KamikazePotato posted...
Advokaiser posted...
...What does lol x-stats say about Okami vs. Warcraft III today?


Warcraft 3 is predicted to get 37.84% in this match.


Whoa! Thanks. I'm actually pretty surprised because I predicted 62.24% for Okami, so this means that I was off by a 0.08% margin!
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WhiteLens posted...
aw f***

kingdom hearts losing

there goes bracket


tossed my s*** across the room a few hours ago..f***ing kiddies
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Advokaiser posted...
Hey guys, I have a doubt. According to these polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4086-east-division-round-1-warcraft-iii-vs-morrowind
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6077-best-game-ever-day-7-metroid-prime-vs-morrowind
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4167-northeast-division-round-3-metroid-prime-vs-okami

...What does lol x-stats say about Okami vs. Warcraft III today?

Okami is projected by those to get 56.29% here.
KP's 37.84% Warcraft value solely uses GotD x-stats.
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Metroid Prime's division in GotD (which included Okami and Half-Life 2) is overrated. If you account for that, every match in 2015 so far looks pretty much on the nose.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Okami doing so well here is an outlier to the general trend, though even then it's still marginally underperforming.
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SlugSh0t posted...
Metal_DK posted...
SlugSh0t posted...
....., not gonna keep that block goin for length reasons

I admit that usually the "you just dont understand it" argument is flawed, but in MGS2's case its absolutely true.

As both DaruniaTheGoron and I have said in this very topic (in response to a guy who played it once and doesn't like heavy story in their games.....which btw again is laughable that he is playing MGS to begin with): read some good blog posts, youtube videos analyzing the game. Its message exists on multiple levels. The fact that to this day people still complain about MGS2 Raiden shows how brilliant Kojima is, and how people still do not understand the whole overlying arc of the MGS series' message. Its like Kojima is Snake. Both were in their primes in MGS2.

My post was "extremely condescending"? How so? Because i spoke my mind? Because i don't use dumb phrases like "imo" everywhere when i challenge people or even just speak my mind? Its what i believe. I think that the vast majority of people who think MGS2 is the worst, or "convoluted to the point of it being dumb" don't take the time to really read into the message.


Dude I didn't read after the first couple lines. I won't reply directly to that. Not because I don't think that perhaps some of the things you have to say have merit, but because your opinion is too far set in stone.. Just reread your first sentence and tell me if me continuing to argue with you is going to lead anywhere.


Dude, I'm not trying to piss you off, it just doesn't seem like you understood the point of MGS2. At all. Please keep reading because I'm not being hostile here. Let's keep it civil. Completely refusing to understand Kojima's intent is stubbornness. You call the story convoluted and you say Raiden is a p**** etc etc without understand Kojima designed it this way on purpose to make a statement about gaming and expectations.


MGS2 was massively massively hyped. Kojima looked at that and hype of previous successful games with sequels and intentionally designed MGS2 as a game that completely turned expectations on their head. He correctly anticipated the exact visceral reaction you have towards Raiden. Raiden was created to be a p**** on purpose. Because Raiden is a reflection of the angry gamer who wants to play as a badass soldier like Solid Snake. Raiden is a whiny b**** because he's not Snake. The player is a whiny b**** because he is not Snake. The whole point of the game is to say you are NOT Snake. It's a game and the ending drives home you need to go out and create your own legacy instead of living someone else's in various forms of pop media entertainment which at the end of the day are largely meaningless in life.

The story of MGS2 is intentionally inconsistent and ludicrous to make you question the reality of MGS2 and being part of a virtual reality program, much like the movie Inception has some inconsistencies and hints for the same reason.


It then ties in with the greater overall message of the game with postmodern concepts about modern evolution and how flawed modern "truths" are decided by society with an overflow of information especially on the internet, which are brilliantly explored in the climax with your conversation with the AIs.


