn't Vyse/Laharl - it was more like Tifa/Vyse.

10. Earthbound - Few old games had as many reasons to boost as Earthbound, but it still destroyed a GOTY with very little effort. Earthbound has never won any match ever so it was nice to see it finally do something of note.
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Turds:

1. Call of Duty 4 - Look, I love Super Metroid. I want it to seem like a world-beater. But I just can't get over the massive failure of modern FPS games this year. I'm pinning up that beautiful 79% effort to Call of Duty 4 being an absolute joke more than I am Super Metroid becoming a top 20 game on this website.

2. Super Mario Maker - A game with Mario in the title just got nearly doubled by a Fire Emblem game. If it's pure weakness then that's just bad. If it's SFF then that might be even worse - you just got SFFed by a Fire Emblem game.

3. Metal Gear Solid 4 - 41% on Kingdom Hearts 2. What happened to you, man? You were hanging with Brawl and beating Fallout 3.

4. Halo 3 - I think that Last of Us blowout is the result of just modern FPS games being worth zilch. I'll be really curious to see if KH2 can double it and make things look totally wonky. Thanks, Halo.

5. Skyrim - This might actually be the most significant bomb that we've seen. Rally aftereffects or not, Skyrim couldn't double a Phoenix Wright game. GOTY and GOTD polls make it look like a top 10 game on this website and almost definitely the game of this decade. Match results suggest it might lose to Goldeneye.

6. Pokemon Red/Blue - Boy is this game lucky that it can ride the currents of a rally. Pokemon failing to hit 70% on Tetris is not very good for a game that has somehow become the consensus #2 on the site.

7. Final Fantasy VIII - Every other Final Fantasy either hit expectations or exceeded them. Maybe it's underestimating GTA but this was destined to go 58/42 before the Undertale rally saved it a little.

8. Destiny - This was always a possibility, but wow, Destiny underwhelmed in a pretty hilarious way. This match was debated too. It's like a reverse Vincent/Kerrigan.

9. Super Mario Galaxy 2 - Losing to Mass Effect isn't an insane result or anything. Watching it lose while Galaxy 1 nearly doubled Dragon Age though? Galaxy 2 is in that camp of Wii games no one played or cared about. Kinda crazy for what is a top 10 all time rated game with the Mario name on it.

10. Metal Gear Solid V - DEBOOST. Or just 2015 games suck. Either way.
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_Dog posted...
Yuri_LowelI posted...
Kotetsu534 posted...
VLR held up a good bit better than I expected but woah what is that Destiny %. It can be the poster game for GameFAQs' rejection of new games, and that's been a highly contested role.


Except all of those other games have some respect and critical reception factor. Destiny was painfully average when it came out. If we had a contest of new games only it would be fodder in that contest too


I take it you hate Destiny, no?

The high playrate must speak something. It should get certain amount of votes for that.

999 and VLR would struggle as just about no one has played them. It would only take anti-votes for them to win.


Playrate means Jacks***.

Monster Hunter has a huge Playrate on gamefaqs. It got soundly beaten by friggin Suikoden.

My point is unlike the other modern games destiny has absolutely nothing going for it. At least with games like BioShock Cal of duty 4 and gtav they had a ton of critical reception and respect among gaming communities. Destiny has nothing. Its the weakest game in this contest.
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I really doubt either Destiny or Monster Hunter actually have a good playrate here. World of Warcraft has probably been on the top 100 ever since it was released, but based on polls for each in 2014, it has a lower playrate than Earthbound. And of course there's Draven bombing to Chie while League of Legends was in the top 10 - the latter part later being pointed to quite often by redditors as a sign of the game's strength when people correctly told them League was worthless on this site.

Just because an individual game is getting a ton of hits doesn't mean the rest of the site gives the slightest damn. Especially if it's an online multiplayer game that has an addicted fanbase which plays for 10,000 hours or whatever and gets updates for people to complain about.
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Destiny has a high playrate. Monster hunter does not. End of discussion.

Destiny is getting exposed. I think it would be competitive with indie fodder, but something with equally high playrate and name recognition? It's going to get crushed. Tetris would probably be doing just as well if not better in this match.

