GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1208
There was already an anti-Brawl campaign by the time it got to TP. TP just wasn't strong enough to take advantage of it. Considering the 3DS remake of MM, that match seems like an open-and-shut case to me honestly. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I agree Majora wouldn't beat Brawl without the anti-Brawl thing, but TP probably overperformed on Brawl as well though. --- My old signature was really outdated. I haven't thought of a proper new one yet. |
I'd take TP over MM. Bring it on. --- satoru iwata |
It
was definitely bigger in the final than it was during the TP/Brawl
match. Look at Majora's first hour. No other game did anything like that
against Brawl post-Melee. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Plus, Brawl got TP in a 12 hour day match, which was definitely favorable for Brawl. Brawl got 50.61% in the last 12 hours of the final against Majora, for whatever it's worth. That would project to a 52.17% win for Majora. Hardly "open and shut." --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
It's
actually kind of funny in Majora's case. It probably loses to FFX or
Brawl if either of those matches were 12 hour matches or not the
semis/finals. It's gotten a bit of an overblown reputation from winning
GOTD, and people are quick to discredit TP, for whatever the reason. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... It's actually kind of funny in Majora's case. It probably loses to FFX or Brawl if either of those matches were 12 hour matches or not the semis/finals. It's gotten a bit of an overblown reputation from winning GOTD, and people are quick to discredit TP, for whatever the reason. At least personally, I would bet on TP kind of going the way Brawl and MGS4 have gone, as it just feels that it belongs in that group of games (was very hyped, has suffered some backlash since, has had flaws exposed, etc) and it has the negative of being associated with the weakening Wii. On the other had, MM has had reason to boost since GOTD, so that it's current raw strength should be sort of close what it showed there. Then again, in an actual match, it comes down to SFF. Do the OoT fans favor the other N64 Zelda or go for the more similar TP? I'm pretty sure most agree MM wins that, but I could see it being debatable. I would take MM in terms of raw strength these days pretty easily though (dat OldFAQs resurgence that has destroyed my poor bracket...). |
TP
did pretty much as expected against Skies of Arcadia, so it's probably
fine. TP has the additional bonus of being a GameCube game as well. And the bonus of being Zelda, meaning it's probably more "recession-proof" than most franchises. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif (edited 11/15/2015 3:04:59 PM)report |
I
would go with MM, since it has a "passion" advantage, and in a close
SFF match like that, I would think that would give it the edge.*
Wouldn't be shocked if TP won though. I've always been fairly suspicious
of MM's GOTD performance. *Not that the "passion" advantage helped Melee against Brawl any. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. Congrats to CBIX Guru Winner *Raytan*! (edited 11/15/2015 3:04:05 PM)report |
Tp isnt so strong now. The remake does nothing. Its on the friggin wii u and its a resolution bump. Wii u games are garbage. Majora has definitely become stronger since the remake.. Seriously TP is being vastly overrated http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4257-what-is-your-all-time-favorite-console-legend-of-zelda-game That was 2011. Mm is stronger now probably wind waker too. If tp was serious it wouldnt have looked so weak. Thats a good measure of where zelda games stand and like is said id bump wind waker and majora. --- http://k09.kn3.net/1256263BF.gif |
LOLContests posted... I would go with MM, since it has a "passion" advantage, and in a close SFF match like that, I would think that would give it the edge.* Wouldn't be shocked if TP won though. I've always been fairly suspicious of MM's GOTD performance. Why? Brawl lost fair and square. Dont give me it was anti vote bollocks. If brawl was so strong people wouldnt antivote it so much. Yes majora got lucky against ffx. But it beat brawl in a fair fight. Im so f***ing glad that piece of s*** isnt in this contest. Brawl winning gotd would have been worse than draven. Now its not even a contest. Majora is stronger now. But it would lose to lttp comfortably. --- http://k09.kn3.net/1256263BF.gif (edited 11/15/2015 3:11:12 PM)report |
1000 more votes for Majora than TP in that Zelda poll and there's no room for debate huh --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
I don't think any game came into this contest more overrated than Majora's Mask. I almost want it to crash and burn! --- satoru iwata |