Read more here:
http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/DOTM_TOC.htm

Is this link long: YES. But if you are questioning what I said above, it's going to take more than a couple minutes to prove it.
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Okami has a chance at beating FF9 next round. Would you take Metroid Prime easily over Kingdom Hearts? (I would, even before this match.) Okami scored 42% on MP, and I think it's stronger now.

Still think FF9/KH beats Okami which is why I have KH > Okami in my bracket, but food for thought.
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I'm starting to get nervous about Banjo-Kazooie/Baldur's Gate II. If this wasn't a Nintendo 64 title going up against a PC title I'd be really freaked out.
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Points 27/32
Okami has a chance at beating FF9 next round. Would you take Metroid Prime easily over Kingdom Hearts? (I would, even before this match.) Okami scored 42% on MP, and I think it's stronger now.

I would've taken FF9/KH over Metroid Prime,
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BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:OoT>Hearthstone, Suikoden II>MH4U, Okami>Warcraft III, FFIX>KH
Points 27/32
youtuber superbunnyhop has a pretty good video on it as well. His MGS3 analysis video is pretty good too
charmander6000 posted...
Okami has a chance at beating FF9 next round. Would you take Metroid Prime easily over Kingdom Hearts? (I would, even before this match.) Okami scored 42% on MP, and I think it's stronger now.

I would've taken FF9/KH over Metroid Prime,


Personally I'd say FF9 > Prime > KH > Okami > Half-life 2 but all really close
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Having sat down to read and watch several analyses of what MGS2's plot is trying to convey, a good amount of which I caught while playing anyway, I can say its a commendable effort. The meta-narrative and the way Kojima played with the expectations (to whichever degree intended) was also quite interesting.

However, it is obvious that it stretched the narrative and characters in order to fit the MGS cannon into that vision at points and quite often, it didn't manage to weave it organically into the game. Therefore, I can totally see how people (and there are people who "got it" but still dislike it mind you) don't feel it deserves much credit.

It's similar to the No More Hereos situation. That also tinkered around with a "meta-narrative", sometimes including things to drive home a point that quite often didn't help the product itself mechanically and generaly tried to play around with expectations.

It's really up to how tolerant you are to design decisions that may not directly improve the gaming experience (whether it is gameplay, characters or narrative) but help create a wider commentary.

That said MGS3>MGS=MGS2>MGS4>I didn't bother wth MGSV :)
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i wake up to see KH down by like 850 with less than half the match to go

there goes bracket

if I went 4/4 today I could've been on the leaderboard

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I'd love to see Okami win next round, but I can't see it. It shouldn't be a blowout, but I expect FFIX to score a comfortable 55-45 win.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3467-division-6-round-1-gtavc-k-hearts-metroid-prime-paper-mario

Even when adding 100% of Paper Mario's votes to MP, KH1 still wins. KH1 has gotten weaker and MP has probably gotten stronger, but I would still give the edge to KH1 today.
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Looks like today is my first and last day on the leaderboard :/
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Oh yea, I guess raytan won.
FFIX breaks 900 and still rising. I called this match over after the 3rd update last night, but if KH is going to do anything, it'll probably be in about an hour, when the famed ASV traditionally hits.
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I’m not so sure, assuming the proportion of Canada to US has remained constant Canada alone is negating about 40% of US’s votes. Even though Europe is going to sleep FFIX still has Latin America, Asia and New Zealand and even Australia is barely supporting Kingdom Hearts. At best KH’s will likely fall short if it even comes back.
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Points 27/32
Trends have been all over the place. Even still, I'm surprised KH is still bleeding this badly. But anything is possible with KH's oldschool ASV... even though KH2 didn't really hit it who knows.

Feeling pretty good about FF9
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Let's talk about Ocarina of Time putting 90%

we all talked about different games getting blowout of the some worried hearthstone would rally

but ocarina shuts it all down what a beast

Really, though, nothing stands a chance. Ocarina is straight up gross in how popular it is. Pretty cool.
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I still don't understand how this game is so popular.
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ZFS posted...
Let's talk about Ocarina of Time putting 90%

we all talked about different games getting blowout of the some worried hearthstone would rally

but ocarina shuts it all down what a beast

Really, though, nothing stands a chance. Ocarina is straight up gross in how popular it is. Pretty cool.


