11/16/2015 4:36:27 PM#251
Yeah, but that doesn't mean GTA loses to just anything. Vice City was getting 42% on FFVIII before the rally kicked in.

And before San Andreas lost to Golden Sun, it did this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4104-south-division-round-1-gta-san-andreas-vs-dead-space
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I imagine Shovel Knight is fairly popular. It was one of the few indie(this is an indie game right?) that I remember seeing some pre-release hype about, and it seemed to live up to it.

Don't know if that means anything. I hope it wins because I picked it for some reason otherwise I don't know.
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LeonhartFour posted...
What's the logic behind Shovel Knight > San Andreas?

RacistFAQs or...?

Is Shovel Knight that much more popular than I realized?

I'm guessing people thought GTA would really suck and get anti-voted a ton, which seems to be wrong based on how well VC held up against FFVIII pre-rally.
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Don't see Shovel Knight winning, short of an Undertale-like rally.
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MechanicalWall posted...
Final Fantasy X isn't even the best game with Final Fantasy X in the title, though.


Good post
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LeonhartFour posted...
What's the logic behind Shovel Knight > San Andreas?

RacistFAQs or...?

Is Shovel Knight that much more popular than I realized?


Shovel Knight has been super popular, especially on Nintendo platforms, but it's on basically everything -- PS4, PC, Xbox, Wii U, 3DS. I didn't expect this site, in its current state to care too much for GTA, and Shovel Knight is a total throwback to classic games. But it's a platformer and after seeing Galaxy 2 I'm not so sure. As far as indie games go, though, I think it'll be the most popular one.
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Minecraft > Halo was probably more likely than Shovel Knight > San Andreas, and that didn't happen.
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11/16/2015 4:40:07 PM#259
I feel like indie games have a pretty low ceiling, barring rally power a la Undertale.

I guess we'll see!
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shovel knight is popular in the context of indie games. it's like super meat boy tier.
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iphonesience
Nah, I never even considered Minecraft. It's not this site's kind of game, but then, I guess platformers really aren't either.
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Minecraft easily could have won if it would have been rallied.
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ZFS posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
What's the logic behind Shovel Knight > San Andreas?

RacistFAQs or...?

Is Shovel Knight that much more popular than I realized?


Shovel Knight has been super popular, especially on Nintendo platforms, but it's on basically everything -- PS4, PC, Xbox, Wii U, 3DS. I didn't expect this site, in its current state to care too much for GTA, and Shovel Knight is a total throwback to classic games. But it's a platformer and after seeing Galaxy 2 I'm not so sure. As far as indie games go, though, I think it'll be the most popular one.


Stronger than Minecraft? I'm skeptical.
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Would you take Shovel Knight to put up ~45% against 2009 Oblivion? Because San Andreas did.
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Minecraft is totally different to anything else in this contest. no game in the world is like Minecraft.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Minecraft easily could have won if it would have been rallied.

The same could be said for any game in the contest.
SwiftyDC posted...
They don't boost at all. If anything, they get anti-voted.


Yeah, I considered that as well. GTA isn't exactly strong here to begin with, so seeing more than one in the poll at once probably hurts them. I'm kind of counting on GTAV's presence to help solidify it as a "big bad mainstreamer game" for the indie gamers to rally against.

RyoCaliente posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
What's the logic behind Shovel Knight > San Andreas?

RacistFAQs or...?

Is Shovel Knight that much more popular than I realized?


Haven't you been on this site since like forever? GFaqs hates GTA with a passion.


My logic was a combination of RacistFAQs, GTA just generally being weak on this site, and the possibility of a creator rally like the one that gave us Recette Lemongrass > Travis Touchdown in CBIX. I checked the developer profile for Shovel Knight on this site and there were literally no other games listed so it seemed like a possibility.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Minecraft easily could have won if it would have been rallied.


Any game in a close match can win if rallies. This seems like a dumb metric of strength.
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theawesomestevr posted...
The same could be said for any game in the contest.


Yes, but some games are more prone to rallies than others. Undertale and Minecraft are more prone to rallies than Ratchet & Clank 3.
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What does that have to do with anything anyway
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ZFS posted...
Any game in a close match can win if rallies. This seems like a dumb metric of strength.


