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I have a bad feeling about my FF9 pick. That 52% in USA is going to cut down its lead by a large amount for the rest of the day, and close matches usually end in favour of the one making a comeback.
We Europeans hate Kingdom Hearts so much that we voted for Hitler over it.

Even if it's Disney it's still an awful game America!
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I was calling the match over a lot of hours ago! As always USA messes things up.
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700 lead broken
700 vote barrier BREACHED
Oops i did it again
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AxemRedRanger posted...
Swarles_Barkley posted...
AxemRedRanger posted...
Assuming we don't count percentage changes before the freeze, it's probably this, at least for matches from 2010 onward:

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=4115&num=2


I was going for "swing" in the sense of going from losing to winning, although I worded that badly. That sure is a massive % swing though.
Oh.

Well, there's this:
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=1610&num=2
We're missing a lot of updates but Street Fighter II was neck and neck with SMRPG and sometimes ahead for several hours before getting absolutely buried when North America woke up.

Also this:
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=1756&num=2
While Chief didn't end up winning, he did pull ahead for awhile after having earlier been below 40%.

Note that before 2006 vote start times were 1-3 hours later than they are now, which generally resulted in more extreme trends.


Love the Frog/Chief one. Not that trends back then compare to now, or that Frog/Chief compare to FFIX/KH in terms of trends (you could do a lot worse though) but, that said:

Frog's lead peaked at 2413 about an hour from where we are now in this match. Vote totals are doing ok so far, let's say they'll end around 40 000. Chief - Frog had 91041. For FFIX to have a Frog-level cushion its lead would have to go up to 1060.

I don't expect the swing to be quite as dramatic but I don't expect FFIX's lead to get anywhere near 1060 either. Should be good.
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Well, FFIX got to 700, instead of the 1000 I was looking for. That is.......probably enough but rather scary given what KH has done with the daytime in past years.
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Final Fantasy IX by the hour:

1:00 | 50.55%
2:00 | 48.91%
3:00 | 49.72%
4:00 | 53.27%
5:00 | 52.28%
6:00 | 54.11%
7:00 | 54.23%
8:00 | 52.66%
9:00 | 53.76%
10:00 | 51.21%

FFIX never blasted KH away with the night vote, but it's holding up quite well in the morning.
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Man, FF9 beating KH right now is the first truly shocking result of the contest for me - and I'm counting Undertale in that. I really thought I had my finger on the pulse of the site when it came to that hierarchy but apparently FFIX still has fans or something??????????????
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This is really when KH should get its ass straight and make a comeback attempt, 700 is a freakin' mountain in this era.
OH NOOOOO!!!

I just checked my bracket and apparently I did stick with Final Fantasy IX over Kingdom Hearts! I waffled back and forth so much on this match that I thought I stuck with KH...

So, what do I do? Do I cheer for Kingdom Hearts and my Oracle pick for a shot at the lead in the Oracle challenge? Or do I cheer for my Final Fantasy IX for my bracket and a chance at the Guru and the sitewide leaderboard?

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!! AAUUGGHHHH!!
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I knew Zelda: Ocarina of Time was going to win today, but it's pushing Hearthstone under 10%, wow!
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My bracket is doing surprisingly well considering I put it together practically randomly within 5 minutes.

Too bad it's DOA since I have DKC2 in the division finals lol
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Yesterday, at this point in the FFT match, 53.75% of votes for the day were already in by this point. Based on that, KH needs 51.96% of all remaining votes over the rest of the match to tie.
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Karma Hunter posted...
Man, FF9 beating KH right now is the first truly shocking result of the contest for me - and I'm counting Undertale in that. I really thought I had my finger on the pulse of the site when it came to that hierarchy but apparently FFIX still has fans or something??????????????

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5727-from-the-last-27-years-which-numbered-final-fantasy-title-is
There's also DDJ's early 2014 project where over 2000 gamefaqs users voted their 5 favorite games:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13V_sjThl_WvS6CzQ4cRAUMVcpIwuYy4MC6m9Uz8b6Zk/edit#gid=1647357978
What Vivi did last contest speaks for itself. And while it kind of got lost in the midst of Squirtle killing them both, Zidane put 43.58% on Dante.

There were lots of signs pointing to this. There's a reason FFIX was narrowly the guru favorite!
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red sox 777 posted...
Yesterday, at this point in the FFT match, 53.75% of votes for the day were already in by this point. Based on that, KH needs 51.96% of all remaining votes over the rest of the match to tie.


KH Needs like 55+% US/Canada vote then right? Not sure how big of a chunk US makes up
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Man Dante being lol is a contest tradition, and Vivi's run was a straight up fluke (if it was indicative of anything, FF9 would be killing KH a lot worse than 51%).

FF9 on its own without any other factors to buttress it has always been unimpressive to me. This is the first match I've seen where it's truly shining as a very strong game.
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MGS4 sucks compared to MGS1/MGS3. It's better than MGS2 though.
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SlugSh0t posted...
MGS4 sucks compared to MGS1/MGS3. It's better than MGS2 though.