Pretty much. This site continues to remain a haven for Nintendo fans. Zelda and Nintendo are very popular on some other sites, but I've never seem such a stronghold like at gamefaqs.
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ZFS posted...
Let's talk about Ocarina of Time putting 90%

we all talked about different games getting blowout of the some worried hearthstone would rally

but ocarina shuts it all down what a beast

Really, though, nothing stands a chance. Ocarina is straight up gross in how popular it is. Pretty cool.


Well if there had been a rally it wouldn't be that way. (maybe Ocarina would have still won but not in a lol 90-10)
But I guess I was right in that the core of the hearthstone reddit wouldn't support a rally and that twitch rallies are just not possible.

Also KH is doomed at this point right ?
Safer_777 posted...
I still don't understand how this game is so popular.


best game ever
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Averia posted...
ZFS posted...
Let's talk about Ocarina of Time putting 90%

we all talked about different games getting blowout of the some worried hearthstone would rally

but ocarina shuts it all down what a beast

Really, though, nothing stands a chance. Ocarina is straight up gross in how popular it is. Pretty cool.


Well if there had been a rally it wouldn't be that way. (maybe Ocarina would have still won but not in a lol 90-10)
But I guess I was right in that the core of the hearthstone reddit wouldn't support a rally and that twitch rallies are just not possible.

Also KH is doomed at this point right ?


Not ready to call it until 4.
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Fairly big cut there after several stalls...
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http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=6086&num=2


can't believe this site is still f***ing up after so many years lol..
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Safer_777 posted...
I still don't understand how this game is so popular.


It's the best game ever created. That's why. And on top of that, it also happens to be one of the most important and revolutionary games ever created as well, being that every 3d adventure game after has taken things from it as a basis. easy to see why.
I was wondering what kind of rally would be needed for Hearthstone to defeat OoT. By my calculation OoT is set to win by about 33k, but of course a rally would have some backfire rate. A while back I calculated the percent of votes that backfired in Draven’s first two rounds and I got about 10% which essentially means for every 10 votes Draven only went up by 8. If we do the same here that increases the votes needed to 41250. Add in that Zelda fans would likely fight back and we see what kind of army is needed for such an operation, even with our vote totals.
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BGE3: Today's Matches LoZ:OoT>Hearthstone, Suikoden II>MH4U, Okami>Warcraft III, FFIX>KH
Points 27/32
Safer_777 posted...
I still don't understand how this game is so popular.


FFVII fanboys wouldnt.

IT's my personal fav game of all time. The game was ridiculously good when it first came out.
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charmander6000 posted...
I was wondering what kind of rally would be needed for Hearthstone to defeat OoT. By my calculation OoT is set to win by about 33k, but of course a rally would have some backfire rate. A while back I calculated the percent of votes that backfired in Draven’s first two rounds and I got about 10% which essentially means for every 10 votes Draven only went up by 8. If we do the same here that increases the votes needed to 41250. Add in that Zelda fans would likely fight back and we see what kind of army is needed for such an operation, even with our vote totals.


Ocarina of Time>Link>The Legend of Zelda. (Series) It took blatant cheating to BARELY beat Link with a rally never seen before. It would take someone proxy servering like never before to ever have a chance at beating Ocarina of Time like that.
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Metal_DK posted...
Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).


No it's the worst because the only thing i remember is the damn music theme. It's just a forgettable game. I can remember everything about MGS1 and 3.

MGS3 blows it out of the water.


MGS2 is so filled with WTF it's impossible for it not to be memorable! Even if not necessarily in a good way.