LeonhartFour posted... 1000 more votes for Majora than TP in that Zelda poll and there's no room for debate huh Thats in 2011. Also you have to consider SFF. --- http://k09.kn3.net/1256263BF.gif |
I
was kind of looking forward to seeing if Majora had a good upset
waiting in the wings for it, but alas, it was not meant to be! Most Zelda games got pretty boring paths, although in OoT's case, there's really nothing you can do about that. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Yuri_LowelI posted... Thats in 2011. Yes, I am aware that was in 2011. You are assuming TP has deteriorated since then based on...what? And yes, I know you have to consider SFF. It does not automatically favor Majora and I'm not sure why you'd be so certain it does! --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
I
get the sense that MM has been trending upwards out of sync with the
rest of Zelda on the internet in general and on Gamefaqs as well- it
could very easily fall well short of what it needs to match ALttP but
I'm expecting this to be the strongest version of Majora we've seen. --- Christopher Christopher Christopher Christopher |
ZFS posted... I don't think any game came into this contest more overrated than Majora's Mask. I almost want it to crash and burn! Would be hilarious to see it best lttp somehow. --- http://k09.kn3.net/1256263BF.gif |
I'd love to see Majora beat LttP, just from a personal standpoint, but I don't see it. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... Yuri_LowelI posted...Thats in 2011. Because wii. Skyward sword and brawl deteriorated. If we had this contest in 2013 skyward sword gets nominated and so does brawl. Even if tp didnt get weaker.....wind waker and majora have had proper remakes. --- http://k09.kn3.net/1256263BF.gif |
TP is not a Wii-exclusive and a lot of people don't associate it with the Wii. TP is more likely to beat Majora than lose to Wind Waker though, I think. People who think it's got a legit shot at FFVI are a little crazy! --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
TP
probably loses if only because it's the newer game. Majora doesn't
really feel like an old game though since its boost is more recent. I've said loudly that MM has zero chance against LTTP though. curious to see that one. --- add the c and back away iphonesience |
LeonhartFour posted... TP is not a Wii-exclusive and a lot of people don't associate it with the Wii. Based on what? I dont think so. Wind waker beats it for me too. Mm is the gotd AND it got a 3ds remake this year....as in 2015. I dont know if you knew that. Theres no logic pointing to tp being stronger. That zelda poll further proves the zelda hierarchy. Its a pretty accurate one. --- http://k09.kn3.net/1256263BF.gif |
Also,
you can't argue TP HD is meaningless because the Wii U is garbage and
then tout Wind Waker having a Wii U remake as an advantage over TP. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Yuri_LowelI posted... That zelda poll further proves the zelda hierarchy. Its a pretty accurate one. LOL Favorites polls being an accurate representation of contest strength that's a good one --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5997-which-mario-character-is-your-all-time-favorite Seems accurate --- BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:LttP>CS, FFIV>DE, MGSV>PD, DS>Civilization V Points 34/40 |
still wonder why Rosalina wasn't in that poll |
it's still garbage they dumped Waluigi for Bowser Jr. the literal worst Nintendo character it still amazes me Bowser can have such a terrible son I guess genes aren't everything --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... Yuri_LowelI posted...That zelda poll further proves the zelda hierarchy. Its a pretty accurate one. Well oot is #1 and lttp #2. And thats accurate contest strength. Also tp is a pretender. It failed in gotd. Majora did what TP couldnt do and thats take out the trash. Theres nothing to suggest it does anything to majora. --- http://k09.kn3.net/1256263BF.gif |
Yes, OoT and LttP are the top two, and nobody will debate that (Actually, I guess some people are
debating that). They're also taking up nearly 57% of the poll. You're
acting like Majora having 9.6% and TP having 8.2% is some unassailable
strength gap. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif (edited 11/15/2015 3:37:34 PM)report |
There's
no real reason to expect any kind of fall from TP. On top of being
ZELDA, it doesn't occupy any spot for people as an 'overrated' game nor
even the worst 3D Zelda or whatever. If anything, Skyward Sword helped
TP by being the concentration of most people's hate. The HD port will
only help it, too, because you take away the motion controls and
everyone gets happier. Besides all that, it's one of the most 'Zelda'
Zelda games ever. --- satoru iwata (edited 11/15/2015 3:41:52 PM)report |
Anyway
back to the topic on hand, MM/TP is easily more debatable than LttP/MM.