MGS2 is the best MGS game....
Dark Silvergun posted...
I knew Zelda: Ocarina of Time was going to win today, but it's pushing Hearthstone under 10%, wow!


How many 16 seeds would OoT not be able to get 90%+ on(not including rallies)

- Rachet 3
- AC2
- AoE 2
- Phonix Wright
- Cave Story
- Shemue
- Splatoon

Probably only Shenmue and AC2
Metal_DK posted...
SlugSh0t posted...
MGS4 sucks compared to MGS1/MGS3. It's better than MGS2 though.


MGS2 is the best MGS game....


at doing what? worst villains, worst main character(he improved in 4), worst story, you f***ing sidelined solid f***ing snake, etc etc etf***ingcetra
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Metal_DK posted...
SlugSh0t posted...
MGS4 sucks compared to MGS1/MGS3. It's better than MGS2 though.


MGS2 is the best MGS game....


No it's not. MGS2 is 2nd worst ahead of MGS4.

Imo MGS>MGSV>MGS3>MGS2>MGS4
So today was split on just about every match guru-wise, and if FFIX holds, I would get everything right!

That is definitely a first this contest.
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Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).
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If there is one game series that I can't ever understand what is the most agreed ranking of it's game, it gotta be MGS
Probably why I took MGS4 to win it's match I guess
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SlugSh0t posted...
Metal_DK posted...
SlugSh0t posted...
MGS4 sucks compared to MGS1/MGS3. It's better than MGS2 though.


MGS2 is the best MGS game....


at doing what? worst villains, worst main character(he improved in 4), worst story, you f***ing sidelined solid f***ing snake, etc etc etf***ingcetra


15 years later people still don't "get" mgs2. Amazing.
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Metal_DK posted...
Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).


No it's the worst because the only thing i remember is the damn music theme. It's just a forgettable game. I can remember everything about MGS1 and 3.

MGS3 blows it out of the water.
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Nanis23 posted...
If there is one game series that I can't ever understand what is the most agreed ranking of it's game, it gotta be MGS
Probably why I took MGS4 to win it's match I guess


Right now for contest strength the safe bet is MGS > MGS3 > MGSV > MGS2 > MGS4.

I haven't played V yet but if you were going to shake up those rankings right now, shoot it above MGS3 because it's new. Same reason MGS4 was above MGS3 at one point and able to hang with FFX in 2009.
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Karma Hunter posted...
Man Dante being lol is a contest tradition, and Vivi's run was a straight up fluke (if it was indicative of anything, FF9 would be killing KH a lot worse than 51%).

FF9 on its own without any other factors to buttress it has always been unimpressive to me. This is the first match I've seen where it's truly shining as a very strong game.

Well if you only consider contest matches and completely disregard Zidane and Vivi's strong performances in 2013 (Vivi was definitely flukish but 2004-2010 Vivi never would have been strong enough to take advantage of those circumstances), then with how few contests we've had the last few years, of course you're going to have missed the FFIX boost!
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...
remember


Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Metal_DK posted...
Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).


No it's the worst because the only thing i remember is the damn music theme. It's just a forgettable game. I can remember everything about MGS1 and 2.

MGS3 blows it out of the water.


Play it again and pay attention. Also do research on the themes of mgs2 and consider the circumstances of its release. It's absolutely brilliant.
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Karma Hunter posted...
Nanis23 posted...
If there is one game series that I can't ever understand what is the most agreed ranking of it's game, it gotta be MGS
Probably why I took MGS4 to win it's match I guess


Right now for contest strength the safe bet is MGS > MGS3 > MGSV > MGS2 > MGS4.

I haven't played V yet but if you were going to shake up those rankings right now, shoot it above MGS3 because it's new. Same reason MGS4 was above MGS3 at one point and able to hang with FFX in 2009.


V is a complete unknown at this point.

It's a great game but it's not a great "traditional" MGS game and a lot of the fans are anal about it. I personally love it

I don't think it beats any of the other MGS right now. Not everyone has played it either.
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
remember


Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Metal_DK posted...
Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).


No it's the worst because the only thing i remember is the damn music theme. It's just a forgettable game. I can remember everything about MGS1 and 2.

MGS3 blows it out of the water.


Play it again and pay attention. Also do research on the themes of mgs2 and consider the circumstances of its release. It's absolutely brilliant.


I tried, got bored as soon as raiden sections came in.
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Metal_DK posted...
Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).


No it's the worst because the only thing i remember is the damn music theme. It's just a forgettable game. I can remember everything about MGS1 and 3.

MGS3 blows it out of the water.


You probably dont remember anything about it because you never took any time to understand anything the game is saying. Sure it gets confusing, but if you read any halfway decent blog/forum post or youtube video on it, you might realize its greatness.

Also you might be the first person to describe it as forgettable. Its anything but.
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Metal_DK posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Metal_DK posted...
Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).


No it's the worst because the only thing i remember is the damn music theme. It's just a forgettable game. I can remember everything about MGS1 and 3.