It's my least favorite MGS that I've beaten (the others being 1, 3, and 4), but I'd say it's right around the level of the others anyway. I felt like the endgame stuff justified Raiden's annoying personality.
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Charmander, according to SBAllen, 40% of the rallied votes in Link/Draven went to Link. That matches up pretty well with what we observed in the updates. If that holds up here, we're looking at a rally of around 150,000 votes needed here.
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For Hearthstone to win here it would've needed a Draven-level effort from the word go. The chances of that happening were always insanely slim.
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Metal_DK posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Metal_DK posted...
Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).


No it's the worst because the only thing i remember is the damn music theme. It's just a forgettable game. I can remember everything about MGS1 and 3.

MGS3 blows it out of the water.


You probably dont remember anything about it because you never took any time to understand anything the game is saying. Sure it gets confusing, but if you read any halfway decent blog/forum post or youtube video on it, you might realize its greatness.

Also you might be the first person to describe it as forgettable. Its anything but.


I love MGS2, but seriously the game's biggest fans are so darn pretentious. Then again Metal Gear in general is, and MGS2 takes it up to eleven, but I do appreciate the game's tackling of complex themes as something that helps offset MGS2's otherwise weak plot compared to 1/3/4.

Plus I do ultimately like Raiden and Solidus, and it's MGS2 where Ocelot truly becomes a magnificent bastard. Honestly, MGS2's lasting legacy is probably its introduction of things that would, for better or worse, come to define the series as a whole.
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Monster Hunter's performance is proof that the polls need to be shown across the entire site. Given it's rating, it's active board, and it's position in the top 100, it should have enough fans to keep this close. I can only assume that they're not voting. I don't think that Suikoden II could get more than 12% on Ocarina.
Charmander, according to SBAllen, 40% of the rallied votes in Link/Draven went to Link. That matches up pretty well with what we observed in the updates. If that holds up here, we're looking at a rally of around 150,000 votes needed here.

Wasn't that total rallying though? To be fair Zelda fans were ready for that match too.
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Points 27/32
red sox 777 posted...
Charmander, according to SBAllen, 40% of the rallied votes in Link/Draven went to Link. That matches up pretty well with what we observed in the updates. If that holds up here, we're looking at a rally of around 150,000 votes needed here.


to be fair, that's because Link got counterrallies

of course, the same would apply here, so yeah lol Hearthstone
Monster Hunter's performance is proof that the polls need to be shown across the entire site. Given it's rating, it's active board, and it's position in the top 100, it should have enough fans to keep this close. I can only assume that they're not voting. I don't think that Suikoden II could get more than 12% on Ocarina.

Active boards don't mean much. This site is stuck in the 90s and early 00s.
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Points 27/32
KamikazePotato posted...
For Hearthstone to win here it would've needed a Draven-level effort from the word go. The chances of that happening were always insanely slim.


Still wouldn't have been enough. Link you can understand why some (not very perceptive) people might not like him as a character, not understanding what he is and what he stands for, that's fair enough. Or that it's about actuall power in the character battle, in which case Link is not the strongest either, and therefore vote against him. But my god in heaven, it would be virtually impossible to get a large group of people to vote against Ocarina of Time in a Best game ever contest. If 40% of Draven drones went to Link, I'd say 60% of Hearthstone drones would go to Ocarina of Time. Vote stuffing is the only way this could ever ever happen.
PLEASE enough of the MGS discussion can we take this to a separate topic, this is a stats topic.

by the way MGS2 is the best, intellectuals and philosophers know this
SlugSh0t posted...
Metal_DK posted...
Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).