I still think MM is legit and TP would win via its own strength, not
MM's weakness. You can't really argue a 53/47 match to be simple, but
like MP/HL2 this may end up with the board heavily siding with MM. --- BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:LttP>CS, FFIV>DE, MGSV>PD, DS>Civilization V Points 34/40 |
LttP would 60-40 any Zelda game not named OoT. --- Hello, I'm Chris! https://media.giphy.com/media/2ZtIpjwFFjLHLNREpCU/giphy.gif |
I
would pick Majora against TP, but the arguments here in that favor are
terrible. They don't look too far apart, but in a direct matchup, being
from the N64 era and having the same mechanics as OoT probably helps. What the hell is up with "getting lucky against ffx but beating brawl in a fair fight"? It would've beat neither had Brawl not beat Melee. And Brawl not being in the contest had absolutely nothing to do with the console it's on. It's because Smash 4 was released. --- Ctesjbuvf posting on his phone. |
AlecTrevelyan006 posted... There we go Congratulations on pointing out something that I already admitted was wrong, and trying to use hindsight to make yourself look smart. I could go back to previous topics where you said something stupid, but I have more productive things to do with my time. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy -trancer1 lol xstats |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... AlecTrevelyan006 posted...There we go Damn Alec didn't even have to bet for your testicles to take them You didn't even need hindsight to look smart. Every single one of us said MGSV was going to be weaker than at minimum MGS1 and 3. It didn't take a lot of insight to figure out lol. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
that's what he gets for supporting weeaboo games --- xyzzy |
Technically,
I don't think many people said they thought MGS was stronger than MGS5.
Although, this is mostly because they never considered MGS5 to be
strong enough to even be in the comparison. --- No amount of rallying would let me beat raytan7585. Congrats to raytan7585 for winning the CB9 Guru Contest! |
Only read the last couple pages. Is there a reason why we are debating TP vs MM? I think MM may have had it's prestige boosted a bit by winning GOTD. Still it should be a very close thing indirectly. But MM should be the favorite. BT, MGSV had zero chance to be anything better than #3 MGS game. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
OoT > ALttP > MM I'm pretty confident that this is the top 3. The others just don't have the power to match them. --- Video Games are pretty cool. |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... Oh, I say stupid stuff all the time. You wouldn't have to look very far. Probably not even multiple topics. That said, it wasn't hindsight. Everyone disagreed at the time. And if we can't make fun of each other for dumb stands we took, then what kind of stats topic is this? |
MM/LttP
is the best LoZ-match we could ask for. I'd rather see TP face WW than
MM. Say what you want about GotD, but MM beat WW and the game that
beat TP...it deserves its shot at LttP first. MM3D also just came out this year, and 27.5% of the site owns it so far: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6040-15-years-later-got-majoras-mask Ports and age alone aren't game changers, but MM was already the strongest game here since OoT and now people had a good reason to play it again. Compare that to LttP which is now one of the five oldest games in the bracket. It's hard to say that just doesn't matter. SM64 barely lost to LttP -- is SM64 really without question the #2 N64-game? MM should not be disregarded and I like its chances for the upset. --- M E N: nominate Metal Man in 20XX! http://i.imgur.com/Dr4NAeq.png |
HaRRicH posted... MM3D also just came out this year, and 27.5% of the site owns it so far: That poll actually shows a 45.96% ownership rate. Overall, the poll shows a playrate of 68.68%, which is only slightly higher than Wind Waker's playrate. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