Speaking of Tetris, with the whole oldFAQs revolution I don't know how you can call Pokemons 68% an underperformance. I'm feeling confident next round.
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No way RBY is a turd. It had a decent showing.
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It was literally the turd of the round. I'll still excuse Skyrim because it was really unfortunate, though not as strong as some might have expected, it seemed just about enough strong to give Metroid Prime a good run.
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
Destiny has a high playrate. Monster hunter does not. End of discussion.

Destiny is getting exposed. I think it would be competitive with indie fodder, but something with equally high playrate and name recognition? It's going to get crushed. Tetris would probably be doing just as well if not better in this match.

Speaking of Tetris, with the whole oldFAQs revolution I don't know how you can call Pokemons 68% an underperformance. I'm feeling confident next round.


And Super Mario Bros. 3 is much older than RBY by the way.
If you assume no SFF (debatable) RBY did as expected, Tetris does have strength.
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BGE3: Today's Matches MGS3>Mother 3, BioShock>SH2, Starcraft>Destiny, ME2>VLR
Points 53/60
charmander6000 posted...
If you assume no SFF (debatable) RBY did as expected, Tetris does have strength.


This. Tetris isn't a slouch
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So MGS3's struggling with Mother, Starcraft is crushing Destiny almost as badly as ME2 is crushing VLR. I would think Destiny is stronger than VLR...

...Starcraft to division final?
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I would put Chrono Trigger in the 70s against Tetris. same with FF7 or LTTP. not impressed by RBY.
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I still can't fathom how Mother 3 is holding up so well against MGS3! To me, this is another pretty big disappoinment for the Metal Gear series. I had no idea Mother 3 had this kind of potential. Can you imagine the game's potential popularity if Nintendo would just release it in the US and Europe?

MGS3 is only doing a few points better than Devil May Cry 3 did, which got nearly doubled by Metroid Prime. Can anyone skilled in the art of x-stats calculate how MGS3 would do against Metroid Prime based on a constant Mother 3?
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There really is no good reason for any SFF between RBY and Pokemon tthough. Literally everyone has played Tetris, it's a good performance.
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cyko posted...
MGS3 is only doing a few points better than Devil May Cry 3 did, which got nearly doubled by Metroid Prime. Can anyone skilled in the art of x-stats calculate how MGS3 would do against Metroid Prime based on a constant Mother 3?


I get MGS3 scoring 41.14% on 2010 Metroid Prime, but Master of X-Stats Leon can confirm or deny this.
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Earthbound aka mother 2 did look mightily impressive yesterday though.

Anyway, if you think there is a sharp MGS3 drop, it probably loses to Bioshock next round. Bioshock was worth 44% against KH2 back in 2010.
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I like to think this is Mother 3 boosting and having a degree of strength more than anything.

Bioshock's percentage on Silent Hill 2 makes it look weak compared to its GOTD value too, doesn't it?
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Based on Game of the Decade, Bioshock was projected to get 69.31% on Silent Hill 2.

But I think there's a better way to show how poorly Bioshock is performing in this match.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4110-southwest-division-round-1-gta-vice-city-vs-silent-hill-2
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I would put Chrono Trigger in the 70s against Tetris. same with FF7 or LTTP. not impressed by RBY.

At best CT would barely break 70%. If Mega Man 2 = Mega Man 3 then Tetris is about as strong as FFIV which is worth about 30-40% (LFF doesn't help us) on SMB3/SMW.
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BGE3: Today's Matches MGS3>Mother 3, BioShock>SH2, Starcraft>Destiny, ME2>VLR
Points 53/60
spooky96 posted...
It was literally the turd of the round. I'll still excuse Skyrim because it was really unfortunate, though not as strong as some might have expected, it seemed just about enough strong to give Metroid Prime a good run.


This was an unfortunate reminder of how we all doubted Prime's strength between the 2009 contest and GOTD due to its crappy performance in the former.

Speaking of which, part of me thinks maybe Prime has always been a solid midcarder and at least one of GTA/KH was much stronger in 2009. To be fair we KNOW that Kingdom Hearts declined in popularity between the 2009 contest and the 2010 contests.
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How does world of war craft or Chrono cross not make top 10 star or turd.

