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That said, will it really help Pokemon? I don't think that's predictable. I mean, from what people have said Tumblr is mostly female. And while I doubt Undertale ralliers have the same demographics as Tumblr overall I'm sure they are totally different from GameFAQs. Younger and much more female.


I would assume the age demographics of Tumblr consists of younger people on average than the regular GameFAQs voters, so that should also be considered on top of Tumblr having a bigger female population.

Super Mario World/Animal Crossing: New Leaf - Tumblr's preference for Animal Crossing was so extreme that it managed to win a bunch of updates against Mario World. There was also a period from 7:15 PM to 8:15 PM where both games went 50/50. The normal GameFAQs voters would be heavily favoring Mario World and was the only reason why Animal Crossing only went 50/50 during that time period.


Damn, I'd assume that neither gane would habe been favoured, even considering Tumblr's younger and female population.

After all, SMW got a remake on the GBA, so the youngsters have probably played it too (at least, many people my age, 98 borns, did. In fact, a big duel for us is SMA4: SMB3 vs SMA2: SMW). As such , age shouldn't really matter. Heck, I'd expect SMW to be benefited, if only for nostalgia (too early for that maybe?)

As for Tumblr being mostly female, that should benefit maybe AC slightly, but not that much. I doubt gamer girls dislike Mario
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As for the whole Undertale thing, I'm pissed ME3 lost but at least that was a result some risk takers predicted. If Undertale gets past fallout then I will actually be concerned for the integrity of the contests. But I think the odds are slim to none. LiS is a perfect Tumblr magnet and didn't win any updates. I think even with a direct Undertale rally it has a lot to overcome. ME3 is MUCH easier to rally against and near impossible to counter rally for. Fallout has the entire gaming community behind it right now and people will be here looking for faqs next week.
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Today's matches also make me want to play a WRPG. Wonder where to start.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
That demographic is mainly composed of teenage girls.

Squall is a bishie.


what I'm saying is New Leaf probably 60/40s FFVIII in this demographic

in other words, Mario World's % isn't nearly as damning as it looks!
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Today's matches also make me want to play a WRPG. Wonder where to start.


Oblivion is excellent and by now sort cheap everywhere and able to be run on pretty low end setups.
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Anyway, I think this match was very ironic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason people were pissed at Mass Effect 3's ending was because the series had a plot that was influenced by the player's choices, and people were expecting the ending to reflect on that, except the ending basically ignored player's choices?

And yet, the entire premise of Undertale is that it is a game where the player's choices influence the plot and decide how the game will end.

It's like Undertale is Mass Effect 3 done right.


People keep saying this but the choices thing really only matters of that game is deep enough for you to care about your choices.

Mass Effect made me a little mad because of how much I cared. Undertale failed to make me happy because I didn't care at all
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
Today's matches also make me want to play a WRPG. Wonder where to start.


Oblivion is excellent and by now sort cheap everywhere and able to be run on pretty low end setups.


Even better, I already own Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout 4, and New Vegas because my brother loves them.

So I go away to watch some MST3K and then it turns out that the first-person games all dropped in %. Dunno what to say.

(not counting Morrowind or Skyrim as first-person games lol me)
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I guess we should start talking about Fallout 4's ending.


Can we not do that :( I won't be finishing the game for months...
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So it looks like Metroid Prime went back to dropping, I'm just going to assume that Samus's typically great morning vote (IIRC) allowed it to stall. Again though, Goldeneye isn't doing much better. Half-Life 2 seems to have stabilized, was Demon's Souls a night game in GOTD?
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
As for the whole Undertale thing, I'm pissed ME3 lost but at least that was a result some risk takers predicted. If Undertale gets past fallout then I will actually be concerned for the integrity of the contests. But I think the odds are slim to none. LiS is a perfect Tumblr magnet and didn't win any updates. I think even with a direct Undertale rally it has a lot to overcome. ME3 is MUCH easier to rally against and near impossible to counter rally for. Fallout has the entire gaming community behind it right now and people will be here looking for faqs next week.


Yeah I've already said my piece but will repost this for agreement. I feel confident that Fallout 3 is strong enough to win.