ROUND 1 – DAY 12 – BOTTOM OF DIVISION 6 Match XLV: (3) Super Metroid vs. (14) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Previous Performance Super Metroid – 2009 35.29% against Super Mario Kart, Sonic 3, Gunstar Heroes 18.89% against LoZ: A Link to the Past, Super Mario Kart, Donkey Kong Country 16.50% against LoZ: A Link to the Past, Final Fantasy VI, LoZ: Link’s Awakening Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare – 2010 62.92% against Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 55.43% against Perfect Dark 30.64% against Super Smash Bros. Melee Analysis Super Metroid will actually get a chance to flex its muscles instead of getting fed to Link to the Past. Without much data I feel the game does have quite a bit of strength and I am a bit surprised it is such an underdog for next round. I don’t think people are giving Super Mario Kart much credit which lowered their opinion on Super Metroid. Remember they almost broke 60% on Sonic 3 while suffering LFF from each other. I have quite low expectations for Modern Warfare. The game was already dropping in strength in 2010 and given that GameFAQs is becoming increasingly turned off from the series a blowout from this former Game of the Year is the expected result. If Modern Warfare does drop significantly I wouldn’t be surprised if Super Metroid puts up Melee-like numbers. charmander6000’s Bracket: Super Metroid > CoD4: Modern Warfare charmander6000’s Prediction: Super Metroid wins, 66.74% - 33.26% Match XLVI: (6) Super Mario Galaxy vs. (11) Dragon Age: Origins Previous Performance Super Mario Galaxy – 2010 75.79% against Beyond Good & Evil 59.90% against Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald 37.73% against The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Dragon Age: Origins – 2010 69.21% against F-Zero GX 31.13% against The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Analysis Interestingly enough both of these games went up against Twilight Princess during the 2010 contest. While Super Mario Galaxy went up against Twilight Princess I feel that the SFF was minimal, if it was existent. Given its previous performances I find it hard to believe it is significantly stronger than what it already got. Since 2010 Dragon Age has become a series, though depending on who you ask fans still see Dragon Age: Origins as the best game in the series. Inquisition was released about a year ago and has brought in more fans. I’m not entirely convinced that the game will be significantly stronger, but I feel it will at least maintain its strength. Using their matches against Twilight Princess Super Mario Galaxy is expected to get 58.75% on Dragon Age. charmander6000’s Bracket: Super Mario Galaxy > Dragon Age: Origins charmander6000’s Prediction: Super Mario Galaxy wins, 57.34% - 42.66% --- BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:LttP>CS, FFIV>DE, MGSV>PD, DS>Civilization V Points 34/40 |
Match XLVII: (7) Bloodborne vs. (10) Final Fantasy XII Previous Performance Bloodborne – N/A N/A Final Fantasy XII – 2010 55.65% against Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII 40.02% against Portal Analysis The perception of Final Fantasy XII has changed over the past few years. While it may still not be loved among the masses it is no longer hated and may have a bit of respect going for it. Only getting 40% against Portal is not very impressive, but that may be enough to win this match. Bloodborne was released earlier this year and given the performances of 2015 games that is not exactly a good thing. When Mario and Metal Gear are looking bad there is not much hope for a new IP. While poll of the day polls don’t mean much it is a bit telling that Bloodborne went from hyped to average at the mid-way point of the year. charmander6000’s Bracket: Final Fantasy XII > Bloodborne charmander6000’s Prediction: Final Fantasy XII wins, 64.52% - 35.48% Match XLVIII: (2) The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask vs. (15) Valkyria Chronicles Previous Performance The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask – 2010 83.40% against Wii Sports 67.10% against Chrono Cross 55.95% against Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal 56.79% against The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 