MGS3 blows it out of the water.


You probably dont remember anything about it because you never took any time to understand anything the game is saying. Sure it gets confusing, but if you read any halfway decent blog/forum post or youtube video on it, you might realize its greatness.


That has no bearing on my enjoyment of the game. The fact that i love V should tell you i do't value the story that much.

I just never felt like replaying it. MGSIV i only beat once too. I've beaten 1 and 3 multiple times and i've already put in nearly 200 hours on MGSV.
Newness and prestige matters a lot more than you'd think when it comes to things like MGSV. MGS4 nearly beat Brawl straight up in the GOTY polls when it was ridiculously new, and obvious that not even half the voters had played the game yet.
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if you dont value story then why the f*** are you playing an MGS game at all? Play splinter cell if you want pure stealth gameplay (which honestly does better than MGS in many ways).

There are much more efficient ways to maximize your gameplay:story ratio by playing something else.
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Metal_DK posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Metal_DK posted...
Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).


No it's the worst because the only thing i remember is the damn music theme. It's just a forgettable game. I can remember everything about MGS1 and 3.

MGS3 blows it out of the water.


You probably dont remember anything about it because you never took any time to understand anything the game is saying. Sure it gets confusing, but if you read any halfway decent blog/forum post or youtube video on it, you might realize its greatness.


That has no bearing on my enjoyment of the game. The fact that i love V should tell you i do't value the story that much.

I just never felt like replaying it. MGSIV i only beat once too. I've beaten 1 and 3 multiple times and i've already put in nearly 200 hours on MGSV.


Yeah loving mgsv speaks volumes about your care of the story/themes so agree to disagree on this one.
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MGS>MG3>??? - after those two who knows what the ordering is.

KH is only able to stall, it seems. This is what I was afraid of. The geo trends weren't going to be enough for it to win on their own.

Karma Hunter posted...
Man, FF9 beating KH right now is the first truly shocking result of the contest for me - and I'm counting Undertale in that. I really thought I had my finger on the pulse of the site when it came to that hierarchy but apparently FFIX still has fans or something??????????????

There were a number of people picking FF9 in the Oracle, and KH picks were mostly low 50's. Others have said the Guru had FF9 favored. Don't know about the BOP.

So this is only a mild upset. Nothing shocking to see here, move along.
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MGSV has the best gameplay for sure but to me I gets boring if there is little happening on a narrative level for 50 hours
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You know I can be aware that other people had different opinions on a match and still find it personally shocking I'm just sayin'
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Metal_DK posted...
Solid Snake was in his prime as a soldier, just because you didnt play as him doesnt mean he wasnt a badass.

Raiden "improving in 4" is basically just "i want a tough guy with little to no character development". MGS2 had the best theme to the game, and was the best overall gameplay. The boss fights might be amongst the worst, as 1, 3, and 4 definitely have more memorable ones overall (5 i'd say no tbh). Also the tanker portion is the best 2ish hours in the entire MGS franchise.

The people who don't like MGS2 honestly do not understand what the game represents on not just a surface level, but a deeper level as well.

Finally, the people who say "i wanted to play as snake, not raiden" (although you specifically didn't outright say this, it is said way too much by people who then don't shut up about how great MGS3 is) is code for "i wanted to play as a tough guy, not a more emotional guy".

Because if you think MGS2 is the worst for not playing as Snake, then you should HATE MGS3/MGS5 because snake isn't even in the damn games (hint, big boss isnt snake, learn what the entire message of the MGS series is).




SPOILERS FOR MGS2 below

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This has to be the most biased and condescending post relating to MGS game comparisons I have ever seen. Solid Snake >>>> MGS2 Raiden. This opinion is so widely regarded as true, that it might as well be a fact.. But it cant be can it, because it's an opinion. No, I don't want to play as a "macho tough guy". I wanted to play as the main character of the series, who is a calm and collected true soldier who during MGS1 gave actual great insight on different scenarios, and for the most part acted very rationally to everything tossed at him. Not one who would constantly b**** to his girlfriend and superiors, and was nothing more than a VR puppet. The fact that Solid Snake looks like an actual soldier is just a bonus. The story was also extremely self-absorbed and convoluted(not in any sort of good way)..It ventured off way into the realm of terrible sci-fi with having lame ass boss scenarios like with Fortune in general(especially at the end).. Then you had something as terrible as liquid snake living on through ocelots f***ing planted arm. A plot point that was so f***ing terrible that kojima retconned it in MGS4.

Best gameplay? Are you f***ing kidding me? Every single MGS game afterwards improved on it. That's what MGS games generally do. As far as zones and stuff. It wasn't bad. The game overall was decent, it just failed or was extremely mediocre in so many areas. It pales in comparison to MGS1/MGS3 especially. As for "having to play as solid snake". No, I don't have to, and I don't hold anything due to that against MGS3/MGS5. The fact is, I would just much have rather played as Solid Snake than the overall failure in comparison known as MGS2 Raiden.
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