On the flip side, this is way more of a "fun" fight than Draven because the rally isn't strong enough to just obliterate other good entries. I have no problem with close matches lost to rallies, because that's what makes contests memorable.

And in retrospect, seeing how "weak" the tumblr rally is compared to Draven, it blows my mind yet again that Link was even close to making a comeback against Draven.
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If they stick around and become regular voters in all matches I am more okay with it. If they only show up during Undertale matches like the Reddit crew did for Draven, then it is lame.

Nothing wrong with more voters if they vote all the time like the rest of us.
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So if SMB3 and SMW lose next round due to this rally, will Allen believe that old games are much weaker than new games despite the opposite having actually been shown >_>

Unless for some reason Tumblr likes GTA I can't see FFVIII beating SMW. Tumblr might have a small preference to FFVIII in that match, but I don't think it'll be more than their preference for it relative to GTA which probably won't be enough to overcome their difference in strength.

SMB3 is definitely losing unless the rally never gets off the ground, though.

Tumblr picked FF8 with 70% over VC, and SMW only got 40% vs. Animal Crossing.

Perhaps FF8's strength was just VC weakness. But SMW's showing was godawful. If Tumblr rallies half the votes or more, which it has the *potential* to (keyword potential) then FF8 can win.

I mean I myself have a hard time conceiving anything but SMW domination. But objectively, FF8>SMW is on the table.
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ok, seriously

Animal Crossing: New Leaf would probably beat nearly every game in this contest if decided by tumblr

SMW basically drew THE worst possible opponent there as far as percentage swings go (comparing GameFAQs strength to rally strength)

you're thinking of this as "oh wow SMW put a s*** tier performance against a mediocre game", in reality this is more like "SMW put up 36% against one of the top games"
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Based on the completely stereotypical view of tumblr, I can't see them going for GTA against almost anything.
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Skyrim made it up to 65%~ like I expected, but man, Prime and HL2 tanked hard in percentage.
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Skyrim made it up to 65%~ like I expected, but man, Prime and HL2 tanked hard in percentage.


The hardcore parkour players have woken up.
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Using GotD stats:

Half-Life 2 is projected to get 65.13% against Demon's Souls.
Metroid Prime is projected to get 68.06% against Morrowind.
Assuming Skyrim=Fallout 3, Skyrim is projected to get 73.53% against PW:AA.

So yeah, this is the day where everyone disappoints!
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KamikazePotato posted...
Using GotD stats:

Half-Life 2 is projected to get 65.13% against Demon's Souls.
Metroid Prime is projected to get 68.06% against Morrowind.
Assuming Skyrim=Fallout 3, Skyrim is projected to get 73.53% against PW:AA.

Fallout 3 is likely overrated in those stats due to overperforming against Brawl, and Prime and HL2 are both affected by that as well. I would have been more surprised if Prime and HL2 weren't a little disappointing today.
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So is Skyrim a turd or is PW legit?

I'm going with Skyrim being a turd. Tumblr spillover shouldn't account for that display.
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Well, or you could read the solid like 2 pages of analysis on the subject before asking a useless question.
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is PW legit?


I'm starting to wonder that myself. At first I thought it was absolute fodder that would immediately lose to something even slightly threatening, but maybe it's stronger than we thought. The fact that there are two Ace Attorney games in the contest should've tipped me off.

I dunno. Phoenix Wright vs. Ratchet and Clank? Or vs. Journey? I wonder what would win.
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Based on GOTD stats Skyrim gets 55% on WoW. Meanwhile GoldenEye is looking as strong as MGS4 in Game of the Decade.

GoldenEye's got this.
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Oh yea, I guess raytan won.
Everything on Brawl's quarter of the bracket is looking kind of bloated in the X-stats now though so I would take that WoW stat with a massive grain of salt.
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we get TP vs. PW3 in a couple days. that'll help clarify your thoughts, though it is Zelda and nothing blows out matches like Zelda.
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I hope people screw up their oracle challenge due to Skyrim, Skyrim's just been unlucky, its still beating Metroid Prime.
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Undertale exploding really did it's damage here uh
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Eddv posted...
Well, or you could read the solid like 2 pages of analysis on the subject before asking a useless question.