It's not a metric of strength, it's a factor that indicates that it did have a chance of winning its match. Your "it isn't this site's kind of game so it had 0% chance" way of looking at it is a bit too simple.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
theawesomestevr posted...
The same could be said for any game in the contest.


Yes, but some games are more prone to rallies than others. Undertale and Minecraft are more prone to rallies than Ratchet & Clank 3.


I didn't think Minecraft was rally-prone. WOS is a horrible genre on this site.

But, yeah, "prone to rallies" was a consideration for why I took Shovel Knight. Indie games seem to have a greater chance of being rallied.
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ZFS posted...
What does that have to do with anything anyway


What do you mean?
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TsunamiXXVIII posted...
I didn't think Minecraft was rally-prone. WOS is a horrible genre on this site.


This site doesn't matter in rallies - not necessarily, at least (Nick's Chrono Trigger rally would be an example of a case where this site does matter in rallies). Undertale didn't win because it's extremely popular on this site.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

It's not a metric of strength, it's a factor that indicates that it did have a chance of winning its match. Your "it isn't this site's kind of game so it had 0% chance" way of looking at it is a bit too simple.


I never said 0%, I said I never considered it because it isn't this site's kind of game. What game won!
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You can say that a game is more likely to get a rally than another game, but if a rally does happen (however unlikely it was), that game will probably win no matter what.
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It's too bad today wasn't Earthbound vs. Call of Duty... that would probably have like a 15% prediction percentage.
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11/16/2015 5:59:11 PM#278
Eh, I would've been pretty tempted to pick Earthbound against CoD4. That game looks worse every time we see it.
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CoD4's looking like the poster game for the utter collapse of most 7th gen (or more recent) games. From taking 35% of the vote against SMG, Pokemon RSE and TF2 to being fodderised by Super Metroid is one heck of a fall. CoD once had a character avoid a doubling against MMX too!
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ROUND 1 – DAY 13 – TOP OF DIVISION 7

Match XLIX: (1) Grand Theft Auto V vs. (16) Shenmue

Previous Performance

Grand Theft Auto V – N/A
N/A

Shenmue – 2010
20.62% against The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Analysis

A lot has been discussed about Grand Theft Auto V’s strength in this contest. Almost on any other gaming site it would be a powerhouse and while the series had strength in the past it mostly performed below our expectation. Vice City’s performance on Final Fantasy VIII however, may indicate that GameFAQs may have changed its perception on the series.

Regardless GTAV will easily win this match. Shenmue fans are quite loyal; the only problem is that there are so few of them. The main thing we’ll be looking at is if the game has enough strength to survive the second round and beyond. Anything above a tripling would put GTAV into contention, but I am not convinced that it will perform that well.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Grand Theft Auto V > Shenmue

charmander6000’s Prediction: Grand Theft Auto V wins, 73.16% - 26.84%



Match L: (8) The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion vs. (9) Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

Previous Performance

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion – 2010
62.45% against Soul Calibur II
55.17% against Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
43.80% against The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars – 2009
31.73% against GoldenEye 007, Resident Evil 2, Donkey Kong Country 2
17.03% against Final Fantasy VII, GoldenEye 007, Mario Kart 64

Analysis

This match is considered to be the most important match of the round. The winner here will probably be the favourite to advance to the division finals. Oblivion looked pretty good back in 2010, but its current strength has been the subject to some debate. One popular argument is that the game is weaker because Skyrim is the new game of the series. I don’t agree with this, just because it is no longer relevant doesn’t mean people forgot about the game. We rarely see a new game cause a drastic drop in strength of the older game.

Personally I would have no issue taking SMRPG over any of the Paper Mario games and I fully think the game can at least match Oblivion’s number against TTYD. Super Mario RPG put up good numbers against GoldenEye 007 back in 2009 and could have even been equal to the game had it not been for DKC2. This match could be seen as a preview for the Skyrim/GoldenEye match that is schedule for round 2.

