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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

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Time to use em all on poor ol' 999.
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So what would be the strongest game(not counting rallies so don't say League of Legends) That wasn't nominated? Are we assuming brawl is even worth anything anymore. Skyward Sword certainly wouldn't be. Legend of Zelda NES maybe.
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
So what would be the strongest game(not counting rallies so don't say League of Legends) That wasn't nominated? Are we assuming brawl is even worth anything anymore. Skyward Sword certainly wouldn't be. Legend of Zelda NES maybe.


Super Mario Bros. 1 would be able to flex on a lot of weaker opponents.

But other than the obvious SMB1 and LoZ, I assume that anything actually strong would've made it. But I feel that there are some games not here that could go toe-to-toe with a lot of the borderline fodder games like Journey, Ratchet and Clank, and Age of Empires, such as Jak 2 or Silent Hill 3.
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I imagine Brawl would be at least SSB4 level
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MechanicalWall posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
So what would be the strongest game(not counting rallies so don't say League of Legends) That wasn't nominated? Are we assuming brawl is even worth anything anymore. Skyward Sword certainly wouldn't be. Legend of Zelda NES maybe.


Super Mario Bros. 1 would be able to flex on a lot of weaker opponents.

But other than the obvious SMB1 and LoZ, I assume that anything actually strong would've made it. But I feel that there are some games not here that could go toe-to-toe with a lot of the borderline fodder games like Journey, Ratchet and Clank, and Age of Empires, such as Jak 2 or Silent Hill 3.


Well it's to do with nomination leeches.

Links Awakening would wipe away most fodders and even some Midcarders. But you can't really expect so many zelda games to get in for such a spread out franchise.
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
MechanicalWall posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
So what would be the strongest game(not counting rallies so don't say League of Legends) That wasn't nominated? Are we assuming brawl is even worth anything anymore. Skyward Sword certainly wouldn't be. Legend of Zelda NES maybe.


Super Mario Bros. 1 would be able to flex on a lot of weaker opponents.

But other than the obvious SMB1 and LoZ, I assume that anything actually strong would've made it. But I feel that there are some games not here that could go toe-to-toe with a lot of the borderline fodder games like Journey, Ratchet and Clank, and Age of Empires, such as Jak 2 or Silent Hill 3.


Well it's to do with nomination leeches.

Links Awakening would wipe away most fodders and even some Midcarders. But you can't really expect so many zelda games to get in for such a spread out franchise.


So SFF, but for the nominations instead of the battles.
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Brawl and Super Mario Bros. are probably the strongest snubs, outside of more games from the same series there aren't too many snubs that wouldn't be fodder.

I made a list in another post based on the games from the best snub contest

Devil May Cry 3
God of War
Kirby Super Star
Mega Man 2
Mortal Kombat 2
Secret of Mana
South Park: The Stick of Truth
Star Fox 64
Street Fighter II

Not 100% sure they wouldn't be fodder. You could add Golden Sun and Pac-Man to the list.
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So SFF, but for the nominations instead of the battles.

Yup it's the biggest reason why we have no Mega Man games, even a series like Pokemon is quite underseeded.
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SM64 will probably SFF MK8 to the ground
Twilight Princess will 70%? Skies of Arcadia
Persona 4 will swipe the floor with 999 (70%?)

But is FFT RE2 even debateable or it's clear that FFT got this?
Is a RE2 HD remake hype going to have any effect or FFT easily got this?
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I doubt Brawl would have much of any strength in this contest. Almost everyone has moved on to Smash 4 and look back at Brawl as inferior in every way. It would have no good reason to be in this contest.
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charmander6000 posted...
South Park: The Stick of Truth


This would probably be annihilated in an instant, but the rest of that list seems on par with at least the likes of Ratchet and Clank and Journey. I didn't even realize Star Fox 64 wasn't in the contest; for a site that is supposedly entrenched in Nintendo nostalgia, that seems like a pretty noticeable exclusion.
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Would Persona 4 win by that much? I don't expect much out of 999, but this is a game that got 70/30 by RE4.