57.70% against Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 50.11% against Final Fantasy X 50.52% against Super Smash Bros. Brawl Valkyria Chronicles – 2010 52.41% against Disgaea: Hour of Darkness 23.56% against Super Smash Bros. Brawl Analysis Oddly enough the two games here shared a common opponent in 2010 and those scores should give you an idea on the type of beating to expect from Majora’s Mask. There has been some debate that Majora’s Mask was stronger in 2010 either because fans used it as a pseudo-Ocarina of Time or that it got a bandwagon. For the latter the numbers seems to suggest that Majora’s Mask was at around FFX and SSBB’s strength. Maybe fans pushed it over the edge, but it is not significantly weaker. I also don’t really agree with the idea that fans transferred their loyalty from Ocarina of Time to Majora’s Mask. Any fan that would have thought to do that would have already liked the game enough to vote for it in the first place. Overall I expect at least a tripling out of Majora’s Mask, but if it wants to challenge Link to the Past for the title of second strongest Zelda then it is going to have to do better. charmander6000’s Bracket: LoZ: Majora’s Mask > Valkyria Chronicles charmander6000’s Prediction: LoZ: Majora’s Mask wins, 77.84% - 22.16% --- BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:LttP>CS, FFIV>DE, MGSV>PD, DS>Civilization V Points 34/40 |
-LusterSoldier- posted... HaRRicH posted...MM3D also just came out this year, and 27.5% of the site owns it so far: I was speaking specifically to the 3D remake, not total ownership. The point's meant to be that MM has a good proven reason to be on people's minds lately, whereas LttP does no have that factor. Since total ownership came up though, you could compare it to LttP's ownership-poll from 2005: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2183-do-you-own-a-copy-of-a-link-to-the-past LttP has the advantage there if you think that info holds up decently. --- M E N: nominate Metal Man in 20XX! http://i.imgur.com/Dr4NAeq.png (edited 11/15/2015 6:36:42 PM)report |
Link
to the Past being old is absolutely not a disadvantage on GameFAQs,
come on now. Beside that, it's also been readily and easily available
through multiple platforms since its original release. It's not a game
people have forgotten generally, but on GameFAQs? It's like royalty!
I'm sooner willing to say LTTP is our clear #2 game before giving MM
good chances at an upset. --- satoru iwata |
Age
can too be a disadvantage -- that's why SMW caught up to SMB3 and the
Gurus are picking SMW > SMB3 (ignoring Pokemon RBY). I get your point, but neither LttP nor MM are spring chickens; they're both from most of our demographic's glory years. It's a similar situation here as SMB3/SMW, with two close games a generation apart. SMB3/SMW are just two years apart despite the generation-gap...while LttP/MM are nine years apart. If SMW can make up ground with age, so can MM. LttP likely wins the playrate battle, no dispute there, but it's also been a long time since anything more updated than a Virtual Console release came for it. MM is fresh on people's minds again with its 3D remake. As if MM hasn't already changed its perception enough since its release, that's one more way to continue building on its legacy's momentum. --- M E N: nominate Metal Man in 20XX! http://i.imgur.com/Dr4NAeq.png |
MM
has no chance against LTTP. It's true that newer games gained ground
on older games in past years- but since the last contest, older games
have gained ground, not newer ones. Plus, SMW may have gained strength
relative to SMB3 as the NES generation lost some power on Gamefaqs. But
the SNES/N64/PS1 generations have been firmly in control of this site
for many years now, and have not relinquished it at all. The average
date of birth of this site has been frozen around 1988 for about 5
years. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
Also,
as bad an argument as hierarchies are, it's just difficult to imagine
LTTP losing to any Nintendo game other than OOT and RBY- RBY because the
fanbase is different enough that it's not caught up in the whole
Nintendo hierarchy thing. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