You're the only one that said anything about Skyrim before I went to bed last night!

The rest of it is just "tumblr spillover". I was expecting Skyrim to get a lot closer to 70% on PW. I guess b8 overestimated TES power. Makes me feel better about SMRPG>Oblivion.
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Undertale exploding really did it's damage here uh


Just start from the latest stat thread.

Or read the key points: the moment the rally started, the moment the match ended, etc.
Xeybozn posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Using GotD stats:

Half-Life 2 is projected to get 65.13% against Demon's Souls.
Metroid Prime is projected to get 68.06% against Morrowind.
Assuming Skyrim=Fallout 3, Skyrim is projected to get 73.53% against PW:AA.

Fallout 3 is likely overrated in those stats due to overperforming against Brawl, and Prime and HL2 are both affected by that as well. I would have been more surprised if Prime and HL2 weren't a little disappointing today.


This. As someone mentioned in an earlier post Prime is projected to get like 38% on Melee going by this, which sounds right.

Morrowind being weaker than DMC3 was rather suspect to begin with. If you plug Prime's number into the GOTD stats it's worth like 49% on Kingdom Hearts, which sounds better than being stronger than stuff like RE4 and Wind Waker.

Although I'd fanboy pick Prime over RE4.
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Skyrim might be doing worse because of another TES in the poll. But I wouldn't take it over GE at this point. I think D2 is legit.
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I'd like to get a straw poll of who's winning the top half of this division.

Skyrim
Goldeneye
Metroid Prime
Half-Life 2
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I mean skyrim is still doubling it.

It's actually kind of difficult to get 75% on a game in this contest unless its an indie game or platformer that people dont care about anymore.

Though it is pretty funny that based on these numbers with no adjustment for strength loss Skyward sword would be trailing Phoenix Wright.
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(I'd probably take Skyrim)


I definitely feel like Skyrim vs Prime is written in the stars, but even despite this performance, I think Prime probably pulls it off.
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Going by GOTD stat manipulation Metroid Prime will narrowly edge out HL2 but is dead in the water against the Skyrim/Goldeneye winner. Argh.
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Ace Attorney has blossomed into a series with over half a dozen games released out here, and has generally been gaining audience over time. And almost everyone who plays it likes it. It's still weak, of course, but stronger than the turbo-fodder it once was. I think it's pretty hard to judge Skyrim as a result, beyond "it won't beat Super Mario 64" but really that should have been obvious from the start.

On the other hand I can't conceive of Phoenix Wright beating Skyward Sword. So it's safe to say Skyrim is at least slightly weaker than those GotY polls made it look.
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In terms of games in this division though I'd probably prefer if Prime lost to Half-Life 2 than if it suffered an SFF loss to Super Mario 64 or especially Twilight Princess.
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I think Half Life 2 is looking pretty good here.
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Skyrim should still be the favourite. I know the board was expecting big things from it, but the game was very unlikely to break 60% on GE007/MP/HL2.

Skyrim is looking like a KH2 tier game, even assuming MGS4 (and Diablo II) has stayed constant since 2010 GoldenEye is still expected to get 42%
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So is Skyrim a turd or is PW legit?

I'm going with Skyrim being a turd. Tumblr spillover shouldn't account for that display.


There was an extra 2000 votes early on which is worth 5% over a match with 35000 votes.

This match is currently still outpacing earlier matches by 5000 votes. Therefore in my opinion there is still a mild tumblr effect happening. And a heavy chunk of votes still going to Phoenix Wright as a result. Let's say around 50% of tumblr votes, being conservative.

So yes it does account for that type of display when Skyrim will end up with about 67-68% when it's all said and done. I expected around 70%-73%. Take out the tumblr votes and it's right in line with that.

It's a turd if you expected it to take out SM64 I guess, but that thinking is completely bonkers.
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MechanicalWall posted...
GranzonEx posted...
is PW legit?


I'm starting to wonder that myself. At first I thought it was absolute fodder that would immediately lose to something even slightly threatening, but maybe it's stronger than we thought. The fact that there are two Ace Attorney games in the contest should've tipped me off.