FFT/RE2 is still debatable, though FFT is the favourite.
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charmander6000 posted...
Brawl and Super Mario Bros. are probably the strongest snubs, outside of more games from the same series there aren't too many snubs that wouldn't be fodder.

I made a list in another post based on the games from the best snub contest

Devil May Cry 3
God of War
Kirby Super Star
Mega Man 2
Mortal Kombat 2
Secret of Mana
South Park: The Stick of Truth
Star Fox 64
Street Fighter II

Not 100% sure they wouldn't be fodder. You could add Golden Sun and Pac-Man to the list.


Pac-Man would sadly be fodder. Tetris is rather a pushover in these contests, and other games like it (where everyone knows it but doesn't really love it) are weaker, such as Space Invaders, Galaga, Pong, and other games of the time. Heck, you could probably put Angry Birds and to some extent Street Fighter II into the group.
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I doubt Brawl would have much of any strength in this contest. Almost everyone has moved on to Smash 4 and look back at Brawl as inferior in every way. It would have no good reason to be in this contest.

Just because it's inferior doesn't mean people have stopped liking it.
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not everyone is crazy about Smash like we are. Brawl would be fine, much better than 4 at any rate. it would have dropped because new games have dropped, but in the same way that like Galaxy will drop.
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While Tetris would defeat Pac-Man I think the game would have some strength. There was some talk in the past of making Pac-Man the character the fodder line, maybe the same could be said about the game (should it ever make it in a contest).
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charmander6000 posted...
I doubt Brawl would have much of any strength in this contest. Almost everyone has moved on to Smash 4 and look back at Brawl as inferior in every way. It would have no good reason to be in this contest.

Just because it's inferior doesn't mean people have stopped liking it.


I just don't see it beating any decently strong opponent. It isn't really liked much anymore and doesn't have the nostalgia of Melee. I honestly believe 4 is notably stronger than Brawl now.
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Scarlettail posted...
charmander6000 posted...
I doubt Brawl would have much of any strength in this contest. Almost everyone has moved on to Smash 4 and look back at Brawl as inferior in every way. It would have no good reason to be in this contest.

Just because it's inferior doesn't mean people have stopped liking it.


I just don't see it beating any decently strong opponent. It isn't really liked much anymore and doesn't have the nostalgia of Melee. I honestly believe 4 is notably stronger than Brawl now.


I don't agree. As one who frequently visits the Smash Wii U board, almost all who like the game also like Brawl--those that didn't like Brawl and like 4 are bound to prefer Melee over both of them anyway.

Brawl would do respectably in this contest.
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Also I don't think Golden Sun would be strong
Dark Dawn made me lose interest in this series, I am sure I am not the only one

Maybe Rayman 2? I dunno
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Rayman 2 would be fodder, unfortunately.
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charmander6000 posted...
Would Persona 4 win by that much? I don't expect much out of 999, but this is a game that got 70/30 by RE4.

FFT/RE2 is still debatable, though FFT is the favourite.


That was Pre Persona 4 Golden.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4444-whats-your-all-time-favorite-4-game - Pre P4G

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4958-best-of-2012-best-role-playing-game-japanese

GOTY

Bare in mind P4 is an enhanced port. Enhanced ports of games like FFX have done crap. Thats golden alone.


The exact same "4" poll 3 years laer

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5467-whats-your-all-time-favorite-4-game

Persona 4 is WAY stronger than it was in 2010. Thats not even up for debate.

This isn'tthe same game that barely beat Dead Rising. It's much much stronger now.
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And Persona 3 was supposed to beat Dragon Quest 8 easily.
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Safer_777 posted...
And Persona 3 was supposed to beat Dragon Quest 8 easily.


Theres no evidence for Persona 3 beating DQ just hope.

Persona 4 would beat DQ8 easily. doesn't mean Persona 3 would.

The only polls we have on P3 is getting more than doubled by FFIX and barely beating Civilisation IV. That was 2010.