SPOILERS FOR MGS2 below

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This has to be the most biased and condescending post relating to MGS game comparisons I have ever seen. Solid Snake >>>> MGS2 Raiden. This opinion is so widely regarded as true, that it might as well be a fact.. But it cant be can it, because it's an opinion. No, I don't want to play as a "macho tough guy". I wanted to play as the main character of the series, who is a calm and collected true soldier who during MGS1 gave actual great insight on different scenarios, and for the most part acted very rationally to everything tossed at him. Not one who would constantly b**** to his girlfriend and superiors, and was nothing more than a VR puppet. The fact that Solid Snake looks like an actual soldier is just a bonus. The story was also extremely self-absorbed and convoluted(not in any sort of good way)..It ventured off way into the realm of terrible sci-fi with having lame ass boss scenarios like with Fortune in general(especially at the end).. Then you had something as terrible as liquid snake living on through ocelots f***ing planted arm. A plot point that was so f***ing terrible that kojima retconned it in MGS4.

Best gameplay? Are you f***ing kidding me? Every single MGS game afterwards improved on it. That's what MGS games generally do. As far as zones and stuff. It wasn't bad. The game overall was decent, it just failed or was extremely mediocre in so many areas. It pales in comparison to MGS1/MGS3 especially. As for "having to play as solid snake". No, I don't have to, and I don't hold anything due to that against MGS3/MGS5. The fact is, I would just much have rather played as Solid Snake than the overall failure in comparison known as MGS2 Raiden.


And just a post after saying that MGS2's fans are pretentious I feel like defending Raiden. I do feel like he was more relatable than Snake and has appeal that way.

For me I appreciate MGS2 having a plot much deeper than most games (or most anything really), and that does make up for the game's other shortcomings...but most of the characters aren't interesting and the plot is practically incomprehensible (though I was still able to get invested in what was going on), so nyah nyah.
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Then00bAvenger posted...
Yeah, I think characters tend to feel more alive and engrossing when they're characters the protagonist interacts with rather than the protagonist itself. In that sense, Snake in 2 is probably my favorite Snake


Ack no I liked Snake more in MGS1!

I like Snake as much as the next guy but for some reason he always seemed like a bit of a generic character archetype. Oh, a very cool one, but still.
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SlugSh0t posted...
Metal_DK posted...
SlugSh0t posted...
Metal_DK posted...
Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).




SPOILERS FOR MGS2 below

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This has to be the most biased and condescending post relating to MGS game comparisons I have ever seen. Solid Snake >>>> MGS2 Raiden. This opinion is so widely regarded as true, that it might as well be a fact.. But it cant be can it, because it's an opinion. No, I don't want to play as a "macho tough guy". I wanted to play as the main character of the series, who is a calm and collected true soldier who during MGS1 gave actual great insight on different scenarios, and for the most part acted very rationally to everything tossed at him. Not one who would constantly b**** to his girlfriend and superiors, and was nothing more than a VR puppet. The fact that Solid Snake looks like an actual soldier is just a bonus. The story was also extremely self-absorbed and convoluted(not in any sort of good way)..It ventured off way into the realm of terrible sci-fi with having lame ass boss scenarios like with Fortune in general(especially at the end).. Then you had something as terrible as liquid snake living on through ocelots f***ing planted arm. A plot point that was so f***ing terrible that kojima retconned it in MGS4.

Best gameplay? Are you f***ing kidding me? Every single MGS game afterwards improved on it. That's what MGS games generally do. As far as zones and stuff. It wasn't bad. The game overall was decent, it just failed or was extremely mediocre in so many areas. It pales in comparison to MGS1/MGS3 especially. As for "having to play as solid snake". No, I don't have to, and I don't hold anything due to that against MGS3/MGS5. The fact is, I would just much have rather played as Solid Snake than the overall failure in comparison known as MGS2 Raiden.


You practically just proved everything i typed. Congrats.


In other words, you can't argue for s***. The fact that you hold MGS2s story so high in prestige alone tells me you have terrible taste.


WTF is this nonsense, someone has terrible taste just because it's different? Ack!
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KamikazePotato posted...
For every pretentious MGS2 fan there's at least two obnoxious MGS3/Big Boss fans


I was gonna post the same thing here. MGS3 fans are the worst.
This is the worst stats topic, ever.

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