It did strong on at least one of those fronts.
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swirIdude posted...
cyko posted...
MGS3 is only doing a few points better than Devil May Cry 3 did, which got nearly doubled by Metroid Prime. Can anyone skilled in the art of x-stats calculate how MGS3 would do against Metroid Prime based on a constant Mother 3?


I get MGS3 scoring 41.14% on 2010 Metroid Prime, but Master of X-Stats Leon can confirm or deny this.



To me, that is the final sign that Metal Gear as a whole (except the original) looks to have dropped quite a bit this year. Based on the GotD x-stats and my personal expectations, MGS3 is supposed to be about even with Metroid Prime. This showing today is a total embarrasment.
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voltch posted...
How does world of war craft or Chrono cross not make top 10 star or turd.

It did strong on at least one of those fronts.


did it? I had Chrono Cross with like 58% and I think it got 59. that match seemed expected.
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Poor MGS3, now it's only worth 41% against Metroid Prime, i mean even pathetic Morrowind manged to score 37% against Metroid Prime.

MGS3 probably goes on and gets doubled by Bioshock.
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transcience posted...
my stars of round 1 will be a lot different than Leonhart for sure. it's really hard to distinguish between what was the star and what was the turd. you could call this a star Starcraft performance or a miserable Destiny one and not be proven wrong until next round. with so many entries and so many years between proper contests, especially the 90s games or the ones behind SFF, it's hard to tell.


They weren't that different!
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11/20/2015 8:59:55 AM#139
AxemRedRanger posted...
Based on Game of the Decade, Bioshock was projected to get 69.31% on Silent Hill 2.

But I think there's a better way to show how poorly Bioshock is performing in this match.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4110-southwest-division-round-1-gta-vice-city-vs-silent-hill-2


Aw yeah FFVIII strength validated yet again
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voltch posted...
How does world of war craft or Chrono cross not make top 10 star or turd.

It did strong on at least one of those fronts.

Wow is expected to do bad. Everyone hates it.

Chrono Cross performed well, paper mario got around the same numbers in gotd, and this year pm got 40 on re4

also about MGS underperforming as a whole, I'm wondering if it had to do with replayability. It definitely has a great story but if you play it again, you already know what's going to happen and you're gonna notice gameplay design flaws a lot more. Then you have mgs4 which is 33% story
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ME2>MGS3 still looking ok, glad I didn't take it over the original.

What does Phoenix Wright get on VLR?
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t_kizzle posted...
What does Phoenix Wright get on VLR?


Phoenix Wright should win that, but I have no clue by how much. Pretty sure half the voterbase will abstain <_<
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After R1:

Changes I wish I could make:

MGS2 > RE4
-Knew it was risky, but didn't expect the entire MGS to take a step down / slightly underperform

FFX > CT and SSBM > FFX
-I think CT is looking like the favorite to win that division

Uncharted 2 > Sonic 2
-No love for the newer games this year

GTA:SA > Chrono Cross
-Blah.

Things I feel better about:

Super Metroid > SMG
SMB3 > RBY
Starcraft > ME2
FFVII > FFVI
FE > DKC2

Still Questioning:

MGS > MGS3
MP > Skyrim
SMW > SMB3
GTAV > SMRPG
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swirIdude posted...
So MGS3's struggling with Mother, Starcraft is crushing Destiny almost as badly as ME2 is crushing VLR. I would think Destiny is stronger than VLR...

...Starcraft to division final?


It's in play.
Oh wow, Mass Effect 2.

...

Splatoon should beat VLR, right?
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Probably yeah, but it wouldn't be by that much and VLR might get a rally in a close match I think.
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Okay I can maybe sorta understand being underwhelmed by MGS3 getting only 70ish on Mother 3 but I think I just saw someone say it's going to lose to the game that's getting 60ish on Silent Hill 2
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whatisurnameplz posted...
voltch posted...
How does world of war craft or Chrono cross not make top 10 star or turd.

It did strong on at least one of those fronts.

Wow is expected to do bad. Everyone hates it.

Chrono Cross performed well, paper mario got around the same numbers in gotd, and this year pm got 40 on re4

also about MGS underperforming as a whole, I'm wondering if it had to do with replayability. It definitely has a great story but if you play it again, you already know what's going to happen and you're gonna notice gameplay design flaws a lot more. Then you have mgs4 which is 33% story


MGS games are very replayable.
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