I dunno. Phoenix Wright vs. Ratchet and Clank? Or vs. Journey? I wonder what would win.


Honestly, I'd be surprised if Phoenix Wright didn't murk those two.

I also think Skyrim/PW is a good situation for the latter to impress in, since these titles likely have unusually low fanbase overlap. It's as "East vs. West" as a match could possibly get, and I absolutely think PW is benefitting from that.
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ok, seriously

Animal Crossing: New Leaf would probably beat nearly every game in this contest if decided by tumblr

SMW basically drew THE worst possible opponent there as far as percentage swings go (comparing GameFAQs strength to rally strength)

you're thinking of this as "oh wow SMW put a s*** tier performance against a mediocre game", in reality this is more like "SMW put up 36% against one of the top games"

And what exactly are you basing Animal Crossing being so strong there on, other than the SMW result itself? I have to be a bit skeptical you would've called it being one of the "top games" before the fact :)
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Phoenix Wright finished ahead of Ratchet & Clank in the GOTD x-stats, and I would have taken Phoenix over Journey even pre-contest.

Skyrim would probably be at about 70% without rallies. GSC was projected to get only about 72% on Phoenix Wright, perhaps our problem was we expected too much out of Skyrim.
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
GranzonEx posted...
So is Skyrim a turd or is PW legit?

I'm going with Skyrim being a turd. Tumblr spillover shouldn't account for that display.


There was an extra 2000 votes early on which is worth 5% over a match with 35000 votes.

This match is currently still outpacing earlier matches by 5000 votes. Therefore in my opinion there is still a mild tumblr effect happening. And a heavy chunk of votes still going to Phoenix Wright as a result. Let's say around 50% of tumblr votes, being conservative.

So yes it does account for that type of display when Skyrim will end up with about 67-68% when it's all said and done. I expected around 70%-73%. Take out the tumblr votes and it's right in line with that.

It's a turd if you expected it to take out SM64 I guess, but that thinking is completely bonkers.


Yeah where did Skyrim > Mario 64 come from?
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I think the most accurate form of results we'll get from this is if we wait until 24 hours have passed and then remove the first 4 hours from that when considering percentages. Not perfect but yeah
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I think half-life 2 will be up against skyrim, not prime. Demons Souls is stronger than morrowind, which is probably getting boosted due to skyrim
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Just to ask who was the favorite in Metroid Prime vs. Half-Life 2 back in GOTD? I'm assuming it was Half-Life 2 due to Prime's screwjob in the 2009 contest.
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Demon's Souls is undoubtedly stronger now than it was in 2010... but it was also "lost to Mega Man 9"-level weak back then. I definitely wouldn't take it over Morrowind even now, and as a result, I can't see HL2 beating Prime.

To be honest, I think the best factor in HL2's favor is that wonky performance HL1 put up on FFX.
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Like I said earlier the GOTD x-stats project Demon's Souls to get 53% on Morrowind, but Demon's Souls is stuck behind Fallout 3's overperformance on Brawl so if you adjust that entire quarter of the bracket based on Metroid Prime's number on Morrowind it's Morrowind 52-48'ing Demon's Souls.

I'd take Morrowind to win that off of gut instinct, plus we've seen no proof that later games in a series boost the earlier game (Half-Life 2 being a little weaker now makes a bit more sense to me than Demon's Souls being stronger anyhow) and games from Demon's Souls's time have generally done badly unless they were against something from the early 2010s. On the other hand Uncharted 2 and The Last of Us doing well, along with the probable nature of Demon's Souls's fanbase, suggests that perhaps Demon's Souls is probably around the same strength if not stronger.
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Demon's Souls is undoubtedly stronger now than it was in 2010... but it was also "lost to Mega Man 9"-level weak back then. I definitely wouldn't take it over Morrowind even now, and as a result, I can't see HL2 beating Prime.

To be honest, I think the best factor in HL2's favor is that wonky performance HL1 put up on FFX.


To be honest, Demon's Souls was worth 49% on Okami, which was worth 48% on Prime. The GOTD stats project Demon's Souls to get 35% on Metroid Prime.
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