Since then theres no evidence to show if P3 has gotten popular.
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I'm going to ignore the last poll and pretend Xenoblade>Persona 4 tbh!
1337gamerpr0 posted...
I'm going to ignore the last poll and pretend Xenoblade>Persona 4 tbh!


There goes bracket
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1337gamerpr0 posted...
I'm going to ignore the last poll and pretend Xenoblade>Persona 4 tbh!


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5915-which-scheduled-big-name-2015-release-are-you-most-looking
I had DQ8 > P3 and took P4 > Twilight Princess lol without a doubt. Two different monsters there.
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11/11/2015 3:03:52 PM#31
I have a feeling that result isn't in the cards. >_>
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And I didn't think SMB3 being doomed because of an Undertale rally was in the cards but here we are
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Is the tumblr crowd actually sticking around to vote in other matches? The votals seem to be higher by more than I'd expect if it were just people that didn't see the link until today or something.

I actually really hope that's the case to be honest. It could be a pretty great way to inject some uncertainty into these results seemingly without the obnoxious invasion aspects associated with the Draven rally (though to be fair that did bring about some hilarious things I suppose).
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11/11/2015 3:28:58 PM#34
I gotta say, today's matches make me feel a little less confident in SMRPG > Oblivion. GE is doing worse than I expected, and Morrowind is doing better than I expected. GE is basically equal to 2010 MGS4? Not impressed.
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FFT is a top five game, but RE2 is a top one game.

Let RE2Make hype be a thing, please.
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11/11/2015 3:35:59 PM#36
Also, Skyrim/PW1 is still about 5500 votes ahead of where Mario 3/AoE2 was at the same time.
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Without a rally there is nothing really to discuss. And all these matches were not debated at all. Even tomorrow matches aren't debated.
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Anyone else notice that Mass Effect was actually #11 on that list of Tumblr's most popular games of 2014?

http://www.gamezone.com/news/tumblr-reveals-the-video-games-people-reblogged-about-the-most-6312-jrbv

The painful irony!
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11/11/2015 3:46:56 PM#41
pjbasis posted...
SMB3 vs Pokemon was a great discussion


key word "was"
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I thought Diablo II > Goldeneye was a pretty real possibility, although I do have Goldeneye in bracket.

Also on that note, did people expect Goldeneye to be at a level where it was far stronger than 2010 MGS4? I don't know why anyone expected that, but it at least finally explains why there were so many people talking about Goldeneye > Skyrim seriously.
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cyko posted...
Anyone else notice that Mass Effect was actually #11 on that list of Tumblr's most popular games of 2014?

http://www.gamezone.com/news/tumblr-reveals-the-video-games-people-reblogged-about-the-most-6312-jrbv

The painful irony!


too bad it was Mass Effect 3 and not 1 or 2 huh
11/11/2015 3:48:40 PM#44
2010 MGS4 lost to SotC, so that's not a high bar to clear.
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LeonhartFour posted...
2010 MGS4 lost to SotC, so that's not a high bar to clear.


I guess I'd disagree with this also. SotC also almost beat MGS3 during that year. You can call that some kind of bandwagon shenanigans increasing SotC's strength if you want, but that's a theory I've never believed. MGS4 also looked really strong in 2009.
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11/11/2015 3:55:54 PM#46
pyresword posted...
You can call that some kind of bandwagon shenanigans increasing SotC's strength if you want


oh good because it was

MGS2 or MGS4 would not have been close to MGS3 in a direct match (and that's before the SFF)

pyresword posted...
MGS4 also looked really strong in 2009.


you know what didn't look really strong in 2009?

MGS2, which MGS4 was suddenly equal to one year later

And you know what didn't look really strong in 2015?

MGS4.
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LeonhartFour posted...

MGS2 or MGS4 would not have been close to MGS3 in a direct match (and that's before the SFF)


wishful thinking
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11/11/2015 3:58:07 PM#48
wishful thinking is thinking any MGS beats MGS1

MGS3 is and has been pretty clearly the #2 MGS for a long time
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Symphony of the Night to the semi-finals?
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Symphony of the Night to the semi-finals?


division semifinals? sure

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