I know Oblivion put up good numbers against The Wind Waker, but I think some people have forgotten how good Super Mario RPG looked back in 2009. I wouldn’t expect Wind Waker to win by much, if it even does.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Super Mario RPG > TESIV: Oblivion

charmander6000’s Prediction: Super Mario RPG wins, 54.72% - 45.28%
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Points 38/44
Match LI: (5) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas vs. (12) Shovel Knight

Previous Performance

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas – 2010
65.45% against Dead Space
46.31% against Golden Sun

Shovel Knight – N/A
N/A

Analysis

Indie games aren’t too popular on GameFAQs, but if there was one it’d most likely be Shovel Knight. It’s the type of game people on GameFAQs would like to play and it has relatively decent popularity. With that said I don’t expect it to do much outside of a heavy rally.

San Andreas may have lost to Golden Sun, but it lost in one of the most imbalanced ways from match picture to the release of Golden Sun 3 on the day of the match. Of course that’s ignoring the fact that Golden Sun had some strength back then. After Vice City’s performance San Andreas could have a decent performance here, assuming it wasn’t FFVIII that took the drop.

Another thing to look for is to see whether two GTAs in the same match have any effect. We probably won’t know for sure until later, but if they both over or under perform it could be something to look out for in the future.

charmander6000’s Bracket: GTA: San Andreas > Shovel Knight

charmander6000’s Prediction: GTA: San Andreas wins, 67.36% - 32.64%



Match LII: (4) World of Warcraft vs. (13) Chrono Cross

Previous Performance

World of Warcraft – 2010
58.55% against Animal Crossing
40.85% against Paper Mario

Chrono Cross – 2010
61.89% against Dragon Quest VIII
32.90% against The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask

Analysis

This match will have a big difference between gurus and casual support. On one side World of Warcraft has always enjoyed strong bracket support while on the other side Chrono Cross has stats. Chrono Cross looked pretty good back in 2010. Almost 33% on the eventual champion looks better than almost 41% against Paper Mario.

If anything World of Warcraft has a bigger reason to perform badly, subscriptions are down to about half of what they were back in 2010 and the amount of people that have played the game on GameFAQs is still laughable when you look at the poll of the day polls. While a rally is possible the game has never gotten a rally that would make a huge a difference and I don’t see that changing now.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Chrono Cross > World of Warcraft

charmander6000’s Prediction: Chrono Cross wins, 59.25% - 40.75%
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Man I'm gonna look stupid today.
I thought I took WoW for some reason in my bracket, checked and I picked Chrono Cross

whew

inb4 WoW then wins
AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
Man I'm gonna look stupid today.


did you forget CC was an JRPG from the PS1

remember the flowcharts friend
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TheKoolAidShoto posted...
AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
Man I'm gonna look stupid today.


did you forget CC was an JRPG from the PS1

remember the flowcharts friend


I clearly forgot.
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I don't think he needs advice
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is it safe to say that tomorrow is the biggest round 1 day in the contest? Lotta potential toss ups. If I'm wrong on SMRPG my bracket is done, i have it going to the division finals...
11/16/2015 7:44:31 PM#288
These matches are pretty big, yeah, because this division is the one wide open division in the contest, at least in the upper half.
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transience posted...
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I don't think he needs advice


That won't last wrong. I was much smarter about worthless 1 point matches than I was with multi-point matches and anything later in my bracket.
enjoy it while you can! I think I'm going to show up on the leaderboard tonight if enough people pick Bloodborne.
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Who's the favorite between EarthBound vs Borderlands 2. I know Old vs New is a thing but I can't pull the trigger on EarthBound
transience posted...
enjoy it while you can! I think I'm going to show up on the leaderboard tonight if enough people pick Bloodborne.


I always do.
11/16/2015 7:52:11 PM#293
Borderlands is a 60/40 favorite in the Guru, but the trends seem to favor EarthBound at this point, I think.

I hope this is the exception to the rule though.
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the flowcharts, Leon

plus its close enough to Undertale to gain its powers
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11/16/2015 7:58:39 PM#295
I just want EarthBound to lose so badly

even to my own detriment
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11/16/2015 8:07:24 PM#297
Earthbound is another one I was gonna pick for which I think I'll regret listening to the board and switching.
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Oh yea, I guess raytan won.
11/16/2015 8:45:16 PM#300
Eh, EarthBound can still easily lose that match. It's always